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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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Would that make you happy if China used a nuclear weapon on LA and NY? I'm beginning to get that weird feeling that you are one of those people that enjoy watching bad things happen to USA... Was 9/11 a good day for you?




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:10 AM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
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America needs Australia's help??? are you being serious? Hahaha......


Why is China allowed to fight with their own allies, but USA cant use NATO? If it was just a heads up battle US vs China, the US would wipe China off the map...


Thats what I wanted you to say.

You dont need anyones help do you?

You do not need our Imperial footholds in the Pacific for example. You should bring home all troops shouldnt you.

Americans need to call for bringing troops home from Australia at the very least. We sure as hell dont need them

And Im glad to hear an American say you will stand alone. You guys dont need help do you? Of course not. That is excellent. You do not need foriegn bases. You can close them. Bring back the troops and protect your own border. And if you are drawn into War. You wont bother asking for help because you are the "greatest" after all right?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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Funny how everyone's hand is always out for help in one way or another. If other nations don't/won't help, things may get real ugly.

America should have sat back and watched every other nation/country get annihilated.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by Germanicus
 


Would that make you happy if China used a nuclear weapon on LA and NY? I'm beginning to get that weird feeling that you are one of those people that enjoy watching bad things happen to USA... Was 9/11 a good day for you?


That is such a horrible thing to say. Where do you people come from? Are you not ashamed to say that to me? I have a thread on how watching 911 happen and the politics of the world after and how it affected me actually.

And please know that I take deep offence to what you just said. What makes you think you have the right to say such horrid things?

edit- this is from the thread.



As a young adult around the year 2000. I wasnt very political. I was still left but busy with things. The world seemed ok. Then Im watching tv one night with an ex-girlfriend and the news takes over the tv showing New York and the Twin Towers. One of the towers has smoke pouring from the top. I see people jumping from windows. I see a plane come flying along and smash into the other tower. Im thinking,oh my #ing god. i see a tower fall. Then I see another. I see world leaders messages to America coming across the screen including from Saddam. All are saying they are shocked and will help. Im trying to think who would do this? I watched American 24 hour news for the next few months. It was all i did. In that time I see the US Army sent to Afghanistan to kill Afghanis. I was shocked that no media questioned this action. Just blind support. But worse,I see that soon after the attack America is bombing Government buildings in iraq. This was a civillian area. I was outraged. Im wondering why on earth are America dropping bombs on innocent people. The news said they were trying to target Saddam and his family. Like that made it ok. i still havent gotten over it. Only a small part of the people of the west seemed to care or even notice. We all know it only got worse from there. So while the War on terror is being kicked off,Im still left and liberal and very ant-war. People like me waited years to get rid of Howard in Australia nad bush in America. I was so happy when that happened. Finally,we would end the wars and killing. But oh no. The left parties turn out to be as bad,if not worse. The wars and killing continue.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Again,that is one of the worst things anyone has said to me here at ATS. Right up there with the bunch of people that like to call me a nazi. You really shouldnt say such horrible things.
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I guess thats where Im going with Dresden and Hiroshimo and Nagasaki. These were all horrific things. It seems like society thinks its ok to support these things,yet you get hysterical and accuse people of terrible terrible things for suggesting that Americas time at the top is over. In my opinion,it is over. Sorry that scares you. Or if you are just plain dispicable,Im sorry about that too.
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edit on 2-6-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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If anything, America will save Europe, again. Think about this statement, and what it implies logistically to be the other way around.

If anything based solely off of GDP, military might, economic bounce back capability, logistics (which is important in any war nuke or not), support capability (how many carriers Europe got? not many? ok)


I could go on and on. Simple truth is Europe is neutered by their own hands. America (unfortunately) is bred for the fight. We like war on every level. We're like the dysfunctional bastard family at the Denny's restaurant making a scene at table 5. No country to include Russia wants to go at it for the long haul with America and thats why.

We're born, conditioned, programmed, and taught to fight. If anything Europe would fall first due to it's proximity and constant bickering with each other as sovereign neighboring countries. That and sorry, even as the whole Euro is concerned you still wouldn't match production power of USA.

Granted we aint producing much now, but give us a reason like what happened pre WW II. We weren't producing much then either.....then the war happened and we were crankin it out left and right.

Thats why I think this will be a nuke war....quick easy and less mess.....and sorry Europe you'll likely be the first to go. America will get hit under this senerio, but with far less collateral damage. And again your closer to the problem.

So yea, America will be bailing out Europe....again.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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We are very capable of standing alone, more so than most, can we use allie help? Sure... Do we need it? No, but is it good to have just in case? Yes.... But to think that we need Australia is funny to me.. There are countries in NATO that we do need, just like they need us, its a two-way street...



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by 200PlusSimple really, our military is the most experienced in the world right now. Our gear is better and we have more war stock than we need. Isolating our nation would allow us to buy and manufature our own products (like we used to before we started trying to build other national economies).

Good idea; and don't forget to take your military bases and political puppet prostitutes with you.



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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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IF 9/11 was bad then why does usa govt support al qaeda?USA supporting Al Qaeda gives credence to the theory that Al Qaeda is controlled by CIA and CIA used al qaeda to attack usa.

Controlled demolition or not.Then CIA was involved in murdering 3000 american citizens.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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Europe already helped in WW3, it began on 9/11 2001 and is only just now drawing to a close.

We are cruising to WW4 and yes, Europe...or should i say Gog? Will be involved except the only enemy will be Israel.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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I asked you a question... You shoudlnt take such offense to simple questions... You are the one who keeps talking about nuclear weapons going off on US soil, so its not that far fetched to think the way I did... You are exhibiting much hate for my country on this thread and I simply connected the dots in my own head...

