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Islam the Religion of Peace? I don't think so...

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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 10:35 PM
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Address my post first, You are not even aware of the five pillars of islam,

Now please State the five pillars of islam, show your sources also



PS: No I am not claiming anything. Please show my quote where I claimed anything.
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:01 PM
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Shahadah
Salat: Prayer
Zakāt
Sawm of Ramadan: Fasting
Hajj: Pilgrimage to Mecca
Twelvers anyone?
I think that completes my home work Mr. Profesional sir

I don’t think people are interested in being quizzed on the brain washing sections of the Qumran. Obviously, you must have spent some time pouring over the text. I don’t recommend anyone read that stuff to much, testimony of a registered psychiatrists claims you will not be mentally healthy

I think what this thread is about the peace of Islam. What tour of peace would be complete without the sixth pillar of Islam being mentioned?
www.muslimfact.com... articles-about-islam-and-terror/jihad-the-sixth-deadly-pillar-of-islam.shtml

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Jihad: the Sixth Deadly Pillar of Islam!
By Don Boys, Ph.D.
published Feb 19, 2007
When Muslims read this, they will disagree, antagonistically reminding us that there are five pillars of Islam but they are not telling the truth. Many Americans are familiar with the Five Pillars; however, no one is talking about the Sixth Pillar of Islam because of political correctness.

The Sixth Pillar of Islam is Jihad or holy fighting and this is an obligation for every Muslim on earth! No exceptions. The politicians, pundits, preachers, and professors who deny this are all wrong. Islam is a dangerous, deceptive, and deadly religion. I can easily prove it and eagerly await rebuttals from anyone.
My Noble Koran was published in Saudi Arabia by the “King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur’an, Madinah, K.S.A.” You can’t get any more official than that. A footnote on page 39 explains surah 2:190 where every Muslim on earth gets his marching orders to participate in holy fighting and is clearly commanded that no one but Allah is to be worshipped. That fact has not been published in America to my knowledge.
Read these instructions and you will understand why the terrorists keep coming, many eager to throw away their lives for Allah: Allah’s Word is made superior, (His Word being Lailaha illallah which means none has the right to be worshipped but Allah), and His Religion (Islam) is propagated.”

It continues: “By abandoning Jihad (may Allah protect us from that) Islam is destroyed and the Muslims fall into an inferior position; their honour is lost, their lands are stolen, their rule and authority vanish. Jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on every Muslim, and he who tries to escape from this duty, or does not in his innermost heart wish to fulfil this duty, dies with one of the qualities of a hypocrite.”

The above statements are exactly as published in the Noble Koran and that includes everything in parentheses. Muslim leaders will tell anyone who will listen that Jihad means struggle, and it can mean that. One struggles with anger, hate, lust, etc. But to give only that meaning is a devious action to lead people away from the truth. (Remember that Hitler’s book was titled Mein Kampf or My Struggle, and his struggle resulted in drenching Europe with blood and killing millions of innocent people who were not of the Master Race.)

Muslim theologians make it very clear that Jihad means holy fighting and speaks of “numbers and weaponry” so that no one would be mistaken as to their obligations. It is disingenuous and dishonest for Muslim clerics to dance around this issue: Do they believe the Koran is a divine book to be obeyed by everyone in everyplace at every time? If a Muslim cleric affirms that he does not believe in holy fighting then he does not believe (or obey) the Koran or he is dishonest. Keep in mind that Mohammed gave Muslims permission to lie if the lie supports Jihad, espionage, or to keep peace among the women in his harem.

Every Muslim on earth has the obligation to fight in holy wars in promoting Islam and even to do it with the right attitude! If he does his duty but with some reservations or reluctance, he will die with the qualities of a hypocrite! So, they must fight with gusto or suffer in Paradise. Maybe with fewer virgins!
The above passage makes it very clear that no person on earth has the right to worship anyone but Allah. Now, can you see why Muslims hate the Jews, Christians, and others with a “holy” hatred? Now can you understand why they kill their close relatives who convert to Christ? Now can you understand why they must, absolutely must, seek to make every nation a Muslim nation



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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Shahadah
Salat: Prayer
Zakāt
Sawm of Ramadan:
Fasting Hajj:
Pilgrimage to Mecca Twelvers anyone?
I think that completes my home work Mr. Profesional sir


So where in there does it advocate murder and ignorance and beheadings?



I don’t think people are interested in being quizzed on the brain washing sections of the Qumran. Obviously, you must have spent some time pouring over the text. I don’t recommend anyone read that stuff to much, testimony of a registered psychiatrists claims you will not be mentally healthy


No I am interested in what you know about islam. If you are posting these things on ATS you must have some knowledge of them, but clearly you do not as you were not aware of the five basic pillars of Islam.

That alone qualifies you as being ignorant of the basics of islam.

