Were you in the "Gifted Program" ?, page 21


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reply posted on 2-2-2013 @ 08:37 PM by Human2
For what it's worth, here's my (quick) history:

I was moved into the "advanced placement" program in middle/high school. Basically just taking classes ahead of the average student. We took college classes in senior year. I'm sure this is normal, but I'd like to share this bit in case. I never bothered to look this up. I was put into a training program in 2nd or 3rd grade. I was told that part of the day, I would go to a separate room in the school to train other students in speech. I don't remember much beyond that. Also, every year I would have to see the school doctor to get a physical where he would touch my genitals. In one case, he actually picked up used gloves from the counter, they were flipped almost inside out so I know they were used.

Apparently that is normal though.

My mother told me that her parents, both masons, told her to avoid exposing me to any vaccines. This was achieved through moving me to 7 or 8 schools through my education career. My stepfather was extremely abusive. Some of the things I was exposed to were psychological and physical torture. In one case, I was told to find a stick big enough for him to beat my brother with. If I brought back something inadequate, he would beat us both. I was told to wipe my bottom with only one square of toilet paper. I was also punished by being forcing into a corner, head between my knees, and he would push on my neck until I cried violently. etc etc

1st and 2nd grade is kind of hazy in my mind, but I do remember a few strange cases that were sexual in nature. I don't care to explain that in detail, but there were 3rd parties involved, not my parents.

Also, in 3rd grade, I was attending a swim class for half the year. Every time we changed clothes, the male gym teacher (I am male also) would watch. In one instance, a fellow student approached me with his genitals about 2 inches from my face and said "what are you gonna do?" This was while the teacher watched and did nothing.

Also, and this might not be relevant at all, but both of my grandparents belong to the Knight's Templar and Eastern Star, masonic groups. Grandfather is 33rd degree, and I don't know what my grandmother is ranked. And the history of my biological father is very mysterious. I found that no matter how much legal trouble I found myself in, I always managed to get out of it with 100 dollar fines. That includes a few felonies.
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reply posted on 12-4-2013 @ 11:47 AM by onequestion
reply to post by Roundtree



i went from the gifted program to the adhd class, back into the gifted program. after that they made me take a bunch of tests and put puzzles together. then they asked me what i wanted to do and said i can do anything. after that i told them to put me in programming classes and i was one of the top script kiddies in the school after like 2 months. thats all between 7th and 9th grade.


reply posted on 12-4-2013 @ 11:56 AM by sulaw
reply to post by Roundtree



Not sure if this constitutes as gifted but I'll throw it on the board anyway. Chapter 9 / in 3rd-4th grade. It was for dislexic children. Now the part that is now throwing me for a loop is. Majority of the time when I attended they sat us infront of a computer. Think of that a Dislexic young individual infront of a computer.... I had and still do at time have a problem with not reading punctuation marks.... Phenominally fast at reading but they said that I don't retain the information.... So in essence it was to slow me down... How that translated into computer time playing video games and learning to type is a bigger conspiracy imho than the class itself..... Now i'm very tech savy and haven't ran accross a program I can't learn. It's not rocket science.... But I feel I could grasp the concept of that and be successful if I put my mind to it.... laymanly stated my learnt aptitude is off the charts.


reply posted on 12-4-2013 @ 01:29 PM by WhiteAlice
Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
I was placed in the gifted program in the 5th grade for scoring exceptionally high on a statewide test.

Oddly enough, we mainly did aerobics and studied Greek mythology of all things, even dressing up for a mock toga party complete with grape juice! LoL

I thought it was kinda creepy, and I didn't really see the point.
I'm not into any type of classism, segregation or social discrimination and the program somehow made me feel more socially isolated than I already felt.


First of all, I want to say that, after pondering the program myself for a few months, I obtained access to an university database where I read roughly 1000 abstracts on the subjects of the gifted programs and gifted research taking place between the 19th century to the present. Surprisingly, less than 10% of the abstracts were available in their full pdf version irrespective of time period. Probably the most consistent source that provided pdf variants were articles from the Gifted Child Quarterly, the academic journal run by the National Association of Gifted Children. Interestingly enough, the wiki only cites the UK version and only makes a small remark about an US version (of which the aforementioned Gowan was the president of in the late 70's). I've looked at many old documents in regards to curriculum subjects and ideas that were used to instruct the gifted.

Legislation drafted and passed by Congress from 1958 in the form of the NDEA and later into the Javits Act created the gifted programs. It initiated the search for gifted children through what was called Project Talent and eventually culminated, as intended, into gifted programs nationwide. Each of the 50 states is mandated to have a gifted program. Congress, for whatever reason, decided that the individuals who were to be in charge of these programs should be from the fields of psychology and psychiatry--not education though the research and programs were frequently performed by educational psychologists.

The Greek mythology unit was most likely used to emphasize what was called in the gifted program, "the Hero's Journey". Instead of summarizing it, I'll simply leave links that I know that all you former bright kids can figure out. If I had to guess though, I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why you all had a toga party was to put yourself into the Greek mythos, even to possibly subconsciously stimulate the vision of oneself as being part of the Greek mythos in the role of the hero:
mdk12.org...

Ironically enough, in the late 60's to the present, there was a good deal of research and concern being expressed for gifted students' "attitude problems" and "sense of isolation". Never once did any of these papers make the correlation that being identified and pulled out of classrooms to learn radically different from one's peers material as being a factor. Bit of a logical fallacy there and this radical difference in education is precisely what my youngest expressed after being recently placed into the program herself. She was no longer having math classes with her normal classroom or even covering the same math subjects. Instead, she's learning about prime numbers, Euclid and perfect numbers, numeric patterns, Meresenne primes, and playing with cryptex. Her remark about this just last week was "I feel kind of lonely because I can't talk to my friends about what I learned as I don't think they'll understand it. I don't feel as close to them anymore."

