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Queens Jubilee - Unemployed bussed in to steward river pageant

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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
How can you possibly know what is correct or not when it hasn't even been investigated?



I didn't say correct.... I said FACT

It is a fact that people were mistreated, the Company that organised it already apologised, why apologise if you did nothing wrong?

I stated two facts and that's what they are.... FACTS




The Guardian, etc, had 2 witnesses saying they felt exploited. The Daily Mail found 2 that said they hadn't. Wait for the investigation before making judgement.



I'm not making any judgements... I'm saying to even call an investigation into this, there must have been something worth investigating... the company already apologised.
People had to sleep under bridges, were unable to get to toilets and had to work 14 hour shifts... after having no sleep because of a "logistical error" and them arriving two hours before their shift was due to start.





I would also add that i have found a similar tale to the DM in several other news outlets.



Uh huh.... And I will also add again.... where are these sources, you keep talking about them and I have asked for them.... yet you wont post any?

Hmmmm

Strange that




posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:11 AM
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I do not necessarily disagree with you here but lets just wait and see what the investigation says first - it may turn out to be nothing or it could be a blatant case of exploitation.

I have unemployed before (long time ago) - would certainly hate to be unemployed these days.

I have mixed feelings about work schemes. I see the point and can kind of applaud of the logic. However, i can also see how these schemes can be easily exploited by some in order to gain unpaid labour forces - that simply isn't right.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:14 AM
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Not my job to provide sources for you. Do your own search and you will find some - worked for me.

And to endlessly bash the DM is just funny. Whether you like it or not, it is no more or less biased than any other publication. There are no independent news outlets in the UK.

People had access to toilets - the same as everyone else (portaloos).
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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There are NO sources, that's my point.

Only the Daily Mail is saying what they are saying, nobody else.
I already checked, ages ago... whcih is why I'm asking for your "sources"




posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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I do voluntary work 3 days a week and one evening a week. I volunteer for a charity in my town. I certainly would rather be doing this than sat on my arse doing nothing. There are things that unemployed people can do. We are crying out for volunteers at our charity. We have just had a young graduate start with us, who did a marketing degree, but cant find any paid work, so she is doing marketing for the charity as part of the workfare program.

So I certainly believe there are things that can be done by unemployed people that will give them good experience and give something back to the community. My problem is when private companies get involved. Profiting from tax payers money, providing "work experience" that appears to be exploitative. Just seems like a cheap form of labour that private companies will be quick to exploit.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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I have found it in several places.

Interestingly enough, i have not seen that an investigation is to be carried out, only that 2 Jags has called for one.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Before the jubilee started, there was a thread lamenting the idea of commissioning a "royal boat" that is essentially a boat to be rowed by her Royal Majesty's slaves. It also talked about the attention grabbing laser show.

The slaves bit was rather comical, and I read it in jest. Telling myself yea, the symbolism is there but of course it will be rowed by well-paid specialists and those who wish to do it.

Seems it was not comical at all. Indeed, her "heinous" was most certainly graced with a fine display of serfdom for the wonderful jubilee.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Sorry mate, but no matter which way anyone cooks it it's still wrong to use people as cheap labour.

It's disgraceful that a company can bus people around the country and use it as a 'trial' for a later event whilst still charging for their labour.

A fair days pay for a fair days work - it's pretty straight forward.

As for the reporting of it - all sides of MSM have a particular bias and agenda - you are more than capable of looking through all the bollocks and taking an independant and balanced viewpoint given the facts available - and in this instance it was simply wrong.
But it's just another example of companies being able to exploit labour thanks to Cameron's policies.

As for people whinging - well, yeah some people do seem to moan about more or less anything and everything - but then again some people, more by the day, do so with justification as they see things getting worse, many are actually experiencing quite a lot of hardship - it's hard to smile and remain positive when your life's going tits up.

Some people do have it pretty crap, through no fault of their own, and it's getting crapper.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:30 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
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I have found it in several places.



No you haven't... you're lying.




