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The Gaping Hole in Paul's Delegate Strategy:

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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:11 PM
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There is no conspiracy. It has been stated from day one, it is open and out there. The subversion and conspiracy lie in Romney's corner. Why have Romney supporters been using subversive measures to stop Paul supporters from openly and legally taking delegates at the convetions? Passing out fake slates, stuffing ballot boxes, trying to start fights.
Ron Paul supporters are playing the political system as it was supposed to be played. This is how the people have to play it to get real change. I guess you want what is coming down the pipe, I will miss your posts, all of them about Ron Paul (I have never seen anyone who dislikes a politician post sooo much about them, especially one that is honest like Paul) while you are off fighting in Iran the war you are planning to vote for and deserve for trying to get others to vote for as well. You better sign up too because I don't want it and you are asking for it.

This isn't a democracy, that is mob rule, this is a republic and true patriots are the ones that are putting in such effort and literally FIGHTING for the leader they want. There is no gaping hole in the delegate strategy, you are witnessing a budding revolution and you are like every weasel in history that tried to talk the people out of it. You would probably alert the authorities if you found out the founding fathers were meeting in secret. Luckily you never change anyone's mind and rarely get a flag. Have a good day.




posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler

The very next day out came the "Unity Ballot" with pre-printed names on it and party leaders "urging" us to vote the Unity Ballot. I asked a few questions and was told that people only got to go to the national convention if it was their turn as a reward for being loyal party regulars over many years. In other words, the ballot described in the paragraph above was apparently just for show. The people going had been picked elsewhere, perhaps behind closed doors.


Interesting you say this. Seems like there is some corruption going on, if you call that corruption...Kind of a grey area. But it makes sense if you think about it. The RNC and GOP do not want crazy people going to their conventions. That's what protests are for...



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by jjf3rd77
 

There is no conspiracy. It has been stated from day one, it is open and out there. The subversion and conspiracy lie in Romney's corner. Why have Romney supporters been using subversive measures to stop Paul supporters from openly and legally taking delegates at the convetions? Passing out fake slates, stuffing ballot boxes, trying to start fights.



Um...What are you talking about? What subversive measures are we doing to stop people from voting for Paul? Why don't delegates pledge support for Ron Paul in the state primaries?

Why are you so pissed off. I am asking a very simple question. would you care to respond to it. I seem to recall asking you this question before and yet you still continue to base all of your statements off the conspiracy theory that you believe. Well, this question blows the conspiracy theory out of the water! Please answer the question without insults or silly propaganda. Thank you!



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Please answer the question without insults or silly propaganda. Thank you!


WOW
- can we have that go to Anti-Paul people too?



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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The gaping hole in the Ron Paul delegate strategy is that he has far less than needed to be the nominee for a reason -more people voted for Romney.

There's nothing that's going to undo this now.

RP fans are making him look bad be coming across as hopelessly delusional.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by EvilBat
WOW
- can we have that go to Anti-Paul people too?


I never insult anyone unless they deserve it. the way I see it, if you can't get past a question without spreading your own propaganda you have already lost the debate/failed at common sense and logical thinking. (This is not meant as an insult, just an observation from time spent here on these forums)
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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If you don't know what kind of subversive tactics are being employed you are so into the "Romney GOP" you are blind. Everything has been manipulated to ensure Romney would be the nominee. I listed a few of the measures that had been taken, but there are plenty more. If they admit to being Ron Paul supporters the GOP changes the rules to keep them from becoming delegates period.

Just like what happened in Lousiana, they changed the rules last minute so Paul supporters couldn't become delegates for other candidates. That is wrong and subversive. Doesn't matter what you think, if Paul supporters attempt and succeed with becoming delegates for candidates that aren't their own there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Changing the rules last minute to help your candidate is much worse and has bigger implications than someone becoming another candidates delegate in hopes of helping their candidate out in the long run.

Most Republicans don't like Romney that is a fact. They have started to tow the party line because they don't like Obama more, but why do you think they bounced from one candidate to another so many times? The only candidate besides Romney they didn't latch onto happened to also be the one candidate the media ignored, the mocked, and actually worked against: Ron Paul.

I am not mad at all, you are the one posting these threads constantly, and supporting the worst candidate for president in the last 30+ years when there is an actual people's choice president for the first time in 60+ years. When you open your eyes and realize this is a movement of hundreds of thousands of people that are supporting the idea of the constitution, liberty, and are against wars, and economic destruction maybe you will see how absolutely foolish you have been. Unfortunately if you got your way when you figure it out you will have already doomed yourself to stew in those foolish actions for 4 - 8 years.
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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because sometimes the greatest danger to one's freedom is at home, and over looked.
The alarm clock is buzzing but the brain dead will zombie walk to Romney, and the one
born every minute to Obama.

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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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The answer to the OPs question is very simple. If RP was smart he would have used some of his ground support to pose as Romney supporters and become Romney delegates because that way the chances of corruption are diminished.

Think about it - if the GOP see enough Romney delegates being placed their sudden rule changes and convention tactics will appear to have worked and they will submit a slate to Tampa that they think swings it for Romney. If they saw lots of RP supporters being elected then they would simply do even more to change the rules.

I am not saying this has happened, but if there are secret RP delegates posing as Romney delegates THIS will be the reason

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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:30 PM
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I don't think they are being delusional at all. They are just fighting to gain ground and spread a message. Even if they don't have enough delegates should they give up on what they believe? The only people that really call them delusional are the people who for some reason spend an equal effort fighting against someone they don't believe is any threat which is bizzarro.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Everything has been manipulated to ensure Romney would be the nominee.

