Let's put it to bed:

Originally posted by HamrHeed
Kolya I find it hard to believe you studied anywhere if you're asking these questions.
I already laid out the inconsistencies with hitler being a christian and you idiots attack me.

No, I asked about Christmas - in reply, you're saying you already proved Christmas et al show Hitler wasn't a Christian. That's not what I asked: nor did you even touch the other question about Islam (and before you say it, quoting Handschar unit figures is NOT an answer to that question).

HI, just adding to the debate...from Wikipedia;

Hitler attended a Catholic school in an 11th-century Benedictine cloister, the pulpit of which bore a stylized swastika symbol on the coat of arms of Theodorich von Hagen, a former abbot.[18] The eight-year-old Hitler took singing lessons, sang in the church choir, and even entertained thoughts of becoming a priest.[

this information was written in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is a non-fiction book by William L. Shirer chronicling the general history of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945."

Though it seems Hitler attended Catholic school and would have probably been raised Catholic since he was enrolled in there by his parents...

and before you say it.. yes Wikipedia can be edited but not the book which was published years ago.

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bro.. i dont think you are destroying anything

Originally posted by Kolya

Originally posted by HamrHeed
Kolya I find it hard to believe you studied anywhere if you're asking these questions.
I already laid out the inconsistencies with hitler being a christian and you idiots attack me.

No, I asked about Christmas - in reply, you're saying you already proved Christmas et al show Hitler wasn't a Christian. That's not what I asked: nor did you even touch the other question about Islam (and before you say it, quoting Handschar unit figures is NOT an answer to that question).

DECEMBER 25TH IS A PAGAN HOLIDAY, NOT THE BIRTH OF JESUS.
MUSLIMS FOUGHT WITH HITLER, YET IT'S IGNORED BY "SCHOLARS"

What's so hard to understand? I don't care if you despise the jew jesus

That Shirer book is a must for anyone interested in the Nazi era, by the way - as is Berlin Diary, which is the compiled first-hand accounts of Shirer's experiences at the time.

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
HI, just adding to the debate...from Wikipedia;

Hitler attended a Catholic school in an 11th-century Benedictine cloister, the pulpit of which bore a stylized swastika symbol on the coat of arms of Theodorich von Hagen, a former abbot.[18] The eight-year-old Hitler took singing lessons, sang in the church choir, and even entertained thoughts of becoming a priest.[

Watch the nazi parades. They are a celebration of hitler as god, or he claims, a nordic god.
Why do they light torches and carry around reversed swastikas? It's idiotic to claim anything but occult worship
this information was written in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is a non-fiction book by William L. Shirer chronicling the general history of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945."

Though it seems Hitler attended Catholic school and would have probably been raised Catholic since he was enrolled in there by his parents...

and before you say it.. yes Wikipedia can be edited but not the book which was published years ago.

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Right, I'll say it again: That is not what I asked.
I asked: What did you mean in the Original Post (let's see if it's just a problem of you not knowing what OP meant) about Islam, in light of the 'Hitler = Christian' idea. Not what Hitler did with Muslims, what you meant about people seeing Islam differently under the 'lie' about Hitler.

I thought that Hitler didn't want religion.... well. he wanted them to join his (I can't remember the word.) something like. Union. or workforce. but they wouldn't comply. He didn't think it was bad, he just wanted to control it.

and I believe that Hitler believed in mostly a Protestant belief.

Wait, wait. I think I get what the original OP was trying to get across.

Hitler was a Douche. He was not a Christian in the purest sense. He occasional dabbled in the occult. He celebrated Christmas on December 25th, which in the OP's opinion is not a appropriate day to celebrate Christmas. Hitler may or may not have tolerated other faiths. To be a Nazi was to not be Christian. The OP is an angry person.

I think I got it all. I still don't see any new info or an argument(if one is even trying to be made).

