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Surgeon: Remove Kidneys for Transplant Before Donor's Death

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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:03 PM
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Back in the 1970's I remember my political science professor telling us how in China, people were getting arrested on groundless charges and shot in the head (without trial or a hearing) so their organs could be sold. Well, we very well might be headed down the same path. Money talks and kills.

You can't trust the government at all and the thought of them running healthcare is sickening. That this point in time, I doubt if the U.S. is any less corrupt than China. I shudder to think what 4 more years of Obama would do to us.




posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Excellent point. Once they run healthcare, you can bet they will collect DNA samples from everybody. That way the elite will know which "farm animals" to keep around. The rest can be killed off easily with deadly vaccines which will be mandatory or else.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:17 PM
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If you are not insured I don't think you can be on organ transplant list.

If this is truly the case No Get...No Give...I am not an organ donor and my family would NEVER donate my organs..well unless there was some great amount of money involved...

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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Neopan100
If you are not insured I don't think you can be on organ donor list.

If this is truly the case No Get...No Give...I am not an organ donor and my family would NEVER donate my organs..well unless there was some great amount of money involved...
There isn't enough money imo. I don't think that health insurance is a requirement to be a donor though.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:39 PM
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What is "ethical" in this day and age of modern science?

Is a doctor hooking someone up on life support just so they can make more money off of the "victims" insurance ethical?

Is having a person volunteer their organs upon their death ethical, when it is illegal for us to sell our organs and benefit financially while we are at least alive and able to use that money; yet it is okay for the doctors and hospitals to make a fortune off of their kindness to save a persons life using an organ from a person who might have lived a little bit more comfortably because of selling their organs before their death?

Don't get me wrong. I highly respect someone who donates their organs to save anothers life. I however, question the motive of our medical corporations as to their sincerety of actually be there to save lives versus making money. Not saying they should do it for free......

My question stems from me thinking about when I die and instead of my family spending money foolishly for a ceremony that means absolutely nothing to me, (you see, I will already be dead) and will just funnel money into an industry that makes money off of peoples emotions and traditions, I really could use the money and sell my organs, tissues, etc etc and enjoy it while I am alive.

I could care less, what happens to my physical shell, when I am dead. Being that the medical AND pharma companies make a ton of money, why is it so horrendous for someone to be payed for their organs while they live, and then the body can be used for science as they choose once the person dies?

Just throwing that one out there. Seems to be a slippery slope no matter how you look at it, I guess......



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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This is a really bad idea. You see, the patient has to be alive in the first place for organ harvest. As it stands, right now folks are being claimed as brain dead that really aren't. I have known this all along, and recently, Readers digest even did a story about it. Patients responding to the pain of having organs cut out of them. You won't catch me having donor listed on my drivers license..

Here is a perfect example. My co-workers brother had encephalitis. The docs declared him brain dead, and asked her to donate his organs. She asked me what she should do. I told her, no way, the brain has a way of repairing itself. So she listened to me. A month later he walked out of his hospital room and went home to his family. We later found out that a major big wigs wife at that hospital needed an organ or she would have died.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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I agree with your post and believe we should not do any of this without permission of the organ donor. Some people say to not sign up as an organ donor because if you get seriously hurt and into a wrong situation it could facilitate the decision to not save your life. I doubt this is common but Ive heard it being talked about from many different sources.
Im hoping that science will continue to advance and allow us to grow our own organs with our own dna samples. I know we are well on our way but unfortunately I believe, with most of the earth already struggling to survive, most of us wont see this technology. Maybe if you win the lotto!
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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 04:51 PM
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This doesn't even make sense logically. If there's a shortage of kidneys, how is taking them earlier going to make any difference in the long run? I can see that maybe in certain circumstances someone can take a kidney a little early if needed, but this isn't going to create more donated kidneys.

Peace



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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You dont have to be dead to donate a kidney. You have two. You only need one. Plenty of people have donated kidneys and lived to tell the tale.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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I wonder if I could sell stuff ahead of time. Make money now and my family doesnt have to worry about disposal of my remains as they will all have a predetermined destination.
Kind of like a reverse mortgage.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 08:36 PM
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I see what you are saying but at the moment this is not the case and organs can only be removed after death. so there is no danger in registering as a donor imo. If they revise this then you can always take yourself of the register, organ donors save plenty of lives and it is a very sensible thing to do as you can't use them once you are dead so you might as well donate them to someone who would otherwise die. Just imagine if your wife or children or other family members needed a transplant and you had nobody in the family who were good matches for them, how would you feel if there were no organs available due to lack of donors and say your daughter/son or wife died because of this. I'd hope that thinking about this would make you think differently maybe, but then again it's your body and you absolutely have the right to decide for yourself. My point though is that at the moment they can only remove them if you die so why would you not want to be a donor and then just un-register if they change it so that they can remove them under other conditions?

