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Federal Law Proves All Delegates Are UNBOUND! All Delegates Must See This!

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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 03:20 PM
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Links from the video description where Matt is getting his data from:
Daily Paul
Daily Paul
Lybrary.ConstantContract (PDF)
Cornell.edu

Well now since the soruces are out of the way - Lets get down to business.

We have all heard about rule 38 (Roberts Rules of order) and the controversy behind it and how some think it doesn't apply to any/all states. While partially true - it is no longer needed to prove that ALL DELEGATES are unbound.

I'll give you a brief summary of what Matt is talking about in the video.

Apparently there is a federal law that prevents the party rules/laws from binding delegates.

From the Daily Paul:


11 CFR 100.2(e): ( www.gpo.gov... ) Defining a national convention as a "Federal Election" for the purpose of electing a candidate for federal office. Which states:

“(e) Caucus or Convention. A caucus or convention of a political party is an election if the caucus or convention has the authority to select a nominee for federal office on behalf of that party.”

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42 USC 1971 - Sec. 1971. Voting rights: ( us-code.vlex.com... ) Which states:

"No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, or coerce any other person for the purpose of interfering with the right of such other person to vote or to vote as he may choose, or of causing such other person to vote for, or not to vote for, any candidate for the office of President"


probably one of the most important posts...


"Delegate qualifications are in fact more closely tied to the voting process than practices that may cause vote dilution, whose coverage under § 5 we have repeatedly upheld. Virginia, like most States, has effectively divided its election into two stages, the first consisting of the selection of party candidates and the second being the general election itself."


What does this all mean?

Based on federal law (check the Cornell link for the full article) Since the RNC is nominating a candidate to a federal position... federal law presides over the GOP rules/laws therefore nullifying the rule that delegates are bound to the winner of the primary states.

In other words DELEGATES who are seated in Tampa can vote for whoever they want on the first round. They cannot be forced or coerced in any-way-shape or form.




posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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They will probably have to kill him now.
For once I am not joking or trying to be funny.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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Weren't some members at the Buildeberg meeting held this passed weekend jokingly (or seriously?) saying that they should get rid of him? But this was just word of mouth tho so the validity of that statement needs to be taken with a grain of salt.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:17 PM
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If I were a delegate forced somehow and it doesnt look like they will be, I would just not vote.......BUT IF IT WAS ME I would vote Paul regardless ,,,Id die before voting Romney, much less worry about some legal scare tactic that would cost too much to pursue.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:26 PM
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WOW not a single Paul delegate troll yet, maybe they gave up.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:41 PM
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Got to love a good twist! I wonder what will happen next?
Perhaps the law will be changed, or simply not enforced.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by ugie1028

In other words DELEGATES who are seated in Tampa can vote for whoever they want on the first round. They cannot be forced or coerced in any-way-shape or form.


this is all that needs to be said right here ^ !!!


Louisiana GOP spirals into chaos as Ron Paul delegates injured, arrested


The conflict hinged upon an alleged violation of the state party’s rules by Chairman Roger Francis Villere, Jr., who’s headed up the LAGOP since 2004. Paul supporters claim he called upon a former Rules Committee chairman, who had been defeated the night prior, in order to implement rules that would marginalize Paul’s delegates. That’s when Alex Helwig, a Paul supporter who’d claimed he had won the race to chair the rules committee, stood up and objected to the chairman’s actions, only to be ignored.

As Helwig’s protest continued, cameras caught Villere saying: “This is not debatable. He is the chairman of the rules committee. I would ask you to sit down. We told you to sit down… I’m going to ask you to be seated, or I’m going to have to ask you to leave. I’m going to have you escorted out if you don’t leave.”

“Mr. Villere, with all due respect, it pains me to do this,” Helwig responded. “I supported you in your run for Lt. Governor. You are a good man.”

“This is not debatable,” Villere replied. “I don’t need this.”





What was that again about not being "forced or coerced in any-way-shape or form"
seems like those in power ARE VERY afraid of Ron Paul, they are doing their damned best to ignore this LAW.

When will the people wake up to this and realize our Officials know these laws they are not ignorant to what Ron Paul is doing, whats saddening is RP his supporters and his delegates are all following the rule of law respectfully and they are being Forcibly coerced ignored and belittled by those already in power.

Wake up people take control of your democrazy!



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 04:57 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
Ah, so this is today's clutching-at-straws thread from the Paul-worshiping loonies.

A glance at previous results of Republican primaries, and the subsequent delegate count at the Republican National Convention, shows that the man who secures the nomination doesn't lose any delegates at the RNC (on the contrary, he gains loads from those who have dropped out of the race) - it's merely a formality.

Seriously, you Paulbots need to man up and GTFU. Your ''boy'' has taken a battering at the primaries, and it's clear that the Republican voters favour Romney.

No amount of whinging, crying, straw-clutching and acting like babies will alter reality.

