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Scott Walker Declared Winner by Fox News/CNN/MSNBC.

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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Beanskinner

Great!

Corporations will be glad to pay you $.50 an hour -


If they can find people dumb enough to work for $.50/hour, more power to them. Personally I would never hire anyone willing to sell themselves that short, but hey, if you would, I'd be glad to compete with you - both in the labor force and in the marketplace.



Thank goodness those slimy union members have less to spend in Wisconsin,

that will help the economy



Yeah, it DID - which is why they got spanked so hard when they went against the will of the people in Wisconsin and tried to re-create the system that would drag the economy back down to the previous level! Good call!




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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by milominderbinder


Given that I'm a Wisconsin resident...yes...I DID SEE THEM GIVING IN, NEGOTIATING, AND VOLUNTARILY OFFERING TO CUT THEIR SALARIES TO HELP THE STATE THROUGH THE ECONOMIC CRISIS.

Unfortunately...Walker wouldn't even talk to them and his slave-owners required him to legislatively deprive people of their rights.


What "rights" would you be referring to? The false notion there is some sort of "right" to bargain for more of the taxpayers money?



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Beanskinner

Great!

Corporations will be glad to pay you $.50 an hour -


If they can find people dumb enough to work for $.50/hour, more power to them. Personally I would never hire anyone willing to sell themselves that short, but hey, if you would, I'd be glad to compete with you - both in the labor force and in the marketplace.



Thank goodness those slimy union members have less to spend in Wisconsin,

that will help the economy



Yeah, it DID - which is why they got spanked so hard when they went against the will of the people in Wisconsin and tried to re-create the system that would drag the economy back down to the previous level! Good call!




edit on 2012/6/6 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)


really?... more power to them??...go to any 3rd world nation and see how much businesses and corporations care about paying people to work. see what a great and civilized population that has created. see how those societies have progressed. i believe you are a foriegn enemy or terrorist of america, rejoicing and high fiveing that people be paid less and less and happy that millions of workers will become poorer and poorer over time.

i know you don't care about history, because it's obvious you haven't studied it....but...if by some reason you would even check...read up on why unions were created in the first place



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by jimmyx

really?... more power to them??...


Yes, REALLY! I didn't stutter, did I? If you're sorry enough to sell your skill for fifty cents an hour, the onus is on YOU, not THEM. Dumb people need jobs, too!



go to any 3rd world nation and see how much businesses and corporations care about paying people to work. see what a great and civilized population that has created. see how those societies have progressed.


Since when is Wisconsin a "3rd world nation"? That IS what we're talking about here, isn't it? Wisconsin?



i believe you are a foriegn enemy or terrorist of america,


I really, really, REALLY can't even imagine caring any less what your opinion of me is. REALLY. Is there some particular treason I should care about your opinion of me?



rejoicing and high fiveing that people be paid less and less and happy that millions of workers will become poorer and poorer over time.


Not my problem - I'M not the one willing to sell myself for 50 cents an hour. If those people don't want to be "poor", then perhaps they should take control of their own finances...



i know you don't care about history, because it's obvious you haven't studied it....but...if by some reason you would even check...read up on why unions were created in the first place


Sonny, I grew up in the Appalachian coal fields. I've seen more out of the Unions than you have seen union members. Teach ME the history, oh Wise One.

have you ever even HEARD of Blair Mountain? I've WALKED it. I know the history like you will NEVER understand.




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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by neo96
Walker winning is making heads explode already,and they said this could tell the tale of november,

Seems common sense prevailed in Wisconsin so good for them.
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Barrett was a bad candidate, he lost to Walker in the first election, he was a bad choice for the recall.

With the special election allowing money from any source, Walker benefited greatly from Koch money and outspent Barrett 10 to 1.

The Democrats took over the Senate, though how much sway they will have is questionable as Wisconsin is odd...the Senate is in "recess" for the rest of the year and can only vote if called back into session by Walker.

Exit Polls....almost 20% of those that cast their vote for Walker in the recall also indicated that they would vote for Pres. Obama in the general election, so the spin about Wisconsin being in play seems BS.

If I had to sum it up...Bad candidate put forth by Dems in Wisconsin...National Dems agreed and were reluctant to waste cash to go try and go head-to-head with Koch dollars for a likely lost cause.