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Yes I'm aware of the spear in question. The only problem with the story is the spear can only be assumed to be a holy relic.
From what I have learned over the years is hitler was a christian. At least to him he was and he believed it strongly. The fact that he mixed in other ideas and beliefs doesn't change his core beliefs. It also doesn't change the fact he did alot of destruction based on his understanding or version of that faith. Alot of people seem to have a problem with the idea of his faith and I really don't understand why. Dude had issues thats a fact and his faith actually guided his distorted ideals.

So I guess it will boil down to your definition of christian. In my eyes he was. But, it has no bearing on any other christian and their beliefs only his. Trying to deny his beliefs is simply distorting the history you are arguing about. Pointing out that there is much more to his background is fine because many are unaware but it doesn't change the rest.

Originally posted by drivers1492
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Yes I'm aware of the spear in question. The only problem with the story is the spear can only be assumed to be a holy relic.
From what I have learned over the years is hitler was a christian. At least to him he was and he believed it strongly. The fact that he mixed in other ideas and beliefs doesn't change his core beliefs. It also doesn't change the fact he did alot of destruction based on his understanding or version of that faith. Alot of people seem to have a problem with the idea of his faith and I really don't understand why. Dude had issues thats a fact and his faith actually guided his distorted ideals.

So I guess it will boil down to your definition of christian. In my eyes he was. But, it has no bearing on any other christian and their beliefs only his. Trying to deny his beliefs is simply distorting the history you are arguing about. Pointing out that there is much more to his background is fine because many are unaware but it doesn't change the rest.

LOL
HOLY FUK
Ok hitler was a christian even though he blasphemed his way through life, especially the latter end. Are you happy now? I conformed to the official story, as to not get in the way of your liberal crusade against jesus?
Better?

Originally posted by Kolya
reply to post by HamrHeed

 

Right, I'll say it again: That is not what I asked.
I asked: What did you mean in the Original Post (let's see if it's just a problem of you not knowing what OP meant) about Islam, in light of the 'Hitler = Christian' idea. Not what Hitler did with Muslims, what you meant about people seeing Islam differently under the 'lie' about Hitler.

Jibberish. Just leave

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Anyone would think you're my sockpuppet if you're going to start posting to me what I'm meant to post to you. You don't even KNOW what you meant about people turning to Islam, do you? Three pages of people having to coax your own theory from you, and we come down to: "We all know Hitler at least thought/pretended he was a Christian, but he wasn't very Christ-like" and everything else you've either forgotten the meaning of or you never knew to begin with.

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
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Substitute thought for taught.

ETA What day would you suggest as being appropriate for "celebrating Christmas" then? 1st of January? 1st of April? Maybe the 24th of June?

edit on 6/6/12 by LightSpeedDriver because: ETA

I would NEVER pick a day but it's well known that the 25th of december isn't yeshuas birthday. This event was marked by the romans, not by christians.
And the sabbath isn't sunday

I have to laugh because some of my family members are "blind" Christians. They absolutely believe what is written in the Bible and don't even mention the truth about Christmas being the "Pagan Winter Festival". I have one niece who won't even talk to me because I pointed out that the words” under God” were inserted in to the pledge of allegiance by Eisenhower. She adamantly claimed that the pledge was written that way.... but it was not….

Getting back on topic;

Germany was clearly a majority Protestant and Catholic when Hitler came to power. I do think Hitler's beliefs were malleable to the need or situation at hand. He is more like our current politicians than I would care to admit. However, Hitler was arrested as a Socialist in 1919 which is a political ideology and not a religious one.

But I believe religion is more a societal control theory then socialism could easily be included as a religion. Hitler then moved into fascism and into neo-fascism from what I see.

I can't compare modern Christians with Hitler but sometimes there are similarities in their totalitarianism thought patterns.

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please explain which god he was reffering to in Mein Kampf and speeches ?

Originally posted by Kolya
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Anyone would think you're my sockpuppet if you're going to start posting to me what I'm meant to post to you. You don't even KNOW what you meant about people turning to Islam, do you? Three pages of people having to coax your own theory from you, and we come down to: "We all know Hitler at least thought/pretended he was a Christian, but he wasn't very Christ-like" and everything else you've either forgotten the meaning of or you never knew to begin with.

