Will Europe Help America In WW3? Should They?

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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China has an eye on living space and mineral and oil reserves in Siberia. If I were Australian I would be more worried about China deciding they want physical mineral rights in Western Australia rather than just the written agreements they have with Australia now. Be more likely they they nuke Perth and decide the Western half of the continent is theirs, than start a fight with America.




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 05:57 AM
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No need for rude emphisis either.


It was my post and I'll emphasise what I want - it's called literary effect - I'm sure you are quite aware of what it is and why it is used - and it certainly isn't rude at all - if you take it that way then I'm afraid that speaks far more about you than it does me.



No need to be patronizing.


The last thing I'd ever intend to be is patronising, if I come across that way then I can only offer my sincerest apologies and hope that you recognise that it's not my intention at all.

If not, well.....?



I disagree strongly with your opinion and it is nothing more than that. Opinion


Nothing wrong with that.....and I strongly disagree with your opinion....what was your point?



What makes you so smart genius? Why is your opinion correct?


I am definately no genius....but I'm no simpleton, I think.

I base my opinion on my own experience of living through part of The Cold War where the threat of MAD was with us on a daily basis and through reasoned consideration of other relevant factors.

The fact that they didn't nuke each other then suggests that they are hardly going to do so now.
The evidence is there in the history books and the very fact that we aren't living in a nuclear winter now.



Because you are old?


Now that's harsh.....I am suffering from encroaching middle age....but I'm not old.....and I assure you there's still a lot of life left in me yet, right me off at your peril.




Old Skool Anarchist?


Pretty much so yeah, and so what?



I didnt read you speaking out of the both sides of your mouth bs at the bottom til then. keep that stuff. You remind me of an obnoxious American. ( not all Americans are obnoxious )


Hmmm....a bit too close to the truth maybe eh?.



I think you fail to read between the lines.


And you do?

What makes you believe that you are so insightful and everyone else in wrong?



China is ready.


For what?

The only thing China is and ever was concerned with is doing what it see's is right for China.



Everyone hates America,


Not everybody.

There are certainly aspects of 'America' that I truly despise....but I honestly fail to see how you can think that China / Russia or anyone else would be any different if they were the dominant superpower.
I'd really be interested in what makes you think they would be?

I can understand why from a logistic and economic standpoint Australia would like closer links with China but consider what China's motives would be.



You are in denial because you are a Brit


I'm not in denial - I just have a different opinion, one that is based on personal experience, study and reasoned thought.

And as for being a Brit - thankfully - and so what?

Could I be wrong