I see a similairity here though to the general election...Barrett being not the best candidatte...Wisconsin Dems hoped folks would "hold your nose and vote" no-matter-what...an Anti-Walker vote rather than a pro-Barrett vote...and those voters didn't show up at the polls. In that sense Wisc. can be considered a micro-cosm of the election to come. I don't think folks will turn out at the voting booth for Romney, despite what they might say in a telephone survey.

Just my take..



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu



Thank goodness those slimy union members have less to spend in Wisconsin,

that will help the economy



Yeah, it DID - which is why they got spanked so hard when they went against the will of the people in Wisconsin and tried to re-create the system that would drag the economy back down to the previous level! Good call!




edit on 2012/6/6 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)


No it didn't. Wisconsin was DEAD LAST in the nation for Job Creation in 2011.
The new report on Job Creation is not to be released for another 3 weeks...3 weeks after the recall election.

So what Walker/Koch brothers did was opt to cherry pick and create their own job numbers and then blanket the Wisconsin airwaves claiming dramatic improvement, knowing no one would be the wiser until 3 weeks after the recall election.

Don't believe me? Here is an economist at the Conservative Forbes Magazine..

Scott Walker Magically Turns Dismal Wisconsin Job Numbers Into A Pre-Election Miracle


What the Walker Administration has been seeking to overcome as they head into the election is the poor Department of Labor (DOL) job report indicating that Wisconsin came in dead last in job creation in 2011 when measured again the remaining 49 states in the nation.

To make such a comparison, there must be a “constant” metric. That metric has long been the DOL Establishment Survey.

By introducing a third survey-and one that has not yet been subjected to DOL scrutiny and not even due to be released until the June 28th report is released (three weeks after the recall vote), there is no constant metric to use in doing a comparison.

Because it is so completely unusual for a state to release these numbers before the DOL puts it out, we have no way of knowing how Wisconsin will fare when everyone else gets their number. They may still be last in the nation – or they may have moved up a few slots.

Thus, while the data may be marginally helpful in the political sense (it certainly looks better to say you created 23,300 jobs than lost 33,000), there is absolutely no way of knowing if, say, California’s numbers will similarly improve when they have their results or where an apples to apples comparison would place Wisconsin.

www.forbes.com...

Sad, but true...Wisconsinites got played and that is what happens when you have funds and professional political hacks funded by billionaires entering a state election.

Three weeks from now when the true numbers are released, Wisoconsinites will wonder WTF happened to all those rosey numbers the Walker ads talked about...but the recall election will be long over.
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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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I'm thinking you're trying to make the jump that public sector unions have had the same beneficial effects on the workforce as private sector unions. They haven't, and to say they have is intellectually dishonest. Unions in general are dinosaurs, whos end is drawing near. Public sector unions are parasites, whos end is long overdue.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Cost of holding a recall election: $16 Million

Getting to see Liberals cry: Priceless!



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Indigo5

No it didn't. Wisconsin was DEAD LAST in the nation for Job Creation in 2011.
The new report on Job Creation is not to be released for another 3 weeks...3 weeks after the recall election.


There's more to a healthy economy than simple "job creation". Even at that, the job creation numbers depend on which survey you want to hang your hat on. Personally, I'll take the thoughts of the citizens of Wisconsin as my gauge over any survey of job creation. They've spoken, and do seem to be happy with the way it's going.



So what Walker/Koch brothers did was opt to cherry pick and create their own job numbers and then blanket the Wisconsin airwaves claiming dramatic improvement, knowing no one would be the wiser until 3 weeks after the recall election.


I get pretty tired of hearing the Koch Brothers salted in to every conversation about Wisconsin, as if they were relevant. They're not, in this conversation. The People of Wisconsin are the employers of he governmental workers, and they have made their will known in this matter.

Resoundingly.

If I were a Unionist, I think I'd be dropping back and trying to employ some common sense, before they fired Unions altogether.



Don't believe me? Here is an economist at the Conservative Forbes Magazine..


A statistics professor once told an entire class when I was i college that there are 3 kinds of lies - there are "lies", there are "DAMN lies", and there is the worst of all... "statistics". It doesn't surprise me that the statistics are all over the map. People can vote on whatever set of statistics they prefer, OR they can vote on results as they have impinged on them, the results they have SEEN. Guess which way the smart voter votes?



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by seeker1963
Cost of holding a recall election: $16 Million

Getting to see Liberals cry: Priceless!


You will see liberals cry again when ObamaCare gets flushed down the toilet

by the SCOTUS later on this month.