What are you asking about islam? I made it clear that the nzis had common ground with some of them, not all.
I'm sure you know all about the new scheme. Ignore islam and blast all religion.
So ask clearly

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Oh for fu- I'm going to try this one more time, and if that doesn't work I'm going to have to start drawing diagrams.

Originally posted by HamrHeed
Hitler wasn't a christian, no matter how many people wish it so. It's a shame this crap was taught in the school system we paid for with tax. Now we have genocidal morons running around, and somehow they'd rather relate with the muslims ( some who joined hitlers ss)
It's so crazy how hypocritical the "new left" has become

Here is your original post. In bold in the part I've wanted clarification on for TWO PAGES. "Who" is relating with the muslims? "Relating" how? Why does Hitler = Christian make "them" "relate" with Muslims?

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
HI, just adding to the debate...from Wikipedia;

Hitler attended a Catholic school in an 11th-century Benedictine cloister, the pulpit of which bore a stylized swastika symbol on the coat of arms of Theodorich von Hagen, a former abbot.[18] The eight-year-old Hitler took singing lessons, sang in the church choir, and even entertained thoughts of becoming a priest.[

Watch the nazi parades. They are a celebration of hitler as god, or he claims, a nordic god.
Why do they light torches and carry around reversed swastikas? It's idiotic to claim anything but occult worship
this information was written in "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich is a non-fiction book by William L. Shirer chronicling the general history of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945."

Though it seems Hitler attended Catholic school and would have probably been raised Catholic since he was enrolled in there by his parents...

and before you say it.. yes Wikipedia can be edited but not the book which was published years ago.

I guess you have lost since you have to repost my quotes with your own disinformation..

LMFAO

Originally posted by HamrHeed

Originally posted by drivers1492
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Yes I'm aware of the spear in question. The only problem with the story is the spear can only be assumed to be a holy relic.
From what I have learned over the years is hitler was a christian. At least to him he was and he believed it strongly. The fact that he mixed in other ideas and beliefs doesn't change his core beliefs. It also doesn't change the fact he did alot of destruction based on his understanding or version of that faith. Alot of people seem to have a problem with the idea of his faith and I really don't understand why. Dude had issues thats a fact and his faith actually guided his distorted ideals.

So I guess it will boil down to your definition of christian. In my eyes he was. But, it has no bearing on any other christian and their beliefs only his. Trying to deny his beliefs is simply distorting the history you are arguing about. Pointing out that there is much more to his background is fine because many are unaware but it doesn't change the rest.

LOL
HOLY FUK
Ok hitler was a christian even though he blasphemed his way through life, especially the latter end. Are you happy now? I conformed to the official story, as to not get in the way of your liberal crusade against jesus?
Better?

Ok.. I was kinda with you till this. I was thinking I might be starting to understand but this is just ridiculous. I dont see anyone here on a crusade against jesus. All I see here are people saying that he might have been a christian in background alone. I dont think anyone is saying he contacted the pope daily or went to church and prayed for a good outcome on the next round to go through the gas chamber. Fact remains that he was obviously somewhat raised in church and he probably owned a bible. Doesnt mean he was an upstanding member of the church. Why is that so threatening? If religion cannot stand on its own without people defending it tooth and nail then whats the point? I guess I just dont get why this is so threatening to you. Bad people do bad things.

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ok wow.... Well I have no personal crusade against jesus nor do I have any wish or need for you to conform to anything. You were expressing your thoughts, opinions and knowledge just like I was which is the purpose of a participating in a thread. I don't understand the anger or frustration but I can overlook that no problem. My primary point is only hitler believed in the christian faith. If he misunderstood it or whatever it was he did believe and thought he was right. To say otherwise isn't supported by the facts we have. But in the same breath to ignore the other things you have pointed out is just as bad.