If you are ignorant of the basic teachings of islam what qualifies you to post items such as the following:

1 - pictures and videos of ignorant individuals who do not represent islam
2 - texts, websites that are biased and do not represent islam as well.

Please tell me which one of the pictures and your posts matches up with the five pillars of Islam?

If they are not in concordance with the five pillars, then they are not islamic.



I think what this thread is about the peace of Islam. What tour of peace would be complete without the sixth pillar of Islam being mentioned?


What you have posted is: the sixth pillar and Jihad from

www.muslimfact.com

A biased hate website that makes up its own stuff as it sees fit.

Hey how bout this, lets try a simple experiment shall we? What is a large mosque in your area

We will get back to the pillar of jihad (mostly in shia islam in a moment)
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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what is this Mr Pro fesional?

en.wikipedia.org...


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Shi'a Islam tends to incorporate the Sixth pillar of Islam," referring to an addition to the Five Pillars of Islam: which explain the basic tenets of Islam.

[edit] Possible Sixth Pillar: Jihad

A few Muslims, mainly some Kharijite groups in ancient times[1][2] and members of Egyptian Islamic Jihad recently,[3] have taught that Jihad or personal struggle should be considered the sixth pillar of Islam. In this context, Jihad is viewed as external war against those perceived to be enemies of Islam.[4][5]

[edit] Controversy over Sixth Pillar of Islam

Most Sunni Muslims believe there are precisely five Pillars of Islam, since Sunni leaders have taught that there are only five major pillars of the faith. Traditionalists say that no sixth pillar should be added, because changing the pillars would be altering the religion and its beliefs, and so one who believes that there is a sixth is committing a sin. Thus, Sunnis believe that a 'six pillar of faith' is outside the folds of mainstream Islam.

However, other Shia commentators have distinguished the sixth pillar as one belonging to fundamentalist groups such as the Taliban and Al Qaeda, identifying those groups as sharing the Kharijite view that jihad is the sixth pillar of Islam, and renewalist groups such as Islamic Jihad and Hamas, which are described as not sharing that view

Just like Mohammed, when you need a new clause or a way to twist belief you can add lib
For instance, when Mohammed pulled his second robbery and killed the people in the caravan he just made another law so it wouldn’t be a sin. It was Ok to kill people because they were infidels, all the garbage you need is there and when needed its use will be implemented. It won’t be the mindless slaves that change it. It will be the power they are made to bow to, it comes deep within the hierarchy. Mindless slaves will obey because they believe it’s the power they bow to but it will be nothing more than the power hungry clerics that will call the shots just like Mohammed.You signed a pact with Satan when you join. You could loose your head thinking about trying to get out of that one
There is only one Islam
Are you here to talk about the peaceful religion or just to antagonize the patrons
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posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Ok fine very well, there is Jihad, the sixth pillar in Shia islam. We will get back to jihad in a moment, but first:

Lets get back to the experiment, do you live in the USA?



posted on Jun, 9 2012 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
You don't even know the five pillars of Islam man..


My "Six Lies of Islam" trumps your "five pillars"





edit on 9-6-2012 by Murgatroid because: I felt like it..



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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I live in a third story apartment complex in Detroit and its straight shot or a straight view to the Masque across the street.
So this Islam thing, you don’t believe Jesus is the Christ
In addition, you don’t believe he was crucified
But there was another person put in his place
In addition, Jesus ascended into heaven unscathed.
Is that correct, Mr. Professional?
Please now, answer the question



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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I live in a third story apartment complex in Detroit and its straight shot or a straight view to the Masque across the street.


Have you been there inside and listened to them?

So I just went to the website of one of your local mosques in detroit:

www.icoh.us...

I don't see them advocating mass murder, or beheadings.

I must be confused...



So this Islam thing, you don’t believe Jesus is the Christ In addition, you don’t believe he was crucified But there was another person put in his place In addition, Jesus ascended into heaven unscathed.


From what I have understood is that Muslims do believe in Jesus, but that he did not die on the cross. They also teach that Jesus is still alive and in heaven waiting to descend. You are absolutely correct in that aspect in that is what they teach.



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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So then your saying Allah lies



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:13 AM
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So then your saying Allah lies


No I did not state that anywhere. From what I know muslims belivee that there are certain versions of the bible and a lot of them are corrupted. For instance the original gospels are lost and the current bibles and all versions of it are not in their original form as they were first revealed to jesus.

but please address the above post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:21 AM
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You just said that both Allah (conspirator) and Jesus (co-conspirator) lied to us about the crucifixion and created a false religion known as Christianity
How could Allah lie to us like that?



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by redneck13
You just said that both Allah (conspirator) and Jesus (co-conspirator) lied to us about the crucifixion and created a false religion known as Christianity
How could Allah lie to us like that?


