In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

Originally posted by intrptr
Statistics lie. There is always an agenda. Specially when it comes to religion, evolution, church and science.

Completely agree. This poll was done over the phone with just over 1000 people. That is not nearly big enough a sample size to claim 46% of all Americans believe that and is downright lazy. Why even write an article about that?

Most religious people I know accept evolution and still believe in god. There's nothing wrong with that at all.

I honestly believe it's more like 30% of Americans that outright reject evolution because of fundamentalist beliefs. They are a dying minority. But they love coming here to try and "debunk" evolution for some odd reason.

Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by Omniview

 

I am the scientific minded type and hold religion as control for the masses however in the way of evolution is the fact that there has not been found a direct link from us to the monkey or even from monkey to the earliest species of man. We've found remains of early humans but no remains for a being that is somewhere in between monkey and man. I believe in evolution but I dont think we evolved from the ape. I believe we were a seperate species all together different from the ape.

Evolution doesnt claim that humans evolved from apes. It says we share a common ancestor with apes.

See even people that don't believe in the creationist's story don't really understand the theory of evolution.

I don't mean to pick on ya Karen, but this really shows that the theory of evolution is a lot more complex than people think. Its just not as simple as humans used to be apes. You have to really do your homework to fully grasp it.

I really wish people could get these words right:



Hypothesis: an idea or guess that can be disproven or supported through empirical testing and observation.

Scientific theory (as in the "theory of evolution" or the "theory of relativity"): a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have withstood constant empirical testing and is considered valid unless disproven.

Theory: a conjecture, or nontechnical name for hypothesis.



A "theory" and a "scientific theory" are not the same thing. The theory of evolution has withstood rigorous testing (more so than any other scientific theory!), which it has yet to be disproven.

Which is why America will die and end. half of it is populated by drooling, slavering creatoinist morons. These people should not be permitted to vote or breed.

So, only 15 percent of people in the USA say god had no part of mans creation. Those figures haven't changed much over the last five years. That means that eighty five percent of people still believe that god/gods exist making atheists an extreme minority yet. Most Christians believe in a cross between evolution and creationism. Most that I know think that mankind has been here a long time but that god did create man.

Try calling ten times the amount of people at all kinds of locations to find more accurate results.

Originally posted by Lionhearte

What it boils down to is this -

If there is a God, mankind is in trouble - we need to find out who He is and what He wants, because He's in control.

If there ISN'T a God, mankind is in trouble - we're specs of dust on a rock, hurtling through space at 68,000 miles an hour, and no one is in control.

Argument to moderation (Latin: argumentum ad temperantiam, also known as middle ground, false compromise, gray fallacy and the golden mean fallacy) is a logical fallacy which asserts that the truth can be found as a compromise between two opposite positions.

An individual demonstrating this false compromise fallacy implies that the positions being considered represent extremes of a continuum of opinions, and that such extremes are always wrong, and the middle ground is always correct.

And that's about as blatant as it gets...

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I find it strange and disturbing just how many people would rather reject the God of Christianity, without even investigating it, and instead make of fallen angel aliens, their God, it too is absurd, how fast people would rather place themselves in submission to questionable "powers and principalities" than be liberated from the snare by a God of absolute love and forgiveness. A great delusion indeed..

I don't reject the god of christianity. I reject the false teachings of the church though and that is why I prefer spiritualism over religious dogma. The vatican itself has one of the largest off-limits libraries in the world and people never ask why it is off-limits?

I much prefer the idea of a formative causation/creation within the context of a non-local, quantum holographic cosmological unity where the first shall be last, and the last, first. It's much more satisfying, and, as an added bonus, precludes the possibiity of predation whereby eat or be eaten does not get the last word and where God himself has been processed, willingly, as spiritual "food" for our own enjoyment.

God himself has been processed, willingly as spiritual food for our own enjoyment????

God and Satan do not get proccessed friend. They are of eternal nature in relation to our puny lifes!

Get thee behind us Satan - our destiny is to be absolutely free and liberated in the domain of limitless possibility, as spiritual beings made in the image and likeness of God the first/last cause. Sorry you lose, by my you're good at signing up willing recruits with an anti-religious bias!

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The luciferians run the church in case you have not found out yet, or you probably already know this and giving me the old dog chasing its tail crap. God does not ask for sacrifice, only satan does. Start digging into paganism a little.

reply to post by FeatherofMaat

Or, maybe... a lack of compassion, hatred and divisiveness will be the downfall of the American people as a nation...

