1984 by George Orwell, is this what we are becoming?

It's a big "if", but lets just say the 'War On Terror' and all that are part of the New World Order scheme of those in power. Ok. They are gaining more and more control over us each day because of their so-called need for this control to protect us from terrorists. The more control and more surveillance they can have on us makes us more vunerable to this new world order because they can implement it without objection because it will be subjective and whoever defies/denies this order will be found eventually due to inabilty to go places without leaving a trace that their still on the "grid" and will be forced to accept new world order.
Interest theory, give suggestions?

Eventually after securing control for many years then it'll be like 1984

[edit on 3-10-2004 by TheBigD]

I personally don't believe so, because of several reasons.

1) I don't believe in the NWO (made a thread about it, somewhere's in one of the stickies).

2) We have enough of a 'flowing' government that no one group of peoplei i going to maintian control long enough to implement a powerful control network.

3) The WoT won't be everlasting. Either we will contain it to the point we are no longer a serious threat to the West as a whole (I don't believe they are a serious threat now, but theya re gaining steam), or islamic terrorist networks will collapse. The whole thing with Orwell is that he had faceless meganations fighting eachother. Well, the terrorists are neither faceless nor very powerful.



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Originally posted by Esoterica

3) The WoT won't be everlasting. Either we will contain it to the point we are no longer a serious threat to the West as a whole (I don't believe they are a serious threat now, but theya re gaining steam), or islamic terrorist networks will collapse. The whole thing with Orwell is that he had faceless meganations fighting eachother. Well, the terrorists are neither faceless nor very powerful.

Good point, i feel that America will just change its policy on terrorism over the next few years. It will prove too costly and waste of resources

Originally posted by TheBigD
It's a big "if", but lets just say the 'War On Terror' and all that are part of the New World Order scheme of those in power. Ok. They are gaining more and more control over us each day because of their so-called need for this control to protect us from terrorists. The more control and more surveillance they can have on us makes us more vunerable to this new world order because they can implement it without objection because it will be subjective and whoever defies/denies this order will be found eventually due to inabilty to go places without leaving a trace that their still on the "grid" and will be forced to accept new world order.
Interest theory, give suggestions?

Eventually after securing control for many years then it'll be like 1984

[edit on 3-10-2004 by TheBigD]

that's the plan. it has been for a hundred years, or perhaps a thousand ot two?
the department of homeland security has just started prying into VISA records. they are getting access(not all banks are cooperating, YAY!) to canadians' VISA records, carte blanche, on ANYONE in the name of the war on terror. we are ALL being profiled. information is power, and big brother knows everything about YOU. there is nowhere to hide except in plain sight. at some point, we may actually have to get off our collective arse, and grab a pitchfork and a torch, and let out the old tried sand true mob power.

two minutes of hate -bush and co. 'terror alerts'.
newspeak -'terrorism', the great blanket with which to enable all control programs, and demonise all dissidents.
some more: collateral damage, friendly fire, limited nuclear warfare, preemptive strike, axis of evil, liberate, freedom(that one's the best, HA!), threat, WMD's, news you can trust, your trusted news source, and that's the way it is, ....i could go on, but i haven't time.
ministry of truth -mainstream big box media and powerful staged events like nick berg as an undercurrent.
ministry of justice -abu gharib, guatanamo bay(legally, it's practically outerspace), the patriot acts I and II, .....can't wait for III, the internment and extermination act
ministry of love -aids(created by the NWO), condoms, (increasingly not a good idea to be promiscuous), and increasingly overt temptation(hiphuggers, implants, MTV), .......frustrating, no?

so, to all the naysayers on this thread, REPORT TO ROOM 101 for reeducation!

[edit on 3-10-2004 by billybob]

The UK as nothing more than an American airstrip? Yeah, I can safely say that's happened already.

And I'd like to remind everyone that although the war on terror will fizzle out, troops and bases will NEVER leave the countries affected. Just look at Vietnam/Cambodia/Korea.

Originally posted by Oisin
The UK as nothing more than an American airstrip? Yeah, I can safely say that's happened already.

