How Christian fundamentalists plan to teach genocide to schoolchildren

reply to post by Blaine91555

If you weer right no one could rent facilities

Good grief - try thinking for a change!!

Clearly to anyone who applies a smidgen of rational thought and doesn't just parrot religious paranoia, the facilites can and always could be used for any non-religious purposes.

The refusal to rent was because of the religious nature of the teaching being thought to violate separation of church and state - nothing more.

reply to post by DOLCOTT


You sound like the kind of intolerant type of person who shuns and bullies anyone who is different to you. So what if someone is weird, why is that such a crime to not be the same as everyone else? I find people who are desperate to be just like everyone else as the most hollow, uninspiring, uninteresting and uncreative people alive. When you judge other people so suddenly it shows your lack of compassion, intelligence and tolerance. Very Very unChristian of you as well I might add.

Typical modernist religion-bashing to help "free" us all from the constraints of moral behavior and deistic beliefs. There's only room for one Supreme being today and that is government.
They can't have people wondering if what the government tells them is in line with their personal beliefs, can we?
So let's just get rid of them!

Maybe you missed the part about this being a voluntary after-school group? No one is forcing fundamentalist religion on these kids.
I have long been an ardent critic of fundamentalist religions of all stripes. It is nothing more than the codification and secularization of the divine. It is a legalistic view of religion that does not allow for ecstatic experience, prophecy, healing or a personal, individual experience of God. It is a sad perversion of the universal creative force.
It utilizes fear of God rather than love for motivation.

But what makes this teaching "fundamentalist"? Because some hip 20-something author with a degree says it is?

Our children could benefit not only from a historical understanding of religion but from a personal experience with it as well. Morals and values are what builds character, something sadly in short supply these days. Our experiment with removing God from public life has been a disaster and imploded what was once a great and vibrant culture.

That's why there is no dominant culture in the US or Western Europe anymore - it was destroyed by socialism in the name of "multi-culturalism" and "diversity". The greatest leaps in human progress were made possible through religion. The abolition of slavery, civil rights, the anti-war movement - all owe their beginnings to religious thought.
Today we are making giant scientific breakthroughs at an astounding pace yet mankind is reverting to savagery, theft and genocide. This is not progress, it is the dawn of technological feudalism thanks to the removal of religion from the public realm.

reply to post by DJW001


I grew up in a small town in which, in the afternoons and evenings, the local church groups would use the public school for meetings and for catechism classes. There was an agreement between the churches and the town. I dont know what fee the churches paid. But it was 'all good' between the town and the different religious groups. The schools got a little more money because of the rental fees and were able to get newer texts (etc etc) with the rental money.

If this is an after school activity then I dont think anyone would have to pay a fee. There are lots of after school activities and groups that get together at the schools.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Maybe you missed the part about this being a voluntary after-school group? No one is forcing fundamentalist religion on these kids.

There ya' go. The title is totally off .. isn't it?

reply to post by Asktheanimals


I guess the best way for me to say it is this..

I'm not religious

I'm a Christian

HUGE difference

Semper

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


So.....

We have Christians teaching their children about how everyone should be Christian and we have Muslims teaching their children how everyone should be Muslim????

By my reckoning in about 10 to 15 years time we'll have a generation of Christians and generation of Muslims all baying for eachothers blood.... should be great TV Viewing!!!

Its happening already but this is just the start.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Typical modernist religion-bashing to help "free" us all from the constraints of moral behavior and deistic beliefs. There's only room for one Supreme being today and that is government.
They can't have people wondering if what the government tells them is in line with their personal beliefs, can we?
So let's just get rid of them!

Maybe you missed the part about this being a voluntary after-school group? No one is forcing fundamentalist religion on these kids.
I have long been an ardent critic of fundamentalist religions of all stripes. It is nothing more than the codification and secularization of the divine. It is a legalistic view of religion that does not allow for ecstatic experience, prophecy, healing or a personal, individual experience of God. It is a sad perversion of the universal creative force.
It utilizes fear of God rather than love for motivation.

But what makes this teaching "fundamentalist"? Because some hip 20-something author with a degree says it is?

Our children could benefit not only from a historical understanding of religion but from a personal experience with it as well. Morals and values are what builds character, something sadly in short supply these days. Our experiment with removing God from public life has been a disaster and imploded what was once a great and vibrant culture.

That's why there is no dominant culture in the US or Western Europe anymore - it was destroyed by socialism in the name of "multi-culturalism" and "diversity". The greatest leaps in human progress were made possible through religion. The abolition of slavery, civil rights, the anti-war movement - all owe their beginnings to religious thought.
Today we are making giant scientific breakthroughs at an astounding pace yet mankind is reverting to savagery, theft and genocide. This is not progress, it is the dawn of technological feudalism thanks to the removal of religion from the public realm.

edit on 7-6-2012 by Asktheanimals because: corrections

Sorry. I'm just laughing my ass off at this nonsense you've posted. I'm having trouble typing clearly.
Blaming socialism for everything is bad enough. But the abolition of slavery, civil rights, the anti-war movement all has Religion to Thank? One would therefore logically assume this Enlightenment started in America's Bible Belt then, yes?

