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Originally posted by SoulReaper
Noone is claiming that Abiogenesis is the same as evolution.
Noone is claiming that mutations don't happen.
You have ZERO working theories for how the mutations that can be observed... could possiblly have slowly evolved the complex living organisms that we have today.
This is what I'm doubting.. not that mutations take place... but that they took place in the manner that you are proposing.
So being backed by genetic mutation rates, natural selection (both observable in a lab and in the wild), the entire fields of biology and genetics, and the fossil record doesn't qualify as plausible or working I guess.
You really have no clue what it means to present a WORKING, PAUSIBLE theory for consideration.
None of that makes any sense. You still haven't cited a single piece of evidence from the actual theory of evolution that you disagree with, you just make preachy blanket statements that have no basis in reality and don't apply to evolution.
It is a HUGE JUMP to go from showing that mutations happen... to claiming that this process of Accidents in copying information evolved the Complex living organisms that we have studied via modern biology.
Linking me to a site that shows an observed process that can occur randomly is not proof that those random process' caused the evolution of a complex living organism.
Be honest and say that you Have no Working Theory for a godless existence according to science.
Your theories are all based on Faith in incredible events against impossible odds.
Originally posted by INDOMITABLE
SoulReaper this argument will never finish. You have presented your side admirably, but don't continue to beat your head against the wall.
God cannot be explained or proven, he can only be experienced. They will continue to believe in evolution until they experience Him for themselves.
I just thought about the fact that I never really believed in evolution EVEN before I was a Christian. I think it had a lot to do with the fact that I grew up in a certified haunted house. It just didn't fit with or explain my experiences. I've always been spiritual and into the supernatural and evolutionary thought just didn't do it for me then or now.
Funny people think that Christians are Christians because they were raised that way. The same could be said about an evolutionist. You were told this was how the world worked when you were young and you grew up to never question it. Most people "born into the Church" question it when they become teenagers and rebel. That never seems to happen with an Evolutionist though.
Wolford believed that the Bible requires Christians to handle poisonous snakes to test their faith in God, and remain steadfast in their belief that they will not be bitten or will be healed if they are attacked. Death by rattlesnake is “excruciating—the venom attacks the nervous system, and it’s vicious and gruesome when it hits,” a snake expert told the Post. Wolford was the son of a snake-handler preacher who died of a snake bite when Wolford was 15.
I’ll tell you what it is. Its these goddam Jewish snakes. These Chosen Rattlesnakes who don’t believe in Jesus. Don’t even listen to a word the pastor says. Most people see a serpent and the automatically assume its the devil, but I think its actually just a bunch of Jew snakes.
There is no truly "standard model" of the origin of life.
“We keep on being told that religion, whatever its imperfections, at least instills morality. On every side, there is conclusive evidence that the contrary is the case and that faith causes people to be more mean, more selfish, and perhaps above all, more stupid.” ― Christopher Hitchens
But this morphing from one species to another is highly suspect
Originally posted by steve1709
That's it guys, keep this thread going. I have a $100 bet with a mate that it'll reach 40 pages. So PLEASE keep it going. Wow, just imagine if we can reach 40 pages of guff. Again I say, qudos to the believers who care enough for their fellow man to try and "save" him and again I say to those who have finally given up believing in fairy tales and make believe stories that there is no way anyone can change the mind of a person who is trapped in the dogme mindset. Have a great day and please, get this thread to 40 pages, I want my $100
Part of the social mental illness is that it is social and so most people do not recognize it.
Originally posted by blueorder
Originally posted by HumanCondition
46% of the US has a serious social mental illness.
"social mental illness"- really, are our mental hospitals and prisons flled with creationists
It doesn't really matter if someone believes in evolution or not (unless you are specifically working in this field)- it makes zilcho difference to life here and now, so this constant demonisation of people for holding such views is over the top
Eight out of 10 Americans believe God guided creation in some capacity. A Gallup Poll reveals that 46 percent think God created man in his present form sometime in the past 10,000 years, while 36 percent say man developed over millions of years from lesser life forms, but God guided the process.
Only 13 percent of Americans think mankind evolved with no divine intervention.
“There has been surprisingly little change over the last 24 years in how Americans respond,” pollster Frank Newport said.