Interestingly enough, i have not seen that an investigation is to be carried out, only that 2 Jags has called for one.



Prospects Group have launched the Investigation.. Today, Thursday.

LINK

www.google.com...

www.google.com...


See those links?

They're sources... they are what I need from you, otherwise you're talking **** mate.


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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:35 AM
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I agree that maybe unemployed could, or even should, do some sort of charity work.
But I can't fail to see the irony in forcing someone to do charity work.
It would be far better if they volunteered.
Unfortunately for many charity work is viewed as something pinko liberals or middle-class women do to ease their conscience.
Obviously that's complete nonsense but true nonetheless.

Perhaps charities could do with a bit of an image overhaul etc from some PR firm....shouldn't be necessary but we live in a real world.
edit on 7/6/12 by Freeborn because: Spelling, grammar, clarity etc



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:38 AM
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I learned a fresh "newspeak" term today. "Forced voluntary work". Writing that down.

Man, whoever said ATS wasn't useful is clearly wrong.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:41 AM
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Listen to the woman that runs Close Protection UK Molly


Molly Prince, managing director of Close Protection UK, accepted that "logistical planning errors were made".
"The whole situation has been exaggerated", she told James Naughtie, but admitted that the arrival in the morning was "badly handled".
"We're not in the business of exploiting cheap labour", she said.


audioboo.fm...



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:43 AM
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Well okey dokey, read this link then link

Towards the end of the article you have a director at the Charity involved stating that they cannot validate the accuracy of the criticisms with those involved. This and similar statements are present in various other articles concerning this.

Interestingly enough, seeing as you are making this personal, for someone parroting links your Belfast Telegraph one doesn't work.

Also, the company involved is investigating the claims. That is certainly not the same as a Parliamentary investigation!



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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I agree everyone should be paid a fair days wage for a days work. However, is it exploitation if those involved do not feel exploited? I confess i do not know on that issue. Part of me wants to say yes but part says no, of course it isn't......

All i am saying is we should wait for more info to emerge. If people have exploited, fine bash the companies involved. If not, will the Guardian, etc, be apologising for slander? (as that is what it amounts to).

Should all know by now that nothing is black and white in the media, mainly because most of the content is made up.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
Well okey dokey, read this link then link

Towards the end of the article you have a director at the Charity involved stating that they cannot validate the accuracy of the criticisms with those involved. This and similar statements are present in various other articles concerning this.




Well I guess we'll see wont we, not quite the kind of link I was after, certainly not Daily Mail-esque in its denial.
One line in an article from someone trying to cover their ass.... Uh huh








Interestingly enough, seeing as you are making this personal, for someone parroting links your Belfast Telegraph one doesn't work.



Actually it does.





Also, the company involved is investigating the claims. That is certainly not the same as a Parliamentary investigation!



I don't recall saying it would be a parliamentary investigation?
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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I couldn't agree with your more on that point Freeborn. The charity Im at is dominated by middle class women (turning up to work in the families 2nd Mercedes) , who in my opinion are bloody useless. They are lovely people, don't get me wrong, but couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. It's frustrating being a volunteer and not really having the power to implement the changes I believe need to be made. Still it keeps me out of trouble and I love doing it, just wish I could implement some of my own ideas.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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whoops
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 09:52 AM
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A managing director covering their company in a press conference.

Nooo waay.

To be less of a twit about it, I'll just say I'll wait for what the preliminary investigation comes up with, instead of what the company mouthpiece says.

Also, to add:

Confession of incompetence is never considered proper defense in either justifying a wrongful scenario, or pardon from wrongdoing in a court of law. (At least in most courts..)
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posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Fair enough, i took it you were meaning political investigation rather than company investigation. My bad, i apologise.

Just have to wait and see the outcome.



posted on Jun, 7 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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For my sins, i haven't done any voluntary work for a long time now. However, back in the day, being proactive volunteers was encouraged. I take it this isn't the case anymore? Wouldn't surprise me sadly as everything needs vetting first these days......



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