I did not say anywhere that Allah lied to us. From my understanding, Muslims believe that the original gospels contained this information which was then cut out, changed, omitted etc and created the bible in its form today. The Muslims believe in the ORIGINAL, unaltered bible.

Anyone who followed Jesus at the time of Jesus up until the arrival of Mohammad was actually a Muslim, yes that is true; because he was the last prophet at that time sent from God and followed Gods teachings and thus anyone who followed Jesus was hence a muslim.

God tricked the Jews into believing that Jesus was crucified since they did not believe in Jesus, and hence his second arrival is still coming.

But you still must address this post


www.abovetopsecret.com...
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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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I think you are loosing it Mr. Pro
You just said god tricked the Jews
That would be lying
You are saying Allah lies
Next, you will be saying Jesus was in on 911
For Christ’s sakes
Islam did not exist in Jesus’ day
Jesus was baptized by his cousin John.
Jesus was a practicing Baptist


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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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You just said god tricked the Jews That would be lying.You are saying Allah lies


No tricking as in punishing for their arrogance and not acceptance of jesus. God led Pharoah into a trap where he died under the red sea with all his arrogance. Similarily he tricked the jews into believign that they had killed Jesus

Tricking is not the same thing as lying. They tried to kill Gods prophet Jesus and hence God wanted to show them who was boss, so he tricked them and the fell for it in all their arrogance which they still believe to this day.



Next, you will be saying Jesus was in on 911


No where did I give a hint of that or advocate that theory...

Hey you need to address this post still:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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I am not sure if we should continue
Since you are saying God is a liar
In addition, Jesus is a liar, a false messiah
Their could be only one entity that would try to get me to believe both
God and Jesus are liars
He has a big lake of fire for his followers



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 12:59 AM
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I am not sure if we should continue Since you are saying God is a liar


I did not state that anywhere, please show my quote on it.



In addition, Jesus is a liar, a false messiah


Nope didnt state that either, please show my quote on it..

Hey, you need to answer this post:

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by redneck13

Muslim leaders will tell anyone who will listen that Jihad means struggle, and it can mean that.

One struggles with anger, hate, lust, etc. But to give only that meaning is a devious action to lead people away from the truth.

Remember that Hitler’s book was titled Mein Kampf or My Struggle, and his struggle resulted in drenching Europe with blood and killing millions of innocent people who were not of the Master Race.


In light of 97% of the Jihad passages in the Koran referring to violent Jihad, it is somewhat disingenuous by Muslims to suggest that Jihad means struggle in a non violent sense.

Here is an extensive list of the 164 Jihad passages in the Koran. As you can see, there are verses after verse extorting the Islamic faithful to spread Islam by the sword.

Answering Islam

Non violent Jihad verses? Few and far between.

Answering Islam

All together, 31% of the Muslim trilogy (the Koran, Hadith and Sura) is devoted to Jihad.

Statistical Islam

What is of great interest is that when Muhammad was starting out in Mecca and was largely powerless, Jihad passages are entirely lacking. The peaceful quotes from the Koran date from this period.

Later however, when he had grown powerful from caravan raids and had equipped a successful army (Muhammad himself personally took part in 28 violent Jihads Link), the verses in the Koran grow increasingly violent, extorting Muslims to carry out violent Jihad as a religious duty.

In fact 24% of the Median Koran is concerned with violent Jihad.



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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:11 AM
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I think what this thread is about the peace of Islam. What tour of peace would be complete without the sixth pillar of Islam being mentioned?
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Jihad (English pronunciation: /dʒɪˈhɑːd/; Arabic: جهاد‎ ǧihād [dʒiˈhæːd]), an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims. In Arabic, the word jihād translates as a noun meaning "struggle". Jihad appears 41 times in the Quran and frequently in the idiomatic expression "striving in the way of God (al-jihad fi sabil Allah)".[1][2][3] A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid; the plural is mujahideen. Jihad is an important religious duty for Muslims. A minority among the Sunni scholars sometimes refer to this duty as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.[4] In Twelver Shi'a Islam, however, Jihad is one of the 10 Practices of the Religion.



en.wikipedia.org...

and for the record wiki is inaccurate ,claiming that when you engage in "Jihad" your a mujahid ? no! it says it right their , "striving in the way of god " anyone who is religious is in a struggle , from the evils of this world ,

i love how wiki puts their own twist on this , and redneck if you with to engage me on Islam , you better pack a lunch , cause ill tell you , i used to be a "REDNECK" born and raised on a farm out in the flat lands , to a Conservative very christian "REDNECK family , and guess what ! this "REDNECK is 100% Muslim ,

makes me sick to even talk like that , please do your research before you spread this hogwash

ALLAHU! Ackbar!


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posted on Jun, 10 2012 @ 02:20 AM
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We will all pray for you my son



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