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Were you in the "Gifted Program" ?

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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 05:10 PM
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reply to post by Evan_Dood
 


Off topic but I too recall watching the "Voyage of the Mimi" in school. That series was the premier of a young Ben Affleck




posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Yes ...

I was Early 80s from 1980 to 1984 ( Age 10 to 14 ) In a Place three Towns Away around 3 Collage's



The Government had Project of Different Branches of Levels
anything from Mental y to Physical to the Supernatural

Why The Russian's AKA USSR Soviets at the Time were Doing the Same thing
if People have done their Homework

and Im sure I and the Children that were Involved were were not the Only ones
I assume this went within the Whole Nation

as from the Post of Members say they Were then I think they did ...

as These Gifted Programs were around since the 60s I believe Children were also
Labeled Hyperactive or Having Learning Difficulty's ... as to which the Program used to Cover Up
the Actual Truth ... of the One's That the American Government took a Pleasing too

more Less Looking for these Type of People at a Early Age from those type Programs ..

Something right out of a Comic Book ( X - MEN ) Literately ...


( The Real Deals of Super Humans/ Talent )

Stan Lee's Superhumans ( History Channel )
www.history.com...

Super human BIOS
www.history.com...

Meet the Superhumans -- Videos of People With Extraordinary Skills
www.asylum.com...

The MK Ultra was First used to see the Effects on Certain Drugs in Civilian and Military life
in difficult situations in the 50s

Then....

It Started to Expand and Branch out to Talented People and People Out of the Normal Realm ...
in the mid 60s to Im Guessing Still Going On ...

Finding the Real X men or I should Say X Children

Now its Not Natural Selection or Natural Mutation Anymore ...

Superhumans
Like it or not, in a few short years we'll have the power to control our own evolution
by Robert Taylor, New Scientist
October 1st, 1998
www.geneticsandsociety.org...



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 05:17 PM
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The gifted program I was first put in was called "Star Reach". I was first put in during 3rd and 4th grade. Changed schools a lot in 5th grade so I didn't participate, but in 6th and 7th grade I was back in but the school just called it Gifted class.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 05:56 PM
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When I was in second grade (ages 6-7) I had the experience of being pulled from my class once a week and going through a program called "spree" (I have yet to find out what this was) where I was paired up with other children and we all played the game Mastermind for a couple of hours under the supervision of a couple of counselors. I presume that since I was reading at 12th grade level at that time they were testing me for such a purpose, however I have not been able to find out anything about the program since.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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I remember being in the gifted program from third grade until seventh. The earlier years we did a lot of stuff with computers that the other classes didn't have access to. We would do exercises with programming which I found highly enjoyable. When I hit sixth grade it was geared more toward advanced mathematics which I had less of an interest in.

For the first couple of years they did bus us to a centrally located school, but once I was in fifth grade we had our own class that we did three times a week. Not sure of the conspiracy of it all, but nothing would surprise me. I will say I am glad that we went further in depth into computers and programming, it was nice to discover my path at such a young age.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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I have two degrees. An Associate's Degree in Electronic Engineering and a Bachelor's Degree in Philosophy.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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if Aliens portrayed their abductions of humans as an interview for a gifted program, not as many people would complain about anal probes.

Abductees would probably just say they took some tests.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:20 PM
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Great thread....I have an interesting role in this...we had "advanced" classes and I was not in them, but my mom got pissy with the school district saying that I should be in them...and she was wrong because I was not a very good student..however they let me in the advanced reading and at first I had a really really hard time, but then It just clicked...its like I had to adapt to it and I found the stories we read in the class were way more interesting. Sometimes I think the advanced classes pull the more enthusiastic teachers which always make class more fun no matter what you are learning. Cool thread!



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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My region it was called Pearls Program and your on target, as far as I'm concerned; that they in fact had a watchful eye on us. I used to have to leave my class and go to the principles office for nothing just to take another test at his desk as he left I would sit there for a few minutes but by this point I was so indoctrinated with the material that I saw a test thought oh good. I started to like them, taking them that is...Mind you I was in 4th grade on my way to fifth but as a yard stick they started to pull me out of that class and put me in 5th grade math and English classes amongst others. I did okay I guess...by time a reached 5th grade I had a 12th grade reading level and was technically one point shy of being a genius....It's my estimation that combined with the school budget being Swiss banker cheesed and the amount of sodium fluoride I drank as a kid it had to have a regenerative effect on my brain. I recall that it was common for me to have colorful dreams as a kid.

The story doesn't stop there..I can place reasoning for a lot more instances from my youth that were weird in the least but now as an adult knowing the rules of the game and who's playing on the ship, on land and sea...being fully phucking aware is all that counts people

-Invisible Crown-



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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When I was a child we lived in Texas and I attended "GT" gifted and talented classes most of my formal public education. We would compete in Odyssey of the Minds tournaments held throughout the state.

