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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 08:39 PM
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I recently made a thread expressing my view on the Diamond Jubilee and why Australia should become a republic, yet I only recieved ONE reply???

For such an important issue as it is and Australians don't even want to discuss it? Our head of state is the British Monarch, therefore Britain still holds sovereignty over our nation as well as the 16 other countries that share the monarch. When will we finally break free, and if there are any Canadians on here can you tell me about your situation in Canada?

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 08:58 PM
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Do we get a long weekend for this mate?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Maybe Australians are just more "politically chilled-out" than other nations? Threads on US politics seem to generally do well and often get quite heated but other countries sometimes run out of steam on the first page. Don't feel bad, we're all doomed no matter where we live.
The Globalists are coming to buy up every utility and shop they can, before they milk the market.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by repeatoffender
Do we get a long weekend for this mate?


You can't be serious?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by repeatoffender
Do we get a long weekend for this mate?


You can't be serious?


you sure your an Aussie, it wasnt hard to see i was taking the piss then.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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And change the system to what? Que the endless arguments.

If becoming a republic means that we become as screwed up as America with all its self centred conflicts of interest I would rather be here, don't mess with a machine that works. I know a monarchy still has its problems, but with the head of state on the other side of the world it does provide some impartial advice to regional issues. Find a better way and I will get on board, until then better the devil you know.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
And change the system to what? Que the endless arguments.

If becoming a republic means that we become as screwed up as America with all its self centred conflicts of interest I would rather be here, don't mess with a machine that works. I know a monarchy still has its problems, but with the head of state on the other side of the world it does provide some impartial advice to regional issues. Find a better way and I will get on board, until then better the devil you know.


Actually becoming a republic is remarkably easy, a parliamentary republic is what I want because this way the governor-general will become the President and replace the role of the British Monarch therefore ending British sovereignty over us. Its not a matter of IF but WHEN, we are not yet a country until we have our own flag and our own head of state, grow up Australia.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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The simplest answers are usually the best, but there are a few technicalities with the implementation. With the queen no longer head of state, what is to stop corporate power or special interest taking a more powerful position? How are the problems of power creep to be addressed? Through executive orders the US can now kill and go to war just on the word of the president, it did not start out this way. With our head of state on the other side of the world and already quite a busy person with a few other countries under her belt, she just has not got the time or inclination to micro manage. With a head of state here and running around the country he/she is going to be a big pain in the butt throwing around their power.

There was already a referendum on this issue about 15-20 years ago and while the queen is still in power a change is not going to happen, she is just too popular with too much division on how to change. When the queen goes I am sure this topic will come up again for public debate. So relax and do you homework, I am certain that a change will happen one day and we are going to need some good ideas when that day comes, it could 5 or 500 years from now, with the way things are set it will be when the public is ready.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by kwakakev
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The simplest answers are usually the best, but there are a few technicalities with the implementation. With the queen no longer head of state, what is to stop corporate power or special interest taking a more powerful position? How are the problems of power creep to be addressed? Through executive orders the US can now kill and go to war just on the word of the president, it did not start out this way. With our head of state on the other side of the world and already quite a busy person with a few other countries under her belt, she just has not got the time or inclination to micro manage. With a head of state here and running around the country he/she is going to be a big pain in the butt throwing around their power.

There was already a referendum on this issue about 15-20 years ago and while the queen is still in power a change is not going to happen, she is just too popular with too much division on how to change. When the queen goes I am sure this topic will come up again for public debate. So relax and do you homework, I am certain that a change will happen one day and we are going to need some good ideas when that day comes, it could 5 or 500 years from now, with the way things are set it will be when the public is ready.


Like I said before, nothing will change except different positions of our government will be given new titles, ie, the military will no longer be "royal", the governor-general will be "president" and so on.

The funny thing is Aussies say "don't change the system, leave the flag cause its' our history" sort of argument is just riduculous, Australia hasn't even started yet so we have no history of our own to speak of.

If people don't want to change the system, then the least we cn do is steal some of Mary of Denmarks children to create our OWN royal family...



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I recently made a thread expressing my view on the Diamond Jubilee and why Australia should become a republic, yet I only recieved ONE reply???