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We need to have a replacement ready to go that includes tort reform.

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June 2012 appears to be a terrible month for Obama.





posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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I will not be vacationing in WisKOCHsin ever again.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by oghamxx
I will not be vacationing in WisKOCHsin ever again.


Listen closely... do you hear all that weeping and wailing? that's the people of Wisconsin mourning their loss...

What do you mean you don't hear anything?



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by seeker1963
Cost of holding a recall election: $16 Million

Getting to see Liberals cry: Priceless!


Actually, the cost was the loss of economic viability for the middle class in Wisconsin due to the loss of power through collective bargaining.


Ronald Reagan is now officially a liberal..conservatives..sorry..you forfeit the Reagan card. But you can get a 3% off walmart card instead..so there is always that.

Congrats to money for its win in Wisconsin..message received..he with the most cash has the loudest voice.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
We need to have a replacement ready to go that includes tort reform.


Tort reform?
You want the government to tell private citizens how they can use civil law against private companys?

You some kind of socialist?!!!
Show me where in the constitution it says you can dictate to citizens how they can interact with private legal companies?

What hypocrisy...if they do it, its socialism, if we do it, its totally logical.
pfffft. disingenuous.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

I get pretty tired of hearing the Koch Brothers salted in to every conversation about Wisconsin, as if they were relevant. They're not, in this conversation.


Hmmm...Let me ask you this...Do you think the Koch Brothers are stupid? Do you think they would spend tens of Millions of dollars in Wisconsin to support Walker if they thought it would not be "relevant"?

To claim that money does not influence elections seems an overly egregious concession of logic to idealogy.


Originally posted by nenothtu
A statistics professor once told an entire class when I was i college that there are 3 kinds of lies - there are "lies", there are "DAMN lies", and there is the worst of all... "statistics". It doesn't surprise me that the statistics are all over the map.


Yes, Statistics are often used to lie...I am familair with the qoute and took several course in statistics in college as well.

That is why in that same course you likely learned how to discern between bad statistics and surveys and good ones? Ones that are relevant and ones that are not?

The job creation numbers that Walker chose and spun have no consistant measure for comparison to either the previous years numbers or other states. They were pure political tools. The numbers that are going to be released in three weeks are non-partisan, scientifically vetted and the same protocol used year over year and for every state in the union so that comparisons can be made.

I appreciate you have an idealogy and an opinion, but from a pure intellectual standpoint I'd expect more honesty than simply declaring that all statistics lie and that one survey is not better than the next. Especially from someone that apparently has attended a college level statistics course.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by Beanskinner

He did have 7 times the money

American Conservatives are ushering in a Banana Republic, where the facade of Elections
is kept up, but money dictates the outcome.



Seven times the money?

Really?

Walker had SEVEN TIMES the money of his opponents?

That probably ought to tell you something right there, but I'm getting the distinct impression that those citing that figure are missing out entirely on the fiscal lesson it contains...



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:22 AM
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Well, lets just keep a close eye on Wisconsin.

My prediction is that this time next year Wisconsin will see its unemployment

rate fall from 6.7% to 5.8%.

Small businesses will grow the economy.


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At the same time keep an eye on Illinois.

Illinois will continue to deteriorate.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Actually, the cost was the loss of economic viability for the middle class in Wisconsin due to the loss of power through collective bargaining.



I do all my bargaining individually, yet somehow manage to remain economically viable. Who knew?

Collective bargaining is for wussies who can't stand on their own. I stopped running in gangs a long time ago.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by Beanskinner

He did have 7 times the money

American Conservatives are ushering in a Banana Republic, where the facade of Elections
is kept up, but money dictates the outcome.



Seven times the money?

Really?

Walker had SEVEN TIMES the money of his opponents?

That probably ought to tell you something right there, but I'm getting the distinct impression that those citing that figure are missing out entirely on the fiscal lesson it contains...



Actually most tallies put it closer to 10 times the money and yes the fiscal lesson is clear, Money corrupts politics and furthers the already historically unprecedented income disparity in the United States of America.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by SaturnFX

Show me where in the constitution it says you can dictate to citizens how they can interact with private legal companies?


It says that in the same place where it says Obama can force me to do business with a private company...



What hypocrisy...if they do it, its socialism, if we do it, its totally logical.
pfffft. disingenuous.


Yeah, what HE said!



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