I thought that is the way all schools were until I moved to south Texas and there wasn't funding for a class for advanced students. That reason was one of the reasons why I ended up dropping out all together. I wasn't challenged anymore.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Anyone have any experience with the smarter kids being more athletic?

In middle school our grade was separated into 5 subgroups. In 6th grade it was 6A, 6B, ect. We had a track and field day where all the groups would compete, and I remember our group pretty much destroyed all the other groups, to a degree much higher than chance. Thinking at the time obviously they wouldn't divide students by athletic ability so It'd have to be by test scores and such. I noticed that our group did seem to have a huge monopoly on the brighter students. We were group 6E...to make it all the more unsuspecting


Our elementary school had a gifted program in the 90s but got rid of it after parent complaints. Basically saying school money should be going to all students and that ego stroking should be done on your own dime.

Figures I suppose but the "brightest" students weren't the most, or at all, athletic but the athletic ones were sort of equal or better than the brightest students in terms of "real world", practical, intelligence.
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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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i was in a program called G.A.T.E. which stood for Gifted And Talented Education. i was a part of the program from 4th or 5th grade until 8th grade. we did all kinds of cool things. we had the first computers in the school. we were shown some "basic" programing. it looks like this:

10 print "hello world"
20 goto 10

we were taught how local government worked through the use of board games. i wish i could find that game now, it would be awesome. the game went like this. each person in class would take the position of a local government person. think mayor, city counsil, representative etc. then the moderator would present a problem to the group of players. each player could only do what their job title allowed them to do. it was fun.

if anyone knows the name of the game could you please reply to this post or email? thanks

we went on trips to universal studios, the queen mary, and griffith park observatory. it was possibly the best years of my life. loads of fun.

we played chess, did word challenge problems (like 5min whodunnit).


great topic OP! bringing back some great memories.

-subfab
edit on 3-6-2012 by subfab because: my post didn't make sense. added words to clarify.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 07:05 PM
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Well, this may make the people who weren't in a "gifted" program surprised, since some of you seem to be getting a bit miffed about how we all think we are so special.... I, for one, don't recall taking any IQ tests. I didn't (still don't) consider myself especially "smart". I hated math, and struggled in it every year. My grades were average. I wasn't in any "honors" classes, and the only "advanced placement" class I was ever in was in my Senior year, when I was in AP English (by then I was living in Dayton, OH).

In my case, there seemed to be one, and only one criteria for being placed in the TAG program, and that was "creativity", NOT intelligence. They looked for us to give unusual and creative answers to the test questions. We were socially awkward, and picked on by the rest of the kids, and pretty much isolated about the same way as the "special ed" kids were. I felt sorry for one girl in my class, she was actually popular and a cheerleader, but being one of us was a real burden for her, socially. She managed for a year, then her parents took her out of TAG. She still tried to be nice to us, but eventually drifted away with the rest of the school outside our world.

I think it was purely an attempt to identify those of us who learn "differently" and who were bright but picked on by others, and try to stimulate us and help us learn. In my case, it worked. I blosssomed under the alternative learning styles and did very well. It motivated me to come to school, since I was in a group of kids who were interested in things the same way I was, and who were also shy and guarded. When I finished junior high and went on to high school, my confidence had improved greatly, thanks to having been able to grow in the TAG environment and not deal with all the social crap. I was able to hold my own, and even participated in extra curricular activities like Drama club and Philosophy club.

So those of you who weren't in "gifted" programs shouldn't think we feel "better than" the rest, by any means - in my case, the opposite was true! I felt pretty isolated and the program helped me hide away from the rest of the general school population until I could handle things better.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 07:27 PM
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I think that there are two types of "gifted" children. One group shows an innate ability to process and understand information more readily while the other group is more organized and methodical in their study habits. This is probably a sign of the difference in E.Q. and I.Q. . In both groups high I.Q. is probably standard but the students with E.Q. were the successful ones because they were able to do what was required without question but lacked understanding on a Meta level. These people were merely regurgitating what they were told.

One girl in particular always rubbed me the wrong way. She was the stereotypical teacher's pet constantly seeking praise for her abilities yet she was completely unoriginal in her thinking and honestly I doubt she ever had a thought that was her own. She was the type that in my opinion had to work hard to appear smart so I felt at the time she was a "fake".

In my school the students in the Challenge program or AP classes looked to me as if I were one of them and even sought my approval in a lot of things. I was the "star" of the academic decathlon team yet I was often failing classes due to a lack of participation and spent time in in school suspension for challenging teachers or being a "smart ass". This enabled me to do loads of school work in a short period of time often placing me ahead of the class in the curriculum I felt I was different, not better than, some of the better students because what took them weeks to study and process I could absorb more easily on my own in less time with very little or no effort.

I have never been tested for E.Q. but I am certain that it was not high or that it was hindered by a dysfunctional family with no support system and alcoholic parents who focused on nothing but their own petty squabbles. I could not find anywhere to fit in amongst my peers or at home so I retreated to my own studies and research. I wonder how many of the other posters who went through situations such as dropping out or becoming dependent on drugs or fell in with a bad crowd came from broken homes?

