Pentagon "plane" crash - Where is the plane?

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Originally posted by maxella1---->Well then why didn't the plane brake up prior to hitting the Pentagon?

Contrary to what "certain" pilots for truth want you to belive transport category airplanes don't just break up as soon as VMO is exceeded.

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Originally posted by waypastvne
You can lead a Truther to water. You can damn near drown him in it. But still..........

People are still arguing over whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon? Darn, even the "leaders" of the 911 Truth movement acknowledge that. So we must be dealing with the lunatic fringe element.

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by waypastvne
You can lead a Truther to water. You can damn near drown him in it. But still..........

People are still arguing over whether or not a plane hit the Pentagon? Darn, even the "leaders" of the 911 Truth movement acknowledge that. So we must be dealing with the lunatic fringe element.

Yes we are dealing with a bunch of lunatics that believe the official conspiracy theory.

Originally posted by maxella1
Yes we are dealing with a bunch of lunatics that believe the official conspiracy theory.

Actually, I am a truther. That is why I invested my time, energy and money investigating the Pentagon event for myself and reaching my own conclusions (along with a solid team of other like-minded individuals). ALL of the evidence indicates that a plane (specifically AAL77) crashed into the Pentagon. The only people who believe otherwise these days have either not taken the time to educate themselves or who are mentally unbalanced. Which are you?

Originally posted by 911files

Originally posted by maxella1
Yes we are dealing with a bunch of lunatics that believe the official conspiracy theory.

Actually, I am a truther. That is why I invested my time, energy and money investigating the Pentagon event for myself and reaching my own conclusions (along with a solid team of other like-minded individuals). ALL of the evidence indicates that a plane (specifically AAL77) crashed into the Pentagon. The only people who believe otherwise these days have either not taken the time to educate themselves or who are mentally unbalanced. Which are you?

I also think that a plane hit the building. But I see some strange details about how that happened . You replied to a post where I asked a question and received an insult for an answer, and your reply wasn’t very nice either.

Originally posted by 911files
The only people who believe otherwise these days have either not taken the time to educate themselves or who are mentally unbalanced.

Is that so? I know for a FACT that the Pentagon is in possession of SEVERAL videos that show what hit it, and I have taken SIX YEARS to educate myself. It took them almost THREE YEARS to show us EDITED FRAMES with DELIBERATELY REDUCED RESOLUTION, and they confiscated private surveillance video WITHIN MINUTES. I don't see anything on the Pentagon that even slightly resembles the imprint of a 757, while this same type aircraft penetrated two steel walls in lower Manhattan as if they weren't even there. I see very SCANT evidence of an aircraft on the lawn in front of the building and nothing that even remotely resembles what I expect to see after a 757 hits a concrete wall.

I see, instead, EXTENSIVE evidence of a missile or drone, something much smaller than a 757 which is corroborated by the five frames that were released. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In spite of all this you say that you believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Good for you, but you're calling ME mentally unbalanced?

There are WAY too many people who are self-professed experts in psychology and psychoanalysis these days. Drink DEEP from that Kool-Aid, so called "Truther".

reply to post by SimontheMagus

Is that so? I know for a FACT that the Pentagon is in possession of SEVERAL videos that show what hit it, and I have taken SIX YEARS to educate myself.

Prove it!
I think you are blowing hot air. Prove the existance of these videos!

It took them almost THREE YEARS to show us EDITED FRAMES with DELIBERATELY REDUCED RESOLUTION, and they confiscated private surveillance video WITHIN MINUTES.

Prove the resolution is reduced.
More hot air.
You have no clue what model of camera was in use that day.

I don't see anything on the Pentagon that even slightly resembles the imprint of a 757, while this same type aircraft penetrated two steel walls in lower Manhattan as if they weren't even there.

Why do you expect to see a cartoon imprint on the side of the building?
There have been many planes impacting the sides of mountains or hillsides. Have you ever seen any picture of a cartoon like impact remaining after these crashes?

