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Maybe because they've lived in the region for a couple thousand years? Wtf does that have to do with the bible other then corroborating it? Or is that what you're actually scared of?
Why must you people always rant about two different things at once? We were talking about religious governments were we not? It's a pathetic way to handle an argument buddy.
That still does not mean that it's practiced in reality. It may have, if Israel was under a religious government which sees the Talmud as law, but Israel is not a religious country.
I'm not big on religion(s) but it's the equivalent of many things in the Quran which suggests that Muslim are, or should be, superior to everyone.
The American Red Cross was hosting a blood drive at my university today so a friend and I stopped by. I would find out an hour later that my identity as a Palestinian was unverifiable.
Before donating any blood, nurses drew a blood sample and, following standard procedure, asked me a series of questions about my medical and travel history. When asked if I had traveled out of the United States within the last three years, I told the nurse that I had spent time in the Gaza Strip in Palestine. She couldn’t find it in the database.
For the next fifteen minutes, the nurse searched every plausible variation of the words Palestine and Gaza and even searched entire geographical regions.
“I remember seeing it there before,” she told me just as she called a field office for technical support.
By this time, she had committed the details of my travels to memory. “The donor flew to Cairo and took a four hour car ride to Gaza, in Palestine. He stayed there for four weeks and then returned, by car, to Cairo.”
The call lasted for quite a while. The nurse was put on hold repeatedly as managers on the other end of the line searched for themselves.
After just under an hour of waiting, the Red Cross’s support line instructed the nurse to list my travel destination as Israel. I had finally been verified to donate blood — but only at the expense of my own personal, cultural, ethnic, and political identity.
According to the nurse, the Red Cross updated the software system used by its mobile units a few months ago. One of its changes apparently includes the removal of Palestine from its database of international travel destinations.
I doubt that the Red Cross no longer recognizes Palestine or its people but in today’s climate, when Presidential hopefuls liberally deny Palestine’s existence and international news agencies such as the BBC actively defend their censorship of the word Palestine, I’d be hard-pressed to rule this conclusion out completely.
The Red Cross has an extensive history of working with the Ramallah-based Palestine Red Crescent Society (equivalent to the American Red Cross) and has even gone as far as pledging financial support to hospitals in Gaza. This non-recognition is therefore rather surprising. But it is also quite telling of how far reaching the effects of an illegal occupation can be.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by DeadSeraph
Maybe because they've lived in the region for a couple thousand years? Wtf does that have to do with the bible other then corroborating it? Or is that what you're actually scared of?
I've noticed that people who talk about how they lived there for thousands of years.... usually ignore the fact that according to their own history... they violently took over the land from another people.. the Canaanites.
I guess its because that piece of history is waaaaaay way too ancient to be relevant today. For some people, history begins only AFTER Israel was established.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by IsraeliGuy
I wrote : "Why make the Arabs pay with their land for the crimes of the Germans?"
Why must you people always rant about two different things at once? We were talking about religious governments were we not? It's a pathetic way to handle an argument buddy.
I'm not ranting about two different things at once.
It is a very valid question.... If the jews got roughed up by the Germans, why make the Arabs pay for it?
Ignore it all you want but its a valid question.
That still does not mean that it's practiced in reality. It may have, if Israel was under a religious government which sees the Talmud as law, but Israel is not a religious country.
When I brought up the Talmud in this discussion, I was responding to another member who was portraying Palestinian people in the light of the Hamas charter. I referred to the Talmud to put things into perspective... i.e - If Palestinians can be judged by whats in the Hamas charter, then the jews can be judged by their literature.
As for "not being practised in reality", the same can be said for the Hamas Charter as well. Given how weak the Hamas are militarily against Israel, one can also say that the Hamas charter is not "being practised in reality".
I'm not big on religion(s) but it's the equivalent of many things in the Quran which suggests that Muslim are, or should be, superior to everyone.
The Korans definition of "muslim" includes the children of Israel and the people of Moses...i.e - Jewish holy figures.
Secondly, no matter how you try and spin it... Islamic laws regarding non-muslims are nowhere as supremacist as some of these "gems" from the Talmud.
"If a gentile hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed."
"A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work."
"When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. "
"What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."
"All gentile children are animals."
"Gentile girls are in a state of filth from birth."
Sure, these things are not practised in reality (I hope), but its still there in the Talmud.
edit on 10-6-2012 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)
I've noticed the fact that the modern day Palestinians aren't caananites.
Also, funny you should bring up the talmud. Should we bring up all the ridiculous things the Quran says about "infidels?" or jews for that matter? You are a liar.
The honeymoon between Hamas and the Syrian regime is now officially over.
Since the eruption of the uprising against Bashar Assad’s regime nearly a year ago, Hamas had refrained from taking sides. Its declared policy was that the movement did not interfere in the internal affairs of Arab countries.
(...)
But now that Hamas has left Syria, its leaders are finally able to voice their true feelings. Last Friday, Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh chose Cairo as the venue for expressing his movement’s support for the Syrian people’s efforts to get rid of the regime.
Haniyeh said that Hamas “lauds the Syrian people who seek freedom, democracy and reform.” This one sentence was enough to signal the end of a long honeymoon between Assad’s regime and Hamas.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by DeadSeraph
I've noticed the fact that the modern day Palestinians aren't caananites.
And modern Europeanized Jews aren't the ancient Israelites who lived on that land thousands of years ago.
So those modern Europeanized jews have no entitlement to that land.
"If a gentile hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed."
"A Jew need not pay a gentile the wages owed him for work."
"When a Jew murders a gentile, there will be no death penalty. "
"What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep."
"All gentile children are animals."
"Gentile girls are in a state of filth from birth."
Originally posted by Danbones
fuuny the christians say that israel had the right to do this because palistinians didn't have a country
well, I guess that means Hitler had the right because the Jews didn't have a country
israel
say "thank you !" to uncle adolf and auntie joe
edit on 4-6-2012 by Danbones because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mike_trivisonno
There are no "Palestinians".
They are just a raging mob of ultra violent muslims engaged in Jihad in an effort to spread Islam and Sharia in the way of their warlord prophet, Mohammed, and in celebration of the Allah deity enshrined in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
in celebration of the Allah deity enshrined in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.