And I'd like to remind everyone that although the war on terror will fizzle out, troops and bases will NEVER leave the countries affected. Just look at Vietnam/Cambodia/Korea.

And there are those who still try to calim the US is not an imperialist nation

As for the orwellian.. too late its here with doublespeak on faux news etc.

I just want to point people to one of my favorite films: BRAZIL (by Terri Gillingham of the mony python crew). This film is essentially MontyPython doing 1984... must see, brilliant.

Never seen it, cheers for the tip

Originally posted by Corinthas
I just want to point people to one of my favorite films: BRAZIL (by Terri Gillingham of the mony python crew). This film is essentially MontyPython doing 1984... must see, brilliant.

Terry Gilliam, you mean? XD

*stickler for all that is Monty Python*

Originally posted by TheBigD


Eventually after securing control for many years then it'll be like 1984

[edit on 3-10-2004 by TheBigD]

What I seemed to have noticed when I read 1984 was that it was more control on the mind then anything, unless thats what you meant. Sure you were monitored, but the whole purpose of "Big Brother" was to essentially brainwash and control minds via false information, and hearing what they wanted to hear.

brazil.... my parents told me that movie is weird. no wonder! they are blue pillers in the land of denial, hopelessly dependant on fox news. i got 1984, have not got a chance to read it yet, when i can pry my self away from the information box, i will read it.

Originally posted by Esoterica

2) We have enough of a 'flowing' government that no one group of peoplei i going to maintian control long enough to implement a powerful control network.

So Americans please do us all a favour, keep the flow and vote against that idiot whos in charge at the moment.

The irony of it all is that Orwell wrote that book as a satire and criticism of socialism that was getting strong in Britain in those days.
The exact opposite, what I like to call fascisto-capitalism (money over everything, corporations controling the goverment), is leading us into the orvelian society.

Sometimes it does indeed seem impossible that we will ever reach such level of control. But on the other hand, one should never underestimate the stupidity of people and their willingness to accept convenient lies in certain situations.

true, the word terrorism is vague enough that anyone who dessents could be labelled as a terrorist.
Plus while the government may implement changes to law/taxation due to crisis' that occur, they never dispose of those changes when the crisis goes away, example. americans are still paying taxes put in place by abe lincoln to pay for the civil war!

[edit on 19-10-2004 by genuineninja]

jkn.com...

According to the latest studies, Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras - one for every 14 people in the country - and 20 per cent of cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.

Use of spy cameras in modern-day Britain is now a chilling mirror image of Orwell's fictional world, created in the post-war Forties in a fourth-floor flat overlooking Canonbury Square in Islington, North London.

Originally posted by paperclip
The irony of it all is that Orwell wrote that book as a satire and criticism of socialism that was getting strong in Britain in those days.
The exact opposite, what I like to call fascisto-capitalism (money over everything, corporations controling the goverment), is leading us into the orvelian society.

I don't think Orwell was talking about some future Britain at all. He was describing the Illuminati in vague terms from the point of view of an insider. Meaning 1984 is required rereading for all conspiracy buffs!

First of all, the main character, Winston, is a member of a group, "the Party", with enormous power. They control everything, including history, with a massive web of terrorized, social isolated, brainwashed, and loyal agents. These people are mostly unaware they are even part of a vast conspiracy of oppression that keeps the entire population, themselves included, enslaved.

Orwell mentions that 85% of the people are "proles." Proles are regular people who think they are free but are really "labor slaves" for the Party. From the point of view of a party member like Winston, Party members are simply gifted to a better life because of breeding.

Early in the book, Orwell mentions that this hypothetical country-continent has some 300 million people. That number is a pretty good projection from Orwell's time for North American.

What better analogy for the Illuminati/NWO? I believe that Orwell is letting us know that he has inside information into the function of this elite group of individuals. In the proper light, 1984 is little more than the methods and operations of this group of people in the global sphere.

Every aspect from disappearing people within the ranks to the brainwashing members within the ranks are features often attributed to the Illuminati. I truly believe Orwell was telling a lot more than a good story with his book.

Jon

George Orwell is a clever book, and old estern germany was a peepshow... and where are they now?