I see very SCANT evidence of an aircraft on the lawn in front of the building and nothing that even remotely resembles what I expect to see after a 757 hits a concrete wall.

Show us a picture of the after effects of a large plane hitting a concrete wall so we know where you got your expectations.

I see, instead, EXTENSIVE evidence of a missile or drone, something much smaller than a 757 which is corroborated by the five frames that were released.

Drones don't leave smoke trails. So that leaves missiles.
Show us any missile or drone that leaves a large orange fireball when it goes off.
Show us any missile or drone that explodes when it hits the first building but then continues through two additional buildings.


You are flat out wrong.

Originally posted by samkent
Show us any missile or drone that leaves a large orange fireball when it goes off.
Show us any missile or drone that explodes when it hits the first building but then continues through two additional buildings.


You are flat out wrong.

You'll get your proof of the reduced resolution later in the day when I have time.

Originally posted by samkent
reply to post by SimontheMagus

 

Is that so? I know for a FACT that the Pentagon is in possession of SEVERAL videos that show what hit it, and I have taken SIX YEARS to educate myself.

Prove it!
I think you are blowing hot air. Prove the existance of these videos!

infowars.net...

FBI Withholding 84 More Tapes of Pentagon on 9/11
Magically Only 1 shows impact so why not release the rest?

Steve Watson / Infowars | May 17 2006

The FBI is withholding at least another 84 surveillance tapes that were seized in the immediate aftermath of the attack on the Pentagon.

There is an ongoing lawsuit to get these tapes released via the Freedom of Information Act. The FBI has admitted in a statement to attorney, Scott Hodes, representative of Mr Scott Bingham who runs the website www.flight77.info... that they have these tapes, that they have already analyzed them and are still keeping them under lock and key.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus

Originally posted by 911files
The only people who believe otherwise these days have either not taken the time to educate themselves or who are mentally unbalanced.

Is that so? I know for a FACT that the Pentagon is in possession of SEVERAL videos that show what hit it, and I have taken SIX YEARS to educate myself. It took them almost THREE YEARS to show us EDITED FRAMES with DELIBERATELY REDUCED RESOLUTION, and they confiscated private surveillance video WITHIN MINUTES. I don't see anything on the Pentagon that even slightly resembles the imprint of a 757, while this same type aircraft penetrated two steel walls in lower Manhattan as if they weren't even there. I see very SCANT evidence of an aircraft on the lawn in front of the building and nothing that even remotely resembles what I expect to see after a 757 hits a concrete wall.

I see, instead, EXTENSIVE evidence of a missile or drone, something much smaller than a 757 which is corroborated by the five frames that were released. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. In spite of all this you say that you believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Good for you, but you're calling ME mentally unbalanced?

There are WAY too many people who are self-professed experts in psychology and psychoanalysis these days. Drink DEEP from that Kool-Aid, so called "Truther".

Someone in another post linked Scott Bingham's efforts. Scott abandoned his efforts in 2007. I took them over and secured the release of additional videos. And indeed, that process continues, but the one has nothing to do with a plane hitting the Pentagon. If you wish to continue in fantasy land, suit yourself. But if any one of you would get up from behind your computer and actually do some work, you might actually answer some of your lingering "questions". In the meantime, after personally securing the release of many of the remaining videos, getting the FAA to release their information (yes, I took them to court, you don't think they released their records out of the goodness of their hearts do you?), assembled a team of some of the best radar and data acquisition guys on the planet to review all of the data we obtained, secured the release (at my own expense) of the Noble Eagle statements, actually traveled to the site and interviewed the people first hand and secured the ACPD dispatch audio from the officers watching the event unfold firsthand, and on-and-on I could go, I have absolutely no doubts that a specific plane hit the Pentagon, AAL77.

In the meantime, to support "no plane" hitting the Pentagon there is NOTHING. Just a bunch of kids and lazy people talking trash on an internet forum. Good luck with that.

PLEASE KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL -- THE TOPIC, THE DEBATE

.......... and not each other. Casting aspersions at each other, ad hominem remarks, insults will not be tolerated.

