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No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, Delegates or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate.
(e) Caucus or Convention. A caucus or convention of a political party is an election if the caucus or convention has the authority to select a nominee for federal office on behalf of that party.
(1) The term “election” means—
(A) a general, special, primary, or runoff election;
(B) a convention or caucus of a political party which has authority to nominate a candidate;
Section 70I. If there is a roll call vote for president at the national convention of a political party, all delegates and alternate delegates whose selection is subject by party rule to the approval of a presidential candidate shall vote on the first such roll call for that presidential candidate unless released by such candidate.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by type0civ
That's done on a state-by-state basis. If a state doesn't have a specific law binding delegates the state party will have the delegate sign an affidavit or swear a legally binding oath that they will vote for the candidate to whom they are pledged. As an example of a state law that binds delegates here is one from Massachusetts.
Section 70I. If there is a roll call vote for president at the national convention of a political party, all delegates and alternate delegates whose selection is subject by party rule to the approval of a presidential candidate shall vote on the first such roll call for that presidential candidate unless released by such candidate.
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Rule 37, Section (b) explicitly recognizes that the vote belongs to the delegate and not the state or even the head of the state's delegation.
“In the balloting, the vote of each state shall be announced by the chairman of such state’s delegation, or his or her designee; and in case the vote of any state shall be divided, the chairman shall announce the number of votes for each candidate, or for or against any proposition; but if exception is taken by any delegate from that state to the correctness of such announcement by the chairman of that delegation, the chairman of the convention shall direct the roll of members of such delegation to be called, and the result shall be recorded in accordance with the vote of the several delegates in such delegation.”
So let's say it happens. Ron Paul delegates and delegates for other candidates who support Ron Paul take advantage of Rule 37 (b) and Rule 38 to vote for Paul during the first round of voting, and Paul actually manages to win a majority of the votes. He's the party's nominee, right? Well, what happens if Romney challenges the results in court, claiming that State law trumps RNC rules? Turns out there's already a SCOTUS precedent on that issue...
As IVN’s Kymberly Bays recently reported, this exact question has already been resolved at the US Supreme Court level: the national party’s rules take precedence over state laws because as a private organization and free association of individuals, a political party has the constitutional right to set its own rules and state laws interfering with that private process violate a political party’s First Amendment rights.
Member of the Senate, or Member of the House of Representatives, DELEGATES or Commissioners from the Territories or possessions, at any general, special, or primary election held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any such candidate.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
Interestingly though those claiming that federal law does unbind delegates didn't even need to go to the CFR to find a convention defined as an election. If we actually look at 2 USC 431 we find:
(1) The term “election” means—
(A) a general, special, primary, or runoff election;
(B) a convention or caucus of a political party which has authority to nominate a candidate;
(c) Primary election. A primary election is an election which meets one of the following conditions:
(1) An election which is held prior to a general election, as a direct result of which candidates are nominated, in accordance with applicable State law, for election to Federal office in a subsequent election is a primary election.
(2) An election which is held for the expression of a preference for the nomination of persons for election to the office of President of the United States is a primary election.
(3) An election which is held to elect delegates to a national nominating convention is a primary election.
The core of US federal laws are contained in the Code of Laws of the United States of America (USC). These are the general and permanent laws that are passed by Congress. It is composed of 51 Titles that organize laws into similar categories.
There is also the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR). This contains what is known as administrative laws. In order for a federal regulation to go into effect it must have an enabling statute.
The reason this is done is because federal regulations are not created by Congress. Instead they are created by executive agencies to further define laws passed by Congress.
For example, if Congress passed a law that prohibited excessive amounts of mercury in any body of water in the US, the EPA would then create a regulation defining the term "excessive amounts of mercury" in relation to this law. The regulation only applies to its enabling statute.
Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by avatard
The motto of ATS is deny ignorance. I am simply denying ignorance by pointing out the flaws in the logic of Paul's supporters. The reality is that federal law does not unbind delegates. If you don't want to accept reality then maybe ATS is not the site for you.
Originally posted by manna2
I pointed out you're cherry picking just throwing spit balls and then you claim others are ignorant when you had an ignorant opinion just a few days ago. Jean Paul points out what you are doing quite clearly.
What's more, we will send several hundred additional supporters to Tampa who, while bound to Romney, believe in our ideas of liberty, constitutional government, and a common-sense foreign policy.
And while this total is not enough to win the nomination, it puts us in a tremendous position to grow our movement and shape the future of the GOP!