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reply posted on 2-4-2005 @ 06:24 PM by Taishyou

The MiG-29 is a popular plane and often portrayed in the West as a formiddable fighter, but the truth is that it's not that great. Its radar is poor and its missiles are also poor (except the new ones with upgraded radar and R-77s (it was for German Luftwaffe or something... don't remember very well)). It has a low fuel capacity and short range. It's more of a cheap interceptor alternative than a good fighter. I'd be impressed if the F-15 has a perfect score vs. Su-27s or 30s. And with good pilots too. Those Iraqi pilots are no good.

Re the R-77 M1 with ramjet, here are some links
www.answers.com...
www.newsmax.com...
www.bharat-rakshak.com...

Looks like it has alternative name R-77RVV-AE-PD

reply posted on 2-4-2005 @ 06:50 PM by Fenix F 308

Impresisve .
Asolutly uncorect ..
you make me shock (more and more) ,
If you say that B2 is fly at supersonic speed over the space you not shock me so much ..
Unbelivebel .

[edit on 2-4-2005 by Fenix F 308]

reply posted on 2-4-2005 @ 09:31 PM by WestPoint23

Uhh... Fenix a little lost in you words there

And I don't know if the F-15 would have a perfect kill ratio against the Su-30’s with good pilots in them, but I think the Kill to Loss ratio would be higher on the kill side.

reply posted on 3-4-2005 @ 04:37 AM by Daedalus3

yeah yea.. Even I think the F-15s and F-16s have only downed planes from incompetent AFs..that's another story...
what I'm asking for is the pure kill:loss ratio for the F-14 with the phoenix and other gizmos..
it maybe against incompetent/competent AFs..
I just want some figures..

reply posted on 3-4-2005 @ 10:59 AM by Taishyou

www.acig.org...
This is a very good website if you want to know kills during air war. It's very reliable, if it has uncertain figures because of conflicting claims, it will indicate it.

AFAIK the F-14s in service with the USN has never seen air to air combat. Dunno about the latest Iraq war though

However, the F-14s exported to Iran did participate in the Iran-Iraq war, and were very successful
Iranian air victories here
www.acig.org...
However, roughly a dozen F-14s were lost
www.acig.org...

reply posted on 3-4-2005 @ 02:01 PM by WestPoint23

I think the F-14 ahs seen A2A combat although its not much I think in the 80's 2 Libyan Fighters were shot down by two U.S. F-14, other than that I do not know.

reply posted on 4-4-2005 @ 12:30 PM by Daedalus3

Originally posted by Taishyou
www.acig.org...
This is a very good website if you want to know kills during air war. It's very reliable, if it has uncertain figures because of conflicting claims, it will indicate it.

AFAIK the F-14s in service with the USN has never seen air to air combat. Dunno about the latest Iraq war though

However, the F-14s exported to Iran did participate in the Iran-Iraq war, and were very successful
Iranian air victories here
www.acig.org...
However, roughly a dozen F-14s were lost
www.acig.org...

Yes its a good website..been there for IAF vs PAF data..
Saw one close call involving a F-15E..wonder what exactly happened then..
It was a MiG 25 PD interception of an F-15 E..the F-15 E pulled out..

reply posted on 10-4-2005 @ 06:43 AM by Stealth Spy

since i saw some hoax about the IAF's losses during the 1971 war, i decided to post this.

the real figure's of the IAF's losses during the 1971 is here :

IAF's 1971 losses

check these video's :

1 Historic gun camera footage of a Pakistan Air Force F-86 Sabre being shot down by IAF >here

2 Whenever possible, Pakistan air force jets avoided tangling with the IAF. Not so in this case. IAF gun camera footage of another Sabre being crossed out here

3 Historic video footage of now retired IAF Hawker Hunters firing guns and rockets. here

4 An exciting video clip of IAF MiG 21s firing rockets at a ground target. click

5 indian jet kills pakisani jet with a heat seaker missile here

6 Mig-27 bombing video >> here

7 IAF miage 2000 pulvreizes airfield
here

[edit on 10-4-2005 by Stealth Spy]

reply posted on 10-4-2005 @ 11:32 PM by chinawhite

wow bravo u can shoot down a f-86 with a mig 21