Too much! Too much!


Great scientific breakthroughs, thanks to Religion!

LOL and rolling on the floor. Can barely type this!

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Typical modernist religion-bashing to help "free" us all from the constraints of moral behavior and deistic beliefs. There's only room for one Supreme being today and that is government.
They can't have people wondering if what the government tells them is in line with their personal beliefs, can we?
So let's just get rid of them!

Maybe you missed the part about this being a voluntary after-school group? No one is forcing fundamentalist religion on these kids.
I have long been an ardent critic of fundamentalist religions of all stripes. It is nothing more than the codification and secularization of the divine. It is a legalistic view of religion that does not allow for ecstatic experience, prophecy, healing or a personal, individual experience of God. It is a sad perversion of the universal creative force.
It utilizes fear of God rather than love for motivation.

But what makes this teaching "fundamentalist"? Because some hip 20-something author with a degree says it is?

Our children could benefit not only from a historical understanding of religion but from a personal experience with it as well. Morals and values are what builds character, something sadly in short supply these days. Our experiment with removing God from public life has been a disaster and imploded what was once a great and vibrant culture.

That's why there is no dominant culture in the US or Western Europe anymore - it was destroyed by socialism in the name of "multi-culturalism" and "diversity". The greatest leaps in human progress were made possible through religion. The abolition of slavery, civil rights, the anti-war movement - all owe their beginnings to religious thought.
Today we are making giant scientific breakthroughs at an astounding pace yet mankind is reverting to savagery, theft and genocide. This is not progress, it is the dawn of technological feudalism thanks to the removal of religion from the public realm.

edit on 7-6-2012 by Asktheanimals because: corrections

Sorry. I'm just laughing my ass off at this nonsense you've posted. I'm having trouble typing clearly.
Blaming socialism for everything is bad enough. But the abolition of slavery, civil rights, the anti-war movement all has Religion to Thank? One would therefore logically assume this Enlightenment started in America's Bible Belt then, yes?

Too much! Too much!

Great scientific breakthroughs, thanks to Religion!

LOL and rolling on the floor. Can barely type this!

^ quoted for truth and to repeat the hilarity of it!

There is nothing more amazing than how folks from any belief structure justify that structure. "Oh yeah X isn't so bad. Sure we might've boiled babies in oil for 1,000 years, but we did 3 charity car washes last year. Completely evens itself out."

Of all our most VILE inventions, the WORST had been the invention of a god and religion.

News flash to the faithful, you've been sold a tub of excrement. There are no gods looking out for you. That tub of excrement was sold to you to keep you under someone's control in the hopes that they can exploit you to further that particular someone's gain.

There are no virgins in paradise, there is no paradise.

There were no 4 foot tall jewish zombies whose dad wanted to torture the zombie to show the humans how much he loved the humans that the zombie would be sacrficed so that the humans could be saved.

I think it's quite fitting, the U.S.A. is a terrorist state, why is anyone surprised that the main terrorist religion in the biggest terrorist nation on Earth is teaching Genocide? The shoe fits, doesn't it?

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Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

So.....

We have Christians teaching their children about how everyone should be Christian and we have Muslims teaching their children how everyone should be Muslim????

By my reckoning in about 10 to 15 years time we'll have a generation of Christians and generation of Muslims all baying for eachothers blood.... should be great TV Viewing!!!

Its happening already but this is just the start.

I guess that is a reasonable prediction - IMO it will take a little longer - maybe 1-1/2 generations (25-40 yrs) for all the insanity to be thoroughly entrenched on both sides, but yeah.

I think it is all part of a general "reaction to the opposite" - when one extreme exists the "opposite" extreme emerges as a counter.

Eg one can see communism as an extreme reaction to unbridled capitalism/imperialism of hte 19th century and Imperial Russia, Fascism as an extreme reation agaisnt communism, Arab nationalism as a reaction to Zionism, islamic terrorsim as a reaction to the palestinian "problem", and conceivably fundamental religion (of all varieties) as a reaction to increasing secularism/western influence/other religious fundamentalism, etc.

That's obviously a bit simplistic of course...but it does seem to be a pattern.

I do believe that one day, if things get bad enough, there will be x-ian suicide bombers - and I woudn't be surprised to see aetheist/humanist/secular ones too if fundamentalist religions keep going the way they are!!

reply to post by DontTreadOnMe


Acknowledged. You also should expect people to agree with you and some people not to agree with you.
This is a particularly volatile topic. Whenever religion comes into play all hell breaks loose.

Originally posted by semperfortis
reply to post by Asktheanimals

 

I guess the best way for me to say it is this..