I am sorry if it truly offended you... There are many people around the world and here on ATS that would take enjoyment out of watching bad things happen on US soil... So please understand that my response was based soley off of that...



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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gog and magog are Khazaria who have occupied Palestine.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
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IF 9/11 was bad then why does usa govt support al qaeda?USA supporting Al Qaeda gives credence to the theory that Al Qaeda is controlled by CIA and CIA used al qaeda to attack usa.

Controlled demolition or not.Then CIA was involved in murdering 3000 american citizens.


I dont know why my Govt. does the things it does. Trust me when I say I rarely ever support the choices my Govt. makes... I also hate that US Citizens are hated and judged based off the things our twisted Govt. does.. Many Americans dont support what Bush/Obama have done in recent memory, unfortunatley when election time strolls around and we pick our leader it comes down to picking the lesser of the two evils....



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Revealation

Funny how everyone's hand is always out for help in one way or another. If other nations don't/won't help, things may get real ugly.

America should have sat back and watched every other nation/country get annihilated.


I was waiting for someone to bring up foriegn Aid.

Its a Scam.

We dont want your money because we dont get it. Australia has never needed you but nations you do help you only exploit.
And you send Aid to Pakistan yet you let people in somalia starve when the famine was on. Why not help Somalia? Nothing to gain thats why.

And the 2004 disaster relief. Ever look into what happened there? Haiti?

Your Aid is only bribes and scams for American corporatists that exploite the country they claim to be helping.

I know you wont believe me but what about Ron Paul? Ron Paul fan
He explains the Aid Scam pretty well. The focus is on the IMF and stuff but you get the idea. Its a good jumping off point and when you a=understand how America does not help with these things it will remove a barrier to you being less arrogant and unable to accept reality. American foriegn Aid is a huge scam.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.la.org.au...

The world owes America nothing.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:35 AM
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Why woluld China attack Europe?

Why not them and friend nuke America? Both coasts? Why bother with Europe?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:41 AM
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You do realize that the US is one of the leading countries in aid to Somalia and has been for years?

US Aid Horn Of Africa



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by jhn7537
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I asked you a question... You shoudlnt take such offense to simple questions... You are the one who keeps talking about nuclear weapons going off on US soil, so its not that far fetched to think the way I did... You are exhibiting much hate for my country on this thread and I simply connected the dots in my own head...

I am sorry if it truly offended you... There are many people around the world and here on ATS that would take enjoyment out of watching bad things happen on US soil... So please understand that my response was based soley off of that...


I dont want a nuke to hit you.

I am saying that if I was China that is what I would do. These guys are not farmers or afghanis. This is serious.

Its like Iran. They said,they will hit the 15 or so US Bases in the Middle East straight up. No messing around. Why would China,Russia,other BRICS,Iran,North Korea,Pakistan,nations in South America and Africa.... why would they mess around? America is the one they hate. Not us. We dont even like you much.


I am worried about America,but more worried about Australia. If you guys have a problem with China,its nothing to do with us and to be honest,America cant run its country. Look at the unemployment and stock market today. You are never going to get the money to pay China. You will be lucky if they only break your knee caps. Its not anyone elses problem is all Im saying. I dont feel that we owe America anything.

And if you are so great you will not need anyones help. It should be a non-issue.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Europe is likely to watch from the sidelines or just use missiles from a safe distance.Europe hasn't got the money nor the manpower to play a role worth anything.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
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You do realize that the US is one of the leading countries in aid to Somalia and has been for years?

US Aid Horn Of Africa





Where were you when the famine was on? Sitting back and pondering.

Iran helped,glad some countries dont want something in return. Iran provides alot of genuine Aid.

He briefed the Somali officials on the humanitarian aid that the Islamic Republic has so far sent to the famine-wracked African country, saying Iran will continue sending aid cargos to Somalia and is ready to help steer the country through the crisis. The Somali prime minister thanked Iran for sending humanitarian aid to Somalia and asked the Iranian nation and government to keep on sending aid to his country.

tehrantimes.com...
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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I think the vast majority of Americas do agree with you in that we police the world way too much. I say bring all of our troops home, close all the bases and let the rest of the world do as they please.

Each of the last two World Wars started in Europe but the next one has a good chance to start in the Middle East the way things are looking. China may/will be a big player in that one and we may go head to head with them on some fronts but I don't think China or the USA will suffer much in the way of destruction. I think there will be some unwritten rules in this one because of the nukes everyone has.

In the end America and China will survive. If, in the end America is pushed out of Asia, I suspect China will go on a slash and burn policy where human rights are concerned and you are directly in the path of that. Once we are pushed out of the way, you and yours will be slaves for generations. Slaves to one of the most brutal people on the planet.

You do know that China has the worst record on human rights in the 20th century? Hitler and Stalin don't hold a candle to the mass genocide China alone has put on display in their country. Over 30 million have died in a genocidal China in the 20th century, making China the most immature nation on the planet. You have to put Stalin and Hitler on the same team to get to those numbers!

I agree, America is not innocent and we have made some huge mistakes but the country you champion as your savior has a combined kill rate that is just about equal to the two most evil dictators in the last century.

Good luck with that, I am sure your ancestors will curse your name if you get your way.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:51 AM
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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. - Joseph Goebbels

With the way the OP keeps banging on the US and exbounding on the virtues of a WA/China alliance, it sounds as if he is part of a PLA PSYOP Campaign.

Winning the hearts and minds?


But there is another saying as well...

"Grab 'em by the balls and their hearts and minds will follow."






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