For such an important issue as it is and Australians don't even want to discuss it? Our head of state is the British Monarch, therefore Britain still holds sovereignty over our nation as well as the 16 other countries that share the monarch. When will we finally break free, and if there are any Canadians on here can you tell me about your situation in Canada?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


if it ain't broke...

Seriously, of all of the problems in the world right now, becoming a republic doesn't even rank.
There are SO many other things that we should be concerning ourselves with, the relevance (or lack thereof) of the monarchy, and our relationship to the nation that gave rise to ours, isn't even a blip on the important issues radar.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by Awen24

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I recently made a thread expressing my view on the Diamond Jubilee and why Australia should become a republic, yet I only recieved ONE reply???

For such an important issue as it is and Australians don't even want to discuss it? Our head of state is the British Monarch, therefore Britain still holds sovereignty over our nation as well as the 16 other countries that share the monarch. When will we finally break free, and if there are any Canadians on here can you tell me about your situation in Canada?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


if it ain't broke...

Seriously, of all of the problems in the world right now, becoming a republic doesn't even rank.
There are SO many other things that we should be concerning ourselves with, the relevance (or lack thereof) of the monarchy, and our relationship to the nation that gave rise to ours, isn't even a blip on the important issues radar.


What do you mean "if it ain't broke", we aren't even our own nation yet so you can't say that. The republic issue is the most important thing in Australia atm and should be fixed immediately. The relationship hsn't given "rise to Australia" how could you be so blind? We have a foreign monarch as our head of state, and our flag represents subservience to a foreign power. We have yet to rise as a nation because our sovereignty is currently held by another nation. Let the Queen die an early death and LONG LIVE THE REPBULIC OF AUSTRLIA!!!!
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital

Originally posted by Awen24

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
I recently made a thread expressing my view on the Diamond Jubilee and why Australia should become a republic, yet I only recieved ONE reply???

For such an important issue as it is and Australians don't even want to discuss it? Our head of state is the British Monarch, therefore Britain still holds sovereignty over our nation as well as the 16 other countries that share the monarch. When will we finally break free, and if there are any Canadians on here can you tell me about your situation in Canada?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


if it ain't broke...

Seriously, of all of the problems in the world right now, becoming a republic doesn't even rank.
There are SO many other things that we should be concerning ourselves with, the relevance (or lack thereof) of the monarchy, and our relationship to the nation that gave rise to ours, isn't even a blip on the important issues radar.


What do you mean "if it ain't broke", we aren't even our own nation yet so you can't say that. The republic issue is the most important thing in Australia atm and should be fixed immediately. The relationship hsn't given "rise to Australia" how could you be so blind? We have a foreign monarch as our head of state, and our flag represents subservience to a foreign power. We have yet to rise as a nation because our sovereignty is currently held by another nation. Let the Queen die an early death and LONG LIVE THE REPBULIC OF AUSTRLIA!!!!
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Right.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 06:54 AM
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Unlike you I am a patriot I care for this country and I want her to succeed, it's Britons like you who should go back to Britain if you love the Queen so much. Let us become our own nation nd stop holding us back.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 07:30 AM
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Australia has one of the least intelligent, and most politically apathetic populations on this planet. I've written about that before. In environmental and economic terms, I love living here, but most of the people are vermin.

It's appropriate that we're becoming a proxy of America, for the simple reason that we have so much in common, culturally.

a] The country began with the massacre of an indigenous population.
b] Our climate is largely similar.
c] Land mass is reasonably similar, although the US is still somewhat larger.

d] We both have predominantly white, Anglo/Celtic populations, although America got a larger initial demographic from Ireland, which is the reason behind the American accent. Australia's population was more from England.

e] We were initially a Christian country, although that is changing. Melbourne (the capital of our southeastern state) has been the host of the worldwide Atheist convention for the last several years.

f] I attribute America gaining its' independence to its' heavier Irish concentration, as well. Any Republican movement in Australia has consistently had its' basis in this country's Irish minority. The Irish are one of the most restive, emotionally volatile, and violent branches of the human race.

