"Shills", Ad-Hominem attacks, Ego and posting on ATS., page 1


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Topic started on 5-6-2012 @ 08:09 AM by neformore
Over the past few weeks the board staff have picked up on another round of attempts, by some posters, to try and dictate their own personal point of view by using ad-hominem attacks on other members.


ad hominem Latin [æd ˈhɒmɪˌnɛm]
adj & adv
1. directed against a person rather than against his arguments
2. based on or appealing to emotion rather than reason

Free online dictionary

Lets get something straight here,

ATS is about discussion, and the exchange of ideas.

It most certainly is NOT about witch hunts, and peoples attempts to try and single out posters because they don't like their view, or what they have to say.

Opposing view points do not make someone a "shill"

If you simply can't stand someone having an alternate viewpoint to yours, start a blog and dictate from there, instead of coming to a discussion forum and expecting to dictate a sole viewpoint here.

ATS Terms and Conditions


16) Behavior: You will not behave in an abusive, libelous, defamatory, hateful, intolerant, bigoted and/or racist manner, and will not harass, threaten, nor attack anyone.


Read the relevant parts in bold.

Your opinion of someone is NOT fact. It is opinion, and if it bleeds into topics and starts to cause problems/off topic discussion and or worse, it will be removed.

Its a big world. Differing people see different things in different ways. It beggars belief that anyone posting on ATS is incapable of understanding that, and yet people seem to persist in this schoolyard like endeavour.

Ultimately, such labelling is all about ego. People cannot stand to have their own preconceptions challenged.

Please check your ego at the door when posting on ATS.


reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:02 AM by neformore
reply to post by adigregorio



ATS is an international site. People from all over the world come here to express their opinions.

As long as those opinions don't break the T&C, why do you wish to censor them?


reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:08 AM by tothetenthpower
reply to post by LiveForever8



Be the change you'd like to see. If you are not reporting T&C violations then how are we, a staff of just 70 supposed to comb over the thousands and thousands of posts that come up each day?

Now let's get something straight, a difference of opinion, is NOT a T&C violation. If you alerting things simply on that basis, then of course no posts are being removed as there is no violation.

You have the right to be disagreed with on ATS. It is your job to debate your point until your opponent either bows out and tells you that you are right, or that you are proven wrong.

We can't be responsible for the membership's apathy when it comes to alerting violations. We are NEVER going to catch all them. Never.

We rely on the membership to alert those posts so that we can do our jobs.

~Tenth


reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:16 AM by LiveForever8
reply to post by tothetenthpower



I understand that.

But when I'm reading a brilliant thread that someone has obviously taken hours to compile and some moron is completely ruining it with off-topic rants and personal attacks, and still after SEVERAL reports by myself, nothing is done, what am I to think?

There were plenty of Mods online at the time, I checked.

This isn't silly differences of opinion, quite frankly I like to see the debates that skate on thin ice, the retorts that veer close to the T&C's, it all makes for brilliant reading.

What I object to is the morons who ruin a brilliant thread because they haven't got anything better to do.

Get more Mods if that's what is needed. There are plenty of great people on here who could do the job well.


reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:19 AM by adigregorio
reply to post by neformore



They do break the T&C, note I didn't say all threads expressing negative opinions.

I said HATE threads, do I really need to link them. Methinks not...

I know I will link them eventually. I mean you know it is bad when I sit in the chat and say "Another hate on America thread" And ALL THE PARTICIPANTS in chat know who started the thread, without even looking.

Seriously yo, saying your working on the ad-hominems while leaving out the whole "Hate on America/California" crowd is silly. When a thread pops up (daily) on how we ignorant Americans (hate bigotry speach) are all stupid (more bigotry)

Really, just switch out American for Chinaman (Oops!) Or Chinese. I was going to re-post a few threads, but they were so racist I was ashamed.


reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:22 AM by adigregorio




reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:30 AM by neformore
reply to post by adigregorio



Which part of this thread don't you understand?

You are singling out specific people, in specific threads because you don't like what they have to say.

Peoples views of a particular country are not grounds for removing their posts, unless they break the T&C. Sorry to say it, but certain people are less than enamoured with the actions of various countries around the globe. That is simply the world we live in.

Attacking other members, continually labelling them as "shills" and trying to silence an opposing viewpoint or one you happen to find difficult because of your own beliefs simply because YOU don't like it, by going after the poster is what we are talking about here.


reply posted on 5-6-2012 @ 09:48 AM by Danbones
Originally posted by adigregorio
reply to
post by Danbones



Yeah, and because famous people were bigots that makes it so we can be to!

Check!

Why not step out from under the mods skirts, and address the issue without the sarcastic commentary. WHICH is EXACTLY what the OPost is asking us to not do.

no it isn't

Attacking other members, continually labelling them as "shills" and trying to silence an opposing viewpoint or one you happen to find difficult because of your own beliefs simply because YOU don't like it, by going after the poster is what we are talking about here

this is
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