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Originally posted by DrDritin
reply to post by believingskeptic
You couldn't be more wrong, this problem is seriously out of control. Men DO fight back but they are ignored. There are countless fathers rights groups. They have members attend congress on fathers' behalf, in fact there are senators who have joined the fight and speak out against the atrocities that family law has become.
When several Republican senators tried to vote against extending the VAWA of 94 it was labeled a war against women.
To say that men aren't trying isn't fair to the hundreds of thousands who are.
Originally posted by DrDritin
Some of your statistics might be slightly off, but the difference between men and women is monumental indeed. You left out probably the most glaring fact, the Violence Against Women Act, which is a sick and disgusting law enacted in 1994 that strips men of their right to due process by having the courts, child welfare system, etc. treat them guilty until proven innocent. More and more women are catching on just how easily they can get custody by making any simple accusation without any proof of said accusation whatsoever. What is worse, family law attorneys are also pushing women to fabricate abuse so they can win their client custody. It doesn't really matter if the man is found guilty of any abuse or not because they spend everything they have defending themselves against bogus accusations and in the end they are too broke to fight and it also sets a precedent in your divorce case because most men are removed from the home and barred from seeing their children until the accusations are deemed "untrue". There is no perjury law against false accusers by the way.
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Originally posted by tw0330
So a man is home taking care of the kids, while the wife is working.
What does society in general think about this? How do you look at a man who says he is a stay at home dad?
What if you were a stay at home dad getting welfare because it cost to much to work?
You have been conditioned well. If I were you I would be more ashamed at the fact that you are unwilling to allow men to stand up for their rights without fear of ridicule. Why is it that when women stand up and voice their concerns people like you will glorify them, but when men do it you vilify them? This is exactly the type of mindset that the OP mentioned.
Originally posted by mayertuck
reply to post by Furbs
So are you asserting that issuing a restraining order (kicking a person out of their home, away from their children without having a trial or them being able to defend himself is violating due process, nor their rights? Just because the supreme court makes a decision, does not mean that it is the right decision, nor that they do not set precedents that violate rights. Last I checked they were human like everyone else and subject to the same logical points of weakness as you or i.
Originally posted by zeeon
I have to agree with the OP on the child bearing rights.
It takes two to tango. Yeah, women carry the baby, but it's OUR's as well.
Women can't get preggers on their own, now can they?
Fathers deserve prenatal rights just as much as women. At the moment of inception, that child is both of theirs, not one or the other.
This methodology also plays into child support. Whomever can provide the best for the childs safety, emotional needs, growth and development, and quality of life should be the parent (in a divorce scenario).
Then the other parent provides child support. That's my opinion. And I grew up in a broken home with a bitch of a mother. I emancipated at 13 to go live with my Dad (I'm male).
Originally posted by Raivan31
As the Lion King Stated "it's the circle of life"
Originally posted by selfharmonise
reply to post by bjarneorn
I want you to print off your response here, put it in a time capsule and bury it so people of the future can see how little we truly progressed as a society in the 20th and 21st centuries.
Behind the computer is the right place for many of the men here who seem terrified of women.
Get out there and meet some of us.
You might even get on with us.edit on 11-6-2012 by selfharmonise because: (no reason given)