If you want to live among a population who have integrity, backbone, intelligence, a real desire for freedom, or who give half a damn about either their politics or anything else, I'd suggest moving to northern Europe; either the Netherlands or Scandinavia.
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posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by petrus4
...most of the people are vermin...


Or, alternatively, you are a hyperbolic sociopath.


If you want to live among a population who have integrity, backbone, intelligence, a real desire for freedom, or who give half a damn about either their politics or anything else, I'd suggest moving to northern Europe; either the Netherlands or Scandinavia.


Shut the door on the way out willya?



To the OP:

The notion that Australia is somehow not 'a country' or nation because it has not become 'a Republic' is a waste of thought-time. Further - declaring that anyone who does not similarly espouse this silly notion is not a legitimate citizen of the nation, is verging on w*nkerism.

There are relatively compelling arguements why Australia should become a Republic, but bl**dy hell, "You're not Australian, unless...", is a wasted shot mate.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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Sigh. Makes me want to move to Melbourne to get away from all the religious crap in America.



posted on Jun, 5 2012 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by Hardfelt


Originally posted by petrus4
...most of the people are vermin...


Or, alternatively, you are a hyperbolic sociopath.


Grented; "Vermin," may be slightly excessive...but not much. Have you ever been to Sunbury? Certain parts of Sydney also spring to mind.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
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Unlike you I am a patriot I care for this country and I want her to succeed, it's Britons like you who should go back to Britain if you love the Queen so much. Let us become our own nation nd stop holding us back.


At this point, I'd like you to step back and realise that all of your "arguments" for a Republic of Australia, up to this point, have been emotive, rather than rational, logical or persuasive.

You fail to indicate how being a colony of Britain prevents us from "being our own nation" (it doesn't),
fail to show how being a colony of Britain is "holding us back" (it isn't),
and generally fail to make any form of persuasive argument. Instead, you've descended into a personal attack on my patriotism, slandered me as a "Briton" (which in itself isn't a slanderous term, but the manner in which you've used it is), and told me to "go back to Britain", which is truly interesting given that my family goes back over 100 years in this country... and I've never even BEEN to Britain.

More than that, nowhere in my posts, either previous or present, have I expressed any desire to retain Australia's status as a British colony. Rather, I have simply stated the plain truth: that there are much more pressing concerns on Australia as a nation, and upon Australia as a member of the international community, than her status as a colony or as a republic... and any political movement toward becoming a Republic, or any referendum taken on the topic, at this point, is a mere sideshow to the main event: the collapse of the world economic system.

To focus on such a thing now, at this point in time, is foolish.



posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by Awen24

Originally posted by CrimsonKapital
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Unlike you I am a patriot I care for this country and I want her to succeed, it's Britons like you who should go back to Britain if you love the Queen so much. Let us become our own nation nd stop holding us back.


At this point, I'd like you to step back and realise that all of your "arguments" for a Republic of Australia, up to this point, have been emotive, rather than rational, logical or persuasive.


For some reason I get the impression that you are surprised by this fact. I can only assume that you possibly have not had as many interactions with Australians as I have. If you had, you probably would not be expecting compelling rational arguments from them.


You fail to indicate how being a colony of Britain prevents us from "being our own nation" (it doesn't),
fail to show how being a colony of Britain is "holding us back" (it isn't),


Yes, but again, the post in question was probably made while the poster was under the influence of copious amounts of alcohol, and/or certain other controlled stimulants which this forum does not permit me to name, but which have as a side effect, the ability to radically augment the pre-existing Australian tendency towards primal, violent rage.
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posted on Jun, 6 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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Alright I will fill in some./
The canadian public in general views the monarchy as welfare queens, yet, it seems their elitist ideas have permeated our society. If you don't want to work and pay huge taxes, you are a bum and worthless.
Socialism creates class warfare. If you don't want to participate in the corrupt system, they are reluctant to help you with things you already paid for in taxes.
The coffers are ever-expanding, yet wages have been frozen for a while it seems.
You cannot live on a trade job like you could in the 80s or 70s

I'm sick of the elder generations talking smack about us for problems they helped create.
There is a big disconnect



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