Short version: Please be civil.

Thank you

reply to post by argentus


I have no intention of being civil. After six years of this nonsense, I'm sick of "no plane" BS. The victims on-board those planes and their families deserve better. Every reputable 911 Truth site/blog has banned these sick individuals, but I reckon ATS has no sense of decency.

Originally posted by SimontheMagus


infowars.net...

Problem #1 ... do not listen to Alex Jones!!!

FBI Withholding 84 More Tapes of Pentagon on 9/11
Magically Only 1 shows impact so why not release the rest?

Here is a list of the tapes in question:

The list of 85 videos

Five videotapes were recovered from the post-attack Pentagon crime scene and submitted to the FBI Laboratory in Quantico.

13 videos were obtained by the Defense Protective Services (DPS) - Pentagon Police - on 9/25/2001 from individual filming Pentagon site from Boundary Channel Drive. These included footage from the WTC site in the days after the attcks.

One (1) Beta video tape - interviews in NYC
One (1) DVCAM tape labeled "Twin Towers, World Trade Center" - NYC/WTC
One (1) DVCAM tape - suburban setting, unknown individuals, dated 9/12-13
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/21-22
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC/WTC, 9/22-23
One (1) DVCAM tape - NYC 9/23
One (1) DVCAM tape - interviews in NYC; 10 seconds of Pentagon footage, but not crash site
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information
One (1) DVCAM tape - no recorded video or audio information

8 videos were received on 10/11/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected during consent search of residence in Avanel, New Jersey. Pending case on subject.

One (1) damaged Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape
One (1) Sony MP-120 8mm video tape

Videos received on 10/15/2001 at Quantico. These videos were collected from surveillance cameras at multiple Kinko's in South Florida.

One (1) TDK 1-160 VHS video tape
One (1) VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape
One (1) SONY T-160 VHS video tape

Video received on 10/22/2001 at Quantico. This video was recovered from garbage at residenced in Neenah, Wisconsin by the Neenah Police Department. Investigation on suspect has been closed.

One (1) damaged VHS video tape and housing

Received at Washington Field Office Command Post

These two video tapes included footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene taken by DOD media pool photographers, and were obtained from Navy Rear Admiral Craig Quigley.

One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "1 of 2" & "early 6pm 9/11/01"
One (1) Betacam BCT-30G video cassette, labeled "2 of 2" & "early pm 9/11/01"

Also received at the Washington Field Office Command Post:

One (1) VHS video cassette - witness interviews near Pentagon after the attack
One (1) VHS video cassette, labeled "9/11/2001" - footage of post Pentagon crime scene, obtained from Chief Mastin, Prince William County
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video casette, wrapped in Pentagon map and labeled on back "1/29/1952 Mohan Shresesa 8/2/2018 Todoroki Japan 9/17/01 3:00 hr Fern/So. Rotary" - Home video taken from car, dated 9/17/2001,showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene very briefly from road (~10 seconds)
One (1) FujiFilm DP121 video cassette, labeled "WJLA-TV" - miscellaneous footage from news reporter, dated 9/18/2001
One (1) Sony MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video, DC sightseeing
One (1) TDK HG Ultimate TC-30 video cassette - Home video, unknown date, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Maxell DVM60SE mini digital video cassette - Home video, dated 9/17/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)
One (1) Sony Hi8 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/11/2001 showing ~6 seconds of Pentagon footage (not crash site)
One (1) TDK Hi8 MP 120 video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing post-crash Pentagon crime scene
One (1) JVC MP120 8mm video cassette - Home video obtained by DPS on 9/21/2001, showing brief footage of Pentagon (not crash site)

Videos filmed on 9/26/2001 by FBI Forensic Audio-Visual Analysis Unit (FAVIAU) of post-crash Pentagon crime scene.

One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape
One (1) original SONY 40 min. Digital Betacam video tape

Continued:

Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory in Quantico, Virginia, under cover of communication dated 2/19/2002, all depicting WTC footage.