I also feel these classes foster a type of competition among students to be the best and brightest which can have a detrimental affect. I had a friend named John who was in the challenge program at my school that committed suicide in 7th grade. Self inflicted gunshot wound. The cause for this was a bad grade and he was agonizing over his parents finding out. Another friend was coddled so much by his parents and forced into all sorts of extracurricular activities that had no benefit for him but allowed his parents to brag. This fellow never developed the ability to do things for himself and is now a classic example of an underachiever.

I can say looking back that it is clear to me now where mistakes were made and I can even see my own immaturity manifest in rebellious acts. The education system in this country needs an overhaul where it is not a competition to learn but an environment where learning is encouraged and to help those children understand the direction they want to take in life rather than cram a vast amount of testing material in a child's head without comprehension or slowing the class down to teach to the lowest denomination.

The whole idea of gifted children makes me think about the way certain authors and philosophers tackled the idea. Plato assigned children a birth metal in his Republic where the children of a certain metal were matched to families of a like metal to foster that type of growth. I am also reminded of Huxley's Brave new world where people were assigned ranks (alpha, beta, etc) and how the lowest group the gammas I think were dumbed down during their fetal development with chemicals which suggest that people of higher intellect would not accept the undesirable labor jobs. /end rambling.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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Depends what you mean by "gifted" there are some programs for "gifted" children but they are really for children with mental handicaps, the terminology keeps changing and that can be confusing to some. You can no longer refer to them as handicapped, retarded, so on and so forth.



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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Yes, indeed I was.

I was one of a handful from my grade level to be taken out on random trips to compete against other gifted students.

I remember one day we were brought to this big gathering of gifted kids from various schools. We were divided into teams based on our school and then tasked with creating a contraption out of straws (and maybe popsicle-sticks, don't remember fully) that would cradle an egg as it was flung or dropped. I basically came up with the design for my group and I think we were one of, if not the ONLY, group whose egg didn't break.

I had horrible grades throughout most of school (hated their busywork/homework) but aced all the tests and landed all the highest level classes.

I was the "rebel-genius" kid amongst many ass-kissers and goody-goodies. Loved/excelled at learning, reading, and every single subject in school (including gym/art). I was not a fan of authority or doing things that I did not see a point in doing.

There, stick that in your profile of me, spooks!
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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 07:38 PM
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Everyone must read John Gatto's two books:

Dumbing Us Down

and

Weapons of Mass Instruction

The goal is to create a large underclass of workers, but everyone can't be the workers. You also need overseers and people who will perpetuate the system. Rockefeller is in this and a whole lot of other people and groups we know well.

Very good books, Weapons is the scariest book I have read. And I have hundreds of books.

Oh and the big secret is that there is no such thing as gifted and talented. Sorry guys. This guy was a award winning NYC school teacher and he realized that these labels are given for a reason. School is a 12 year prison sentence that stifle creative thinking in the young.

SCHOOL ALSO OCCUPIES 12+ YEARS OF A CHILD'S LIFE SO THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE. THESE STUDENTS CAN'T PROTEST, RIOT OR REBEL, THEY ARE TOO BUSY TAKING LITERATURE AGAIN. Read these books it will change your life. You will start to question everything. School is an occupation that isn't even constitutional.
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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Yes!

And read this one too:

The Teenage Liberation Handbook



posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Here is something I would like to share with some of the older membership who participated in various gifted programs, specifically anyone who came up within the Los Angeles school district gifted magnet schools during the 70's and 80's.

The informal, tongue-in-cheek faux student yearbook for the 1982 Walter Reed Middle School IHP


1982 Yearbook flickr link

If anyone has anything similar but is hesitant to post it openly please send a P.M., I would be interested in checking it out.

Of note is that easily half of the alumni have since gone on to already begin make substantial, noteworthy contributions to society. A few of you reading along will recognise a couple of the class names listed, these types of programs pay some of the greatest social dividends on some of the most austere investment in modern education.

It's truly a shame that some don't seem to understand that challenging the best minds and providing advanced curriculum from the earliest time possible benefits us all far more than the minuscule cost increase of $90 per student in annual funding to accommodate the specialised programs.


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posted on Jun, 3 2012 @ 08:11 PM
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When I was in elementary school during the '90's (I'm 26), I got numerous invites to join California's G.A.T.E. (Gifted and Talented Education) program but never went. Being that I was raised by my great-grandparents and of limited financial means, I think that was why I was never allowed to attend. I could be wrong since my memory has declined throughout my teenage years well into adulthood, mainly because some things I have forgotten and also have had habits that made me forget, plus choosing to forget. Curious as to how I would've ended up. I was also in the AVID (Advancement Via Individual Determination) program from 7th to 9th grade to help me attend a university but I chose to opt out after 9th since I didn't want to attend college. Heck, after going to continuation high school I could've gone forward into art school (my high school had a video production class that I relished) on my teacher's recommendation but the notion of "more school" put me off.




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