But I have to admit that the "Bible believers" ARE moronic, and worse, close-minded towards progressive viewpoints and understandings, some of which might have even served to validate the core principals of their belief!

Some use the Bible to hurt people, like a blunt instrument. Jesus spoke of those types and let's just say he didn't hold them in very high regard. They are what might be called "dry" Christians, lacking in spiritual vitality, which was killed dead by the letter of the word.

reply to post by thepainweaver


VERY well said.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Jesus said "I ask for mercy, NOT sacrifice", and if you understood the true nature of the holy trinity and of God as the Absolute, then you'd know what I mean by God processed as spiritual food for our enjoyment. Just consider it is all I ask, the inaccessibility of a perfect whole and complete God with absolute integrity (without compromise).

Satanism makes of God who is the self-aware spirit of truth and life/spirit of the universe - a creature or being somewhere within a hiearchy of domination and submission, which does sound a lot like the Roman Church, but woe to them who would demonize God, or who would seek to invert heaven and hell!

Btw, did you know the Vatican supported Hitler and signed a Concordat with pre-WWII Germany? Hitler held them in very high regard, and felt their idea of a universal hiearchy to be so inspirational as to be breathtaking in its implications, and was about to comment further and then shut his mouth before saying too much more about it.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

Jesus said "I ask for mercy, NOT sacrifice", and if you understood the true nature of the holy trinity and of God as the Absolute, then you'd know what I mean by God processed as spiritual food for our enjoyment. Just consider it is all I ask, the inaccessibility of a perfect whole and complete God with absolute integrity (without compromise).

Satanism makes of God who is the self-aware spirit of truth and life/spirit of the universe - a creature or being somewhere within a hiearchy of domination and submission, which does sound a lot like the Roman Church, but woe to them who would demonize God, or who would seel to invert heaven and hell!

The God of life and love can never be imprisoned, nor his eternal throne ever usurped.

Did you know the Vatican supported Hitler and signed a Concordat with pre-WWII Germany. Hitler held them in high regard..

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Fact of the matter is many of todays practicing christians could not be further from the truth. Christianity and capitalism do not mix at all yet both are being pushed unrelentingly by the right. If christ were alive today he would be a socialist. Capitalism rellies purely on exploitation of the moronic masses who have been brainwashed to follow religious dogma. I could not care less if you think I am blashpemising or not. My deeds speak greater than my words.

Mainstream religion for the most part is for fools. There is a huge disconnection between fiction and reality.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I find it strange and disturbing just how many people would rather reject the God of Christianity, without even investigating it, and instead, make of fallen angel aliens, their God, it too is absurd, how fast people would rather place themselves in submission to questionable "powers and principalities" than be liberated from the snare by a God of absolute love and forgiveness. A great delusion indeed..

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As the Christian God "Yahweh" created earth, he's not origionally from here so he's technically an Alien...

Other people might reject him due to these awful reports: (yes it was punishment for sin, and ok so murdered children forgo free will and get a free pass into heaven (doesn't say that in the bible..but we assume it to be true...lucky them.)

Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and animals.
Exodus 12:29, God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant.
Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they are allowed to rape as spoils of war.
2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them.
Hosea 13:16 Samarian having rebelled. To fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to the ground, their pregnant women ripped open."

there's more but I think we get the idea....

Not too difficult to see how people might not want to worship a merciful loving deity that had to punish us sinful human's this way....

In fact I think the Bible is mainly a book of man made excuses for behaving terribly .. as in the psycho's that claim god made me do it...

However I do believe in a merciful creator ...

I think it's important to understand that any theory, or even scientific law, is subject to questioning and change. What we consider to be reality is constantly evolving, no pun intended. We learn more about the universe, inner and outer, everyday.

There is no doubt in my mind that the theory of evolution will go through many changes and eventually look completely different than the current model. But this is the biggest difference between science and religion. Science reserves the right to change it's mind, religion doesn't.

The problem is that we've seen this movie before.... Well maybe not us, but through our history books.

Kepler, Copernicus and Galileo all were condemned by the church for using the scientific method instead of faith. Darwin, IMO, is just the modern day, or relatively modern, version.

Now I do believe people should reserve the right to believe what they want. However, can anyone imagine if today someone told you that the Earth was flat and the center of the universe because the Bible said so?

Even Jews and Christians would call them crazy.

I definitely agree there are holes in the theory, but it reminds me of the "theory" of dark matter and dark energy. We don't have empirical proof, can't describe it very well, but everything points to it and makes more sense when you use it.

reply to post by AliceBlackman


You really need to see that video by Lewis Black (I posted this about 3 pages ago in this thread, you can also find it on YouTube).