I'm not religious

I'm a Christian

HUGE difference

Semper

Amen to that brother!
- exactly how i feel about it too.

reply to post by CaptainLJB


I don't mean to to imply that religion hasn't been the source of many problems - it has been and continues to be.
Yet it was a major component of our culture at one time here in the US and one that helped shaped our National character. It was the removal of it from public life that has led to the disintegration of our culture.
You're probably too young to remember when they didn't allow gratuitous sex, violence and cursing on television or radio. I used to be an advocate for the removal of all "religious nonsense" from our laws and government but I've seen the ill effects of that freedom and how it has broken down our culture and individual sense of propriety and responsibility.

It's true that the abolition of slavery, civil rights and anti-war movements started in churches but you'll have to read some history text books written before 1990 to find it. They don't teach this is public school anymore as there is an organized removal of religion and it's effects from every part of our history, culture and public life.

I'll refrain from replying to you on the same level as you did me.
Why? I believe that it's wrong to mock others and that we're here to help each other, not denigrate their beliefs or make them feel inferior.
I think some religion taught me that.
Cheers,
Asktheanimals

reply to post by Viesczy



I hope you realize that anti-religious thought has it's downsides as well - the holocaust, the communist purges, etc. Probably leading to more deaths than any other single cause by the hand of man.
I'm not going to deny the Crusades or the inquisition or the destruction of the Native Americans and the role religion played in them. Religion has it excesses too.

The problem is the extremes of views on either side are what creates the worst problems we face.

So you and I are nothing more than random atoms put together by chance mutation? We are the same as baboons, trout and amoebas? Sorry, I think you are far more special and unique than that, in fact I believe there is a spark of the divine in all of us.

Humans can do both marvelous things and horrible things but what is it that decides what we do with our lives?

Maybe Notre Dame and Chartre cathedrals shouldn't have been built since they were "wasted" on a bunch of religious kooks? What about the Parthenon or pyramids?
The works of Michelangelo and Rafael were a complete waste too?
Thou shalt not kill - thou shalt not steal - invalid ideas due to source?
What about the Bill of Rights? Those inalienable rights endowed by our creator? - another bad religious idea?
Anything granted by man can be taken away by man. That's why they ascribed them to the creator. Now that the state is removing religion they are removing our rights as well.

Fact is we need both kinds of thought or we suffer the excesses of the dominant faction so I'll hang on to my "load of excrement", thank you very much.

God's divine plan includes many parts, and the grand plan was the birth of Jesus and the salvation available to humanity. The geneologies from Adam to Noah expresses this purpose;

HEBREW. English
Adam "Man"
Seth  "Appointed"
Enosh  "Mortal"
Kenan  "Sorrow"
Mahalalel  "the blessed God"
Jared  "shall come down"
Enoch  "Teaching"
Methusalah  "his death shall bring"
Lamech  "the despairing"
Noah. "Rest, or comfort"

"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching (that) his death shall bring (the) despairing rest."

God was going to bless all nations through Abraham. Amalekites opposed the tribes of Israel for hundreds of years, and therefore they ultimately opposed God in HIS Purpose. The Godless souls on this topic are Amalekite supporters, choosing to back the wrong team never understanding that God's Purpose and Will will never be thwarted - ever. His patience lasted hundreds of years in those days, just as His patience is long stretched with us in our gross disobedience today. Those that write their disobedient words choose the beast and his thinking, never understanding nor connecting their continual loss of rights with God's judgement fast approaching. Those that oppose and reject Him and His Authority seal their own fate. He is both just AND merciful, willing that none should perish. But He's clear - justice is dealt for disobedience. The youth today cannot see that they've been indoctrinated to rebel against all authority - including the very One who offers salvation. Choosing to rebel against that Authority is met by His Sword of Justice. He is the Creator, we are the created. Not the other way around.

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
God's divine plan includes many parts, and the grand plan was the birth of Jesus and the salvation available to humanity. The geneologies from Adam to Noah expresses this purpose;

HEBREW. English
Adam "Man"
Seth  "Appointed"
Enosh  "Mortal"
Kenan  "Sorrow"
Mahalalel  "the blessed God"
Jared  "shall come down"
Enoch  "Teaching"
Methusalah  "his death shall bring"
Lamech  "the despairing"
Noah. "Rest, or comfort"

"Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the blessed God shall come down teaching (that) his death shall bring (the) despairing rest."

God was going to bless all nations through Abraham. Amalekites opposed the tribes of Israel for hundreds of years, and therefore they ultimately opposed God in HIS Purpose. The Godless souls on this topic are Amalekite supporters, choosing to back the wrong team never understanding that God's Purpose and Will will never be thwarted - ever. His patience lasted hundreds of years in those days, just as His patience is long stretched with us in our gross disobedience today. Those that write their disobedient words choose the beast and his thinking, never understanding nor connecting their continual loss of rights with God's judgement fast approaching. Those that oppose and reject Him and His Authority seal their own fate. He is both just AND merciful, willing that none should perish. But He's clear - justice is dealt for disobedience. The youth today cannot see that they've been indoctrinated to rebel against all authority - including the very One who offers salvation. Choosing to rebel against that Authority is met by His Sword of Justice. He is the Creator, we are the created. Not the other way around.

i don't see the new book of joel in there.. i think we need to do our homework, homie.

love you!