Get over it.



what was that about clutching straws?

you should re-read your post my friend and leave out the school yard name calling it does NOT help your argument in fact I have no clue what your argument is?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by -W1LL

Originally posted by ugie1028

In other words DELEGATES who are seated in Tampa can vote for whoever they want on the first round. They cannot be forced or coerced in any-way-shape or form.


this is all that needs to be said right here ^ !!!


Louisiana GOP spirals into chaos as Ron Paul delegates injured, arrested


The conflict hinged upon an alleged violation of the state party’s rules by Chairman Roger Francis Villere, Jr., who’s headed up the LAGOP since 2004. Paul supporters claim he called upon a former Rules Committee chairman, who had been defeated the night prior, in order to implement rules that would marginalize Paul’s delegates. That’s when Alex Helwig, a Paul supporter who’d claimed he had won the race to chair the rules committee, stood up and objected to the chairman’s actions, only to be ignored.

As Helwig’s protest continued, cameras caught Villere saying: “This is not debatable. He is the chairman of the rules committee. I would ask you to sit down. We told you to sit down… I’m going to ask you to be seated, or I’m going to have to ask you to leave. I’m going to have you escorted out if you don’t leave.”

“Mr. Villere, with all due respect, it pains me to do this,” Helwig responded. “I supported you in your run for Lt. Governor. You are a good man.”

“This is not debatable,” Villere replied. “I don’t need this.”





What was that again about not being "forced or coerced in any-way-shape or form"
seems like those in power ARE VERY afraid of Ron Paul, they are doing their damned best to ignore this LAW.

When will the people wake up to this and realize our Officials know these laws they are not ignorant to what Ron Paul is doing, whats saddening is RP his supporters and his delegates are all following the rule of law respectfully and they are being Forcibly coerced ignored and belittled by those already in power.

Wake up people take control of your democrazy!




The cop asking for the gentlemans cell phone at the end absolutely disgusts me. He has no right to the mans phone, it's evidence, hogwash, it won't be once you take a hold of it.

We need to fight these bastards, the time is running out. It's put up or shut up time.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:26 PM
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again you're argument is? can you refute the law that was discovered in the OP? if you cannot then... well you're two rants here really dont hold any water.

also the insults you're flinging do not help your cause either. you're blaming RP supporters for being whiny crybabies when you are doing the exact same thing....
edit on 6/4/2012 by ugie1028 because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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Excuse me but who the hell are you? I don't support Ron Paul so you can drop that attack right away. However, something is clearly amiss with all the delegates non-sense. Arrests being made, obvious corruption and so on. Does Ron Paul have a chance? No. But his supporters deserve their voices (votes) to be heard. Ron Paul as a candidate deserved more media time devoted to him than he got. And every American should be outraged and furious that this nonsense has been allowed to go on. It doesn't matter if you support him or not, you should be supporting your fellow Americans rights instead of degrading them.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:32 PM
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ignoring the will of the people you represent, and making their votes worthless is treason, and nothing to be proud of

ron "11%" paul has no business winning the nomination, even by cheating


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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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What cheating? This is federal law... no delegates are bound... how is that cheating?

2nd



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:45 PM
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name calling is a necessity when debating ? I missed that rule in my debate class.

on topic again RP is not doing anything illegal as sphinx is trying to slander, the only ones committing any crime are those who are forcibly coercing other delegates on how they vote they are not following the proper procedure as the video I posted shows the delegates for liberty are following the law and being ostracized and ignored for it.

again the point is clear RP does have support and a large number of these delegates who support him have that right to vote for him you can speculate all you want on who will win and who will loose until the votes are counted you are just guessing and wasting your time arguing all the while the parties you support are laughing in your face and using this fraudulent voting system to control the outcome of what is supposed to be OUR vote.

I say fraudulent because of the previous video and the media manipulation of the current parties in power use this system illegally as shown in the numbers and the media coverage or lack there of.
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posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:10 PM
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Originally posted by ugie1028
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What cheating? This is federal law... no delegates are bound... how is that cheating?

2nd


Its only cheating in the eyes of the voters. To a politician its just playing the game. The reason Paul is reduced to stealing delegates is because nobody voted for him. Of course this entire process is one of a private organization that can do whatever it wants. However I can see no way they would ever allow a candidate who not only did not win the popular vote of the primary but, pretty much came in dead last, to move on to the general election. You would piss off the vast majority of the party who did not vote for him and then have an unpopular candidate going up against a stong incumbent. What would be the point?



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by ugie1028
again you're argument is? can you refute the law that was discovered in the OP? if you cannot then... well you're two rants here really dont hold any water.


My argument was adequately stated in my two previous posts (pre-modding
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My point does hold water, as it doesn't matter whether a loophole in the law exists or not.

The fact of the matter is that Mitt Romney will secure the Republican nomination after tomorrow night's primaries, and the apportioning of delegates at the RNC is nothing more than a formality - tenuous legal loophole or not.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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I thought he already 'Secured' the nomination when he supposedly took Texas... Now he's securing it again tomorrow? Yea THAT makes sense...





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