It kinda goes like this -- the God of the Old Testament was a prick. However, he mellowed down in the New Testament -- having a kid sometimes has this effect.

reply to post by AliceBlackman


A more accurate description would probably be the elohim and the nephelim. I can totally comprehend why the elohim would want to destroy the serpent cult at every chance they could and that is why perhaps the serpent cult went underground.

The serpent cult is real. They are the ones who rule earth, create wars to depopulate, convey falsehoods and half-truths, conceal the truth.

Or perhaps lucifer created all the havoc and you think it is god? I don't know and don't pretend to have the answers. We are dealing with alien races at war in our galaxy and yet we talk about things in super vague terms that do not make sense.

A wizard did it.
-Second

Originally posted by NotTooHappy
A wizard did it.
-Second

Funny you should say that, take a look at the thread in my sig, it might open a lot of people's eyes to what might really be going on here.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

No I think you're on target, and the evidence is plain as day when we see the degree to which American Christendom is being exploited by the political right wing for a continued control and domination as the status quo, never mind the long history of the church, all the way to the 3rd century seek and destroy mission against what I call the "12 emanations of the magi".

What I like about Jesus is that he wasn't afraid or unwilling to "step on toes" in upholding a standard of truth and righteousness, whereas some of these "structures" like the Vatican, appear, at least to me, to honor and obseqiously "kiss up" to "powers and principalities" not of this world, assuming that power structures "in the heavens" are all top-down, while at the same time perhaps secretly accusing their so-called founder, Jesus Christ himself, of representing the height of arrogance, and vanity ie: that they are secretly at odds with Jesus, and would prefer to keep him ON the cross (or mocking his Great Work with the "broken cross" as if he didn't suffer grievously..) or keep him in some state of bondage and imprisonment, to hold the son of God captive if you will, while generating a permissive framework for all manner of wickedness, corruption and evil, and indeed when we look at dark shadow-governments of the world, like the CIA, lo and behold their founders are, to a one, members of the military arm of the Vatican aka SMOM (Sovereign Military Order of Malta).

Here, this, depicts the thing I'm describing perfectly.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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That was actually the "Salvation Army's" official insignia, not an officially santioned RCC emblem, but you get the picture...

"If you're down and out, we'll help you out with a slice of bread and a bowl of soup on the one hand, while drenching the cross of Jesus Christ with blood and guts, on the other..?" Huh?

I've seen attempts, even by the Church of Rome itself, to demonize Jesus Christ, and I'm just not sure it's the way to go (to put it mildly).

By "demonize" him, that's not exactly what I meant, but more accurately - make an attempt to bind him &/or contain him, with "blood magic", double binds, quadruple binds, etc. etc. you name it..

anything BUT allow his love, and his eternal wisdom "in", or really allow it, to flow freely to others (unmediated), and from them to one another and even back to him also. So it's more of a self-demonizing process, if anything, simply because it's utterly impossible, to bind something - his love for us all, in God and through God and the living Spirit of God, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow, the Truth, the Life and the Reality - which by its very nature, and susbtance, is already BOUNDLESS, and therefore, UNbounded, in light and love, height and depth and width - with Christ in the father, and with the father where He (they) live, in eternal joy and bliss, the universal standard and measure having ALREADY been "set" in place.

So it's a good thing, for those who would attempt such a thing, and for us ALL really, since we've all infrgined on the integrity of the holy perfection of the law of life and love in some way or another
- that God's forgiveness, is matched only by his sense of Humor, and that his Justice is matched only by his tender Mercy!

Yes it's either funny or so sad it's funny, either way it's funny, at least imho it is, for those with the ears to hear! Ah it gets even funnier!

And hey, what's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say, meaning it also slices both ways!

So we could either tear each other to pieces fighting over a doubled edged sword, or join the human family, with Jesus Christ included (no batteries needed), who, for some among us is the very light of their life and therefore the very best part of themselves as well, the very best part of who they really are, in truth, and in spirit.

So hey let's stop messing around with the human family, THIS GENERATION, surely we must relent and allow the new day to dawn at SOME point down the line.. eh?

For God's sake no one can bind or defend against or repell the love of God, that's an utterly ABSURD and ridiculous notion, right out of the gate!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


We can't blame the serpent for screwing up the environment and the world, we did it. Maybe the devil tempted us but we are messing things up not him. People got greedy and self centered on their own and twisted the meaning of the bible to fit their desired way of life.

None of the religious posturings and musings in the world do anything to evidence the claim of creationism.

Microevolution supports the theory of Macroevolution.