Originally posted by DragonFire1024
Also...instead of pointing out hate, war, more hate and more war, why not mention the good things the Koran says? So far, I have not seen you make any attempt to do so and in my mind that sounds like you have an agenda...

Perhaps you can?

If nothing else, you might actually introduce yourself to studying what is in the Koran rather than just assuming much.

While you are at it, you might Google the meaning of the the term 'abrogation' in the context of the Koran.

... after reading posts here on ats last few years, i thought CIA (or mossad) is behind the starts of most of the conflicts in mid east countries... did i miss something?

Originally posted by Citybig
Because we all know just how peaceful Australians are, especially when they are launching ethnic cleansing to steal a land they have no rights over.

In other news, what exactly was the point of this thread?

There's a theory going around that the ORIGINAL aboriginals that were here were forced down to Tassy by the second wave that arrived a bit later. Given, the first settlers in Tassy finished the job that the second wave of aboriginals started but your comments about ethnic cleansing are a tad more complicated than you make out. If you're one of those "poor hard done by aboriginals" that feel they have a raw deal, how about putting in a bit of effort and say, help yourself. I am sure every Aussie that has made something of themselves didn't wait around for a handout, and if any aboriginal feels that europeans shouldn't be here, I invite them to strip off all of the "modern clothes" and GIVE UP all of the modern technology they are using and go back to their own culture. They can't have it both ways. But this isn't about peaceful Aussies, it's about peaceful muslims. So here is an email that I received. Very interesting

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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD Australians? This is certainly 'food-for-thought' .

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish. And send it on to everyone. Maybe this is why our Australian Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities.

Can a good Muslim be a good Australian?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews .

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America the great Satan, Australia and the rest of the free world.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Australians [or good Englishmen or good Americans!]. Call it what you wish, it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country [ and yours] and our future.

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within. SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

Originally posted by DragonFire1024
What a disgrace this thread is. Religion was created to combat hate, not to spread it. Since the Crusades, the Christian church has hijacked the meaning of religion. I am sorry, but you are not going to convince me that Jesus Christ created Christianity by hating homosexuals. Islam wasn't created to blow stuff up. Anyone who takes their religion out of context in order to hate is a hypocrite. It's ok for the religious followers to break their own rules so it suits their needs and their religion, and they don't care who they hurt in the process. But if anyone else, who doesn't follow any religion, these organizations think its ok to bash them, hate on them, CONDONE violence and to force their beliefs on everyone else. I don't believe that's what religion stands for and never has.

With that said, this thread really sounds like it was created to do one thing: Bash Islam...grow up people seriously.

I haven't said anything bad about Islam, nor any other religion, but fact is fact most of todays wars are Islam motivated. Thats all I have been saying, and I'll leave it up to others to make what they want from it.

I have a theory.

Lemme try to phrase this without any bigotry or insults - I'm really trying to talking theory here, a hypothesis on religions - without saying anything in general about the members of those cultures and religions.

INTRO: The Chinese sage Lao-Tzu was thinking like... comparing them to a primal unity with what you could loosely call Natural Law. So Taoists (and some of the Greek pre-Socratic philosophers) maintained we all came from a greater harmony with higher powers, intuition and telepathy.
From this POV, the Sage thought it was a pretty bad sign if people held morals and honesty in high regard. Because that meant the opposite of morals and honestly had to exist already or at the same time - treachery, lies, and immorality. Otherwise they may not even have a WORD FOR IT....

So let's do this as a theoretical exercise, grab the first words that come to you about the stereotyped advertising or describing of any religion. (Mark my words, stereotyped, because any person belonging to these faiths can be and is frequently on a different path of spirituality, or they may just share a fleeting sympathy based on culture)

And check whether it is more common that it is precisely this that the followers frequently infringe - or else they would not have it so important.

Islam is the Religion of Peace. So the OP says. So what's the opposite of peace in many followers: war and violence. Hmmmm. There IS some truth to that - even though many people and nations Islamic I know are actually sometimes more peaceful than others.

Christianity is the Religion of Love. Hmmmmm.... Talk about hatred and discrimination in the history of Christian cultures. Although everyday Christian mystics can really exude love.

Judaism is the Religion of the Law. Or the Covenant... You go figure this one out, I can't, but perhaps lawlessness could be found in some cultural phenomena usually associated with Judaic history. Meddling subtly with the more direct aspect?

Anyway, this is a theoretical rant from a logic called "dialectic" in ancient Greece and it was part of Daoism in China. (And later Ch'an and Zen).

Shamanism is about power. So you need weakness to go with it.

Get my logic?

Buddhism has no such buzzword. At times it is not even a religion.

Originally posted by Muckster
For the simple minded and lazy this thread must be a revelation. Anyone with half a brain and a little willingness to investigate these "Islamic" conflicts will see this thread for what it is... Divisive cheery picking born out of bigotry!

If two Muslim guys get into a fight in the street regarding the price of apples, does that make it an Islamic fight?!?! Of course not! It’s a fight over apples.

Religion is the easiest thing to use an excuse for war and therefore the easiest thing to blame for war. But it is often just that... an excuse. Peel away any religious rhetoric and you will normally find that good old fashion human greed is behind it. Anyone who thinks that a world without religion would mean far less war is completely deluded and has no idea about the human psyche.

Peace

Oh really?
Most of the conflicts involving Islam such as the insurgencies are being waged by extremist Islamists who want to install sharia as law of the land.
Other conflicts such as the Syrian uprising involve "civil war" in Islam with the Sunnis fighting the Shias.

Religion is the cause of these wars...

These threads come around like clockwork don't they?

Instead of listing what Islamic people are fighting, why not try researching into who started many of those conflicts? Because they certainly weren't all started by them.