One (1) Betacam video tape
One (1) HDCAM video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Betacam SP video tape
One (1) Mini DV video tape maked in part Antonio M.
One (1) DVC PRO video tape
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5A of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1056 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1471 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1788 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1808 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1813 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B530 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B729 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1563 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1051 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1787 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B2406 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "1B1276 COPY 5 of 5"
One VHS video tape marked in part "CNN RE: BURN VICTIM..."
One VHS video tape marked in part "NIGHTLINE 2/15/2002"

Videos submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico, under communication dated 5/13/2002.

One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) Sony SDX1-25C video tape
One (1) TDK 8mm video tape

Video obtained by FBI on 9/28/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of WTC after attacks, obtained by Suffolk County, New York Police Department.

One Hi 8mm video cassette tape from Eileen McMahon

Video obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001 and submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico on 5/28/2002. Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 showing footage of second plane hitting WTC and aftermath.

One Mini DV 60 video cassette tape

Video submitted to FBI Laboratory, Quantico under cover of communication dated 9/22/2001. Obtained by FBI NK from Dime Savings Bank, Nutley, New Jersey

One TDK T-160 VHS video tape

Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by NBC4 Washington reporter, with footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) home Video of the terrorist attack on the Pentagon.

Video from DEA HQ security camera atop 700 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, VA. Camera repositioned after attack to show post-crash footage of Pentagon. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape

Home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by tourist traveling past Pentagon and then by AP photographer who borrowed the camera. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) videotape

Copy of home video filmed on 9/11/2001 by AP photographer using camera borrowed from nearby motorist. Footage of post-crash Pentagon crime scene shortly after attack. Provided to FBI on 9/12/2001.

One (1) duplicate video cassette tape dated 9/11/01

Video from cameras at Reagan National Airport parking garage. Both video files show smoke in the distance coming from direction of Pentagon. Obtained by FBI on 9/13/2001.

One (1) CD containing 2 video files

Video from security camera at Citgo Gas Station, 801 S. Joyce Street, Arlington, Virginia. Submitted to FAVIAU to determine if video showed impact of plane into Pentagon. Determined not to show impact. Obtained by FBI on 9/11/2001.

One (1) JVC EHG Hi-Fi videocassette, labeled Day 11 Quarters K

Video from security camera at Doubletree Hotel, 300 Army Navy Drive, Arlington, Virginia. Security video showing rotating footage from different camera locations at hotel; no camera captures impact of plane into Pentagon.

One (1) TDK video tape marked "11C"

Images captured by two separate cameras at the entrance to the Pentagon Mall Terrace parkinng lot. Images capture the impact of the plane into the Pentagon from two different cameras. Obtained from the Pentagon Force Protection Agency via USA/EDVA.

One (1) CD-ROM
www.flight77.info...


Can we please now STOP the madness about these videos???? Jesus H. Christ.

Originally posted by 911files
In the meantime, to support "no plane" hitting the Pentagon there is NOTHING. Just a bunch of kids and lazy people talking trash on an internet forum. Good luck with that.

edit on 8-6-2012 by 911files because: (no reason given)

It's been almost 11 years and still, all we have are five doctored frames where even a child with a little Lego Movie-Maker experience can tell that some are missing. If they have nothing to hide, why not just release everything? Show us what hit the Pentagon and we'll all happily shut up. Until that happens, then all YOU are talking is trash.

Originally posted by Six Sigma

www.flight77.info...


Can we please now STOP the madness about these videos???? Jesus H. Christ.

What exactly is all this stuff you posted? Where is the photo/video showing anything even remotely resembling a 757 approaching and/or hitting the Pentagon?

And your link is bad.

Can we please now STOP the madness about these videos???? Jesus H. Christ.

As you can see they won't.

reply to post by SimontheMagus

What exactly is all this stuff you posted? Where is the photo/video showing anything even remotely resembling a 757 approaching and/or hitting the Pentagon?

If you bothered to read his info you can see that most of the tapes doesn't show any part of the attack.