Anyway soon organs will be grown relatively cheaply in labs (unless they charge stupid money for these life saving organs) It is really sad that there are not enough donors out there as it is. For most of us we probably don't think about it, but if suddenly one of your loved ones was in need of a transplant and there were no suitable donors in the family I think that it would soon change our opinions on the matter.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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man i need to goto the DMV and get that # removed lol



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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It states why in the article. Waiting for death to happen, some 1/3rd of the kidneys die.

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I know the thing is about kidneys, but with the ability to donate a liver lobe, and the liver growing back, why aren't we making for more of a push for liver transplants right now?



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:55 PM
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This is what scares the crap out of me being an organ donor.

My family was told my father was brain dead after going 21min w/out oxygen to the brain and we were asked if we wanted to pull the plug. We said no thank God because 3 days later he came to and he walked out of the hospital with only shor-term memory loss.

Can anyone tell me if it's possible to get your name taken off the donor list? I'm calling the DMV this week to find out since its on my Driver's License. I'll post back here tomorrow with an answer.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:19 PM
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Wow! Talk about an eye opening thread. This is just the kind of thing that has haunted me since 2005. That year, my brother had a heart attack out on the road. He drove 18 wheelers. The hospital was unable to reach us until late in the evening, after they had performed a quad bypass on him. We hit the road heading to Carbondale, Illinois from Texas. Halfway there, the hospital called to let us know he had been transferred to St. Louis, Missouri for a possible heart transplant.

15 hours after leaving home, we arrived at the hospital to find my brother on every kind of life support system I could imagine. The doctors and staff began telling us there was too much damage to his organs for a chance at survival. After hours of talking and praying, we decided to remove him from life support. He passed quickly, and within 15 minutes we were swarmed by a team of professionals talking about donating his organs. WTH?

What happened to the "too much damage to his organs for a chance at survival" spiel we had been given upon arrival? Dear God, had I been tricked into something? I may never know, but they did not get what they wanted, and I still warn friends and family to be suspicious of doctors trying to rush the process of death. Their intentions are not always honorable.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Can we have your liver?
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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:35 PM
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I use to work as a Medic. I will never forget a female that had been in a car accident, and was being transported and kept alive and taken to Charlotte, NC so that they could harvest her organs. I can still picture this female in my head. Technology exist now that we can grow organs from a sample..why is this not being used?? I worry about organ trafficking! I am not a donor and never will be! I feel they are letting other humans die just to harvest organs! In other words, if someone is a donor, they are not going to do everything they can do to save them! I do not trust the Health Care Field Period and never will!! DMV in this country has a site you can look to find Organ donors..go figure..what is next??



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 06:11 AM
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Originally posted by clintdelicious
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I see what you are saying but at the moment this is not the case and organs can only be removed after death. so there is no danger in registering as a donor imo. If they revise this then you can always take yourself of the register, organ donors save plenty of lives and it is a very sensible thing to do as you can't use them once you are dead so you might as well donate them to someone who would otherwise die. Just imagine if your wife or children or other family members needed a transplant and you had nobody in the family who were good matches for them, how would you feel if there were no organs available due to lack of donors and say your daughter/son or wife died because of this. I'd hope that thinking about this would make you think differently maybe, but then again it's your body and you absolutely have the right to decide for yourself. My point though is that at the moment they can only remove them if you die so why would you not want to be a donor and then just un-register if they change it so that they can remove them under other conditions?

Anyway soon organs will be grown relatively cheaply in labs (unless they charge stupid money for these life saving organs) It is really sad that there are not enough donors out there as it is. For most of us we probably don't think about it, but if suddenly one of your loved ones was in need of a transplant and there were no suitable donors in the family I think that it would soon change our opinions on the matter.
Let me give you a scenario that might clarify things for you.
George Soros needs a new liver. You are out partying one night and get into a traffic accident. Soros has people on the lookout for matching livers, they discover that you may be a good match and a registered donor; he then has a quick "consultation" with the er doc. The doc in the er sends you to surgery for injuries you received in the accident(he receives 100K finders fee), the surgeon was "unable to save you" and you "die from your injuries"(he gets a million and the rest of the team also gets hush money). Soros gets his new liver.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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Nice, one stop shopping for the rich. How hard is it to arrange a traffic accident when you need that liver or something?



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 06:20 AM
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No Organs can be taken from your body without Family or your permission.

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