The response by these gifted "educators" to the sense of isolation, as their concern was that we would become so isolated from the rest of society that we would no longer act in benefit to that same society, was referred to as "character building" exercises. Basically, manipulating our characters through lesson, practice and deliberate exposures through a variety of media, in such a way that we felt a sense of obligation to society. Anybody remember what the god Odin did?

I can honestly say that there was some seriously sketchy lines of thought that were occurring, sometimes for decades, within the top researchers of their time periods in regards to gifted program education. For any that recall bizarre medical like tests, a small number of gifted were used for biofeedback experiments, EEGs, and MRI's to basically monitor the differences in neural activity between us and others. You can find those in a google scholar search.


reply posted on 12-4-2013 @ 01:36 PM by WhiteAlice
Originally posted by sulaw
reply to
post by Roundtree



Not sure if this constitutes as gifted but I'll throw it on the board anyway. Chapter 9 / in 3rd-4th grade. It was for dislexic children. Now the part that is now throwing me for a loop is. Majority of the time when I attended they sat us infront of a computer. Think of that a Dislexic young individual infront of a computer.... I had and still do at time have a problem with not reading punctuation marks.... Phenominally fast at reading but they said that I don't retain the information.... So in essence it was to slow me down... How that translated into computer time playing video games and learning to type is a bigger conspiracy imho than the class itself..... Now i'm very tech savy and haven't ran accross a program I can't learn. It's not rocket science.... But I feel I could grasp the concept of that and be successful if I put my mind to it.... laymanly stated my learnt aptitude is off the charts.


Kind of ironic but my child, who was recently placed into TAG as I mentioned in the prior post, was sent home with a piece of paper informing "parents/guardians" that her school had been selected to be a pilot school for a new program called "Typing Agent". The link given on the paper is typingagent.com.... We found it humorous because they tested her typing speed and found her to be a very fast typist already. Doesn't say so on the site but the theme of the games are of the child being a "secret agent". Plan on poking around on it myself to see what it is. *Cheesy and boring as hell. Maybe more graphically appealing to a much younger child but yeah, it's about typing. Haven't found anything "secret agent" about it yet, lol.
edit on 12/4/13 by WhiteAlice because: added the * section as I got off my duff and checked it out.



reply posted on 16-4-2013 @ 10:22 PM by SweetKarma
reply to post by Bleeeeep



I just wanted to say, that in my case, I was literally put on the books and they watched me mature. Any physician trained in the USA today knows who I am, by name, face, or other medical data, with information about me contained in over 5,000 books, last count. (They used to send us a list of the books....) Does it make me special in any way? No. I just wanted you to understand that yes indeed some kids were put on the books and followed as they matured in the early 1960's. It was a pet project of the University of Minnesota. I've never been able to find much information about the project online.

I just remember them having the authority to place me into school before the age deadlines, which they did, and they had the authority to have me taught as they saw fit, which they did, as I showed, like another person who has responded, the ability to master college level material at the 4th grade. From then on I was given what would now be considered to be a custom education.

And like for many, throughout life, it's been more of a curse than a blessing. If you converse and discuss things in the level YOU understand, then you are accused of being a "know it all". If you are female, men are intimidated by you. Everyone that knows you are intelligent, thinks that you use that intelligence for nefarious purposes. How can I say this? It's what I've experienced in life, through these past nearly 50 years. I look back and it all just makes me kinda smile. *LOL*

Have a great week.
SK



reply posted on 16-4-2013 @ 10:33 PM by SweetKarma
reply to post by WhiteAlice



Wierd- I remember the EEG's and other neuro tests too being done once a year (at least). Funny you brought it up, because I remember being VERY young- in the age range of 3 or so, and my mother was making sure I was prepared and not scared about the tests they were going to do to me.

Hey thanks- for the nice memory....

SK


reply posted on 17-4-2013 @ 03:23 PM by WhiteAlice
Originally posted by SweetKarma
reply to
post by WhiteAlice



Wierd- I remember the EEG's and other neuro tests too being done once a year (at least). Funny you brought it up, because I remember being VERY young- in the age range of 3 or so, and my mother was making sure I was prepared and not scared about the tests they were going to do to me.

Hey thanks- for the nice memory....

SK


Not sure if the thanks was sarcastic or not, lol. I figured that I would mention the presence of that research being on google scholar because I'm quite sure that there are others that probably remember medical testing as well. They were definitely curious about us, that's for sure. From what I could glean from the abstracts on the EEGs and biofeedback was that they were looking for differences between what makes somebody gifted against other iq ranges. They also did MRIs of gifted children from what I've found. I find it irritating that they are continuing to do it when, considering the whole thing is run by psychologists, you'd think somebody would go "hey, how does this make the kid feel?" .

Anyways, here's a MRI differences one where you can preview the images with the document. As much as it annoys me, it's still kind of interesting because its' a pretty major contrast: www.sciencedirect.com...

And I can totally relate to your prior post. I always knew that there was nothing wrong with my looks in the minds of boys in high school and that my lack of boyfriends had everything to do with my mind. I'd also add the complaints of people saying I think too much are also a problem as well as people complaining that I'm actually their head hurt because I'm forcing them to think too much. Both of those are pretty frustrating, too. Definitely a mixed blessing.
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