Doesn't matter what you think,.

I am not mad at all, you are the one posting these threads constantly, and supporting the worst candidate for president in the last 30+ years when there is an actual people's choice president for the first time in 60+ years.


See these points right here is what makes you look crazy! You have to believe in the conspiracy to even comprehend half of what you are saying.

Anyway, you still have not addressed the question. Why does Ron Paul need a secret delegate strategy? Why do the delegates just pledge to him in the first place? There is nothing stopping them. Others can pledge to him, so why, if there really is this immense support for Ron Paul, wouldn't all delegates pledge to vote for him? Or at least state majority?

This of course, does not count the popular vote which does matter btw!

I don't like Ron Paul. I don't like Obama. So my choice is pretty clear.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by UKTruth
The answer to the OPs question is very simple. If RP was smart he would have used some of his ground support to pose as Romney supporters and become Romney delegates because that way the chances of corruption are diminished.

Think about it - if the GOP see enough Romney delegates being placed their sudden rule changes and convention tactics will appear to have worked and they will submit a slate to Tampa that they think swings it for Romney. If they saw lots of RP supporters being elected then they would simply do even more to change the rules.

I am not saying this has happened, but if there are secret RP delegates posing as Romney delegates THIS will be the reason

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I guess one could look at it that way! Thank you for actually answering the question as you see it. The Ron Paul idiots will be confused when Romney wins and they will pull more conspiracy theories out of their butts.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by UKTruth
The answer to the OPs question is very simple. If RP was smart he would have used some of his ground support to pose as Romney supporters and become Romney delegates because that way the chances of corruption are diminished.

Think about it - if the GOP see enough Romney delegates being placed their sudden rule changes and convention tactics will appear to have worked and they will submit a slate to Tampa that they think swings it for Romney. If they saw lots of RP supporters being elected then they would simply do even more to change the rules.

I am not saying this has happened, but if there are secret RP delegates posing as Romney delegates THIS will be the reason

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I guess one could look at it that way! Thank you for actually answering the question as you see it. The Ron Paul idiots will be confused when Romney wins and they will pull more conspiracy theories out of their butts.


I actually think RP hoped to win some primaries - that way the combination of his caucus strategy and delegates from primaries may have paid off, but it hasnt worked.

Even if delegates are unbound - i still think RP will only have about 500 at Tampa. He's fought a very good fight - within the rules - and he has most certainly given momentum to a movement that can not now be stopped.

It will not reach fruition this year, but in 4 to 8 years I believe the world will indeed see real change for the better because of the work of RP and others.
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by jjf3rd77

Originally posted by EvilBat
WOW
- can we have that go to Anti-Paul people too?


I never insult anyone unless they deserve it......



Originally posted by jjf3rd77
The Ron Paul idiots will be confused when Romney wins and they will pull more conspiracy theories out of their butts.



Really on the same page you insult many people for nothing.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by EvilBat

Really on the same page you insult many people for nothing.



Once Ron Paul started losing big time in important primaries a number of ATS posters came up with the delegate strategy I questioned. Now, you see trending on ATS posts that claim, "Ron Paul has already won because of his movement." Yeah yeah yeah. That's what every presidential grassroots campaign says when they lose. That's what every candidate says when they drop out!

So yes, Idiots created this crazy scheme out of their butts! Nothing I said was false.
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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OP is a Romney Shill, and is trolling ou buddy.....the facts stand, RP was discriminated against by the GOP...plain and simple...rules were broken blatantly,
Balot boxes were stuffed, and the machinations of the party faithful to get Romney into the POTUS seat, smack of fraudulent behavior at the very east, and are downright decietful for sure.....
If one cannot see what happened to the political process let me tell you again....ITS FIXED!
There is NO democracy in America any more.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by stirling
OP is a Romney Shill, and is trolling ou buddy.....the facts stand, RP was discriminated against by the GOP...plain and simple...rules were broken blatantly,
Balot boxes were stuffed, and the machinations of the party faithful to get Romney into the POTUS seat, smack of fraudulent behavior at the very east, and are downright decietful for sure.....
If one cannot see what happened to the political process let me tell you again....ITS FIXED!
There is NO democracy in America any more.


I have seen no facts to back up your claims...

Why can't I support Romney as much as you guys support Ron Paul. Can't I call you guys Ron Paul shills? We both believe in fixing america we just have different ideas on how to do it. That's hardly a shill!
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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I don't understand what you think I believe is a conspiracy.
It has been plain to see that the media has been guiding the population towards a Romney nomination and the people have pushed against it using every other candidate available. When they leaned a certain way the media would pick up on the story and then bring out whatever they could to end the surge, however they never touched Paul because that is someone they would have a hard time stopping (thought they did bring up the newsletters in the few times he started to get attention).

There is no conspiracy, Romney is connected to Baine, Baine is connected to clear channel comm, CCC is connected to all major media stations. It's not a conspiracy you can look it up yourself. It is conflict of interest to a scary degree.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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This guy doesnt know the difference between a caucus and a primary, he just doesnt get it, Ive been over and over it with him and he still doesnt get it. All this person does is troll Paul threads and create threads like this that dont make any sense...........and not ONE delegate thread said anything other than delegates are free to vote for who they like,,,That really seemed to burn you up inside. And whats your big Romney economical plan you like so much. I think the only reason a guy would like Romney, Is if the guy thought he was cute, is that your deal schill troll.?
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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 05:09 AM
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Can someone explain to me how the delegates are chosen ? How does one become a delegate ?

Thanks.



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