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7) Economic Concerns
Moneychangers and their turned tables. Jesus first act when entering the temple was to turn the tables. A financial table is a balance sheet. Where do we fit God into the balance of this equation? Positive or negative?
26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:13-30).
Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
The debunkers are out in full force I see.
Be forewarned:
You're not going to convince anybody to change their mind.
Nor will they be able to convince you.
edit on 6-6-2012 by EvilSadamClone because: (no reason given)
26 But his master answered, ‘Evil and lazy slave! So you knew that I harvest where I didn’t sow and gather where I didn’t scatter? 27 Then you should have deposited my money with the bankers, and on my return I would have received my money back with interest! 28 Therefore take the talent from him and give it to the one who has ten. 29 For the one who has will be given more, and he will have more than enough. But the one who does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 30 And throw that worthless slave into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’” (Matthew 25:13-30).
Here we have an example of a slave owner that harvests where is didn't sew and gathers where he didn't scatter and chastises his slave for not putting his money in the bank to earn interest! This is stealing in my book and his advice of banking goes against Jewish law!
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Let me understand here, you wish to spark discussion on Conspiracy and Myth on ATS.....does that mean we are going to discuss the known truth of these topics on the one hand, and the Myths about a matter on the other hand? You know what will happen. For those who are into a "belief" they can never ever believe anything else, even if proven and showed to them, they will just label it with one of their many names for what they consider to be evil.
I will wait awhile, then come back for some reading and comment. Good post!
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by EnochWasRight
That is a completely different parable, with a completely different moral. You totally sidestepped my question about the parable that IS in question.
There is nothing to say that the land on which the master did not sew or scatter is his, but even that is beside the point. The master gave each slave money. When he returned the slave that gave him back the same money was chastised for not "putting the money in the bank to earn interest."
It appears to me that Jesus is endorsing the banking system of Wall Street. Tell me how I'm wrong about this, don't give me run around about different parable about equity and equal pay.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
Originally posted by windword
reply to post by EnochWasRight
That is a completely different parable, with a completely different moral. You totally sidestepped my question about the parable that IS in question.
There is nothing to say that the land on which the master did not sew or scatter is his, but even that is beside the point. The master gave each slave money. When he returned the slave that gave him back the same money was chastised for not "putting the money in the bank to earn interest."
It appears to me that Jesus is endorsing the banking system of Wall Street. Tell me how I'm wrong about this, don't give me run around about different parable about equity and equal pay.
Wall Street and the banking industry are designed around the Federal Reserve. They have forced the Carbon to be used as a Petrol Dollar Ponzie Scheme. The Fed receives the cash flow from the Carbon trading around the world. All purchases of petrol must be done in American dollars. By the way, Carbon has 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons and is the mark of mankind. Aside from this, why do they do this? Follow the money. The banks, government and wallstreet investors in the form of corporations will take loans and grants from the overall fund. They then use this money to purchase cheap goods from China and purchase free oil. They then sell these products back to the American people and the world as cheap goods and services. The original money does not get paid back, but is skillfully transferred to the people as debt. The worst of this comes from the Government. They give money away to banks, corporations and foreign entities as bribes for compliance. The debt still goes to the people.
Is this what you were referring to?
The people are comparable to the land owner. The workers are taking what is given and then some. Who gets the debt? God condemned the one who sat on the investment. The moneychangers are not sitting on the investment at all. They are taking reward that is not earned. They create a debt that is then transferred to the people. This is why we are 17 trillion in the hole.
The money is put to good causes at times. We build roads and infrastructure. Off the top, the workers graft off billions for themselves. Reward that is taken causes a debt. Suffering work creates reward for the land owner and the slaves. Both benefit. God was making the point.
The workers are not the ones creating debt. Money equals that amount of energy needed to achieve a goal. Work is the productivity focused and skilled energy creates.
If a wealthy man wants a wall, he asks the mason, "How much will it cost?" The mason calculates the cost of supplies and estimates the labor and comes up with an amount. An agreement is made, a wall is built and supplies and labor are paid for accordingly. The only conceivable debt is the one incurred by the rich man who desired something he couldn't make on his own. In the meantime, families are fed and a nice wall is sheltering his property.
Not the point of the parable. The point seems to be that God likes to make a profit, and interest bearing accounts are one way to do it.
Again, you can't blame the overspending of today's political arenas on the lowly worker. In the parable the workers were slaves, meaning their reward was no more than room and board, maybe clothing.
This parable is where the song, "This Little Light of Mine Comes From." The message, in reality, is about not hiding your talents under a bushel out of fear of rejection from God. But, it is painfully obvious that TPTB have tampered with the scripture and put words into Jesus' mouth to steer the masses into believing that Jesus supports the money handlers, when other scripture points to the fact he didn't.
He sees the sun at night. That's light from the darkness. Free agents with big contracts. It's all about the money. Taking is the aim. He rewrites history. He'll go to grave before he becomes a follower. He reveals his confusion. His God is gain and greed, clear as it can be. The lyrics reveal the fruit. Delusion all the way. Life is not what we can do, it's what has been done for us.
Originally posted by EnochWasRight
reply to post by windword
Not the point of the parable. The point seems to be that God likes to make a profit, and interest bearing accounts are one way to do it.
Again, you can't blame the overspending of today's political arenas on the lowly worker. In the parable the workers were slaves, meaning their reward was no more than room and board, maybe clothing.
This parable is where the song, "This Little Light of Mine Comes From." The message, in reality, is about not hiding your talents under a bushel out of fear of rejection from God. But, it is painfully obvious that TPTB have tampered with the scripture and put words into Jesus' mouth to steer the masses into believing that Jesus supports the money handlers, when other scripture points to the fact he didn't.
You are implying that God takes. Instead, he gives and expects us to do the same. Only suffering for reward can create reward. Taking creates debt. The evidence is with God and what the Bible says about giving and taking. We verify by seeing all the debt in the world. A land owner hires servants. A tyrant forces labor after taking freedom and ownership away from the slave. God is not like this.
Is God served by human hands? Is he interested in silver or gold? We can let him answer:
Acts 17
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. 25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’
29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
This parable isn't about a reward. It isn't even about suffering for a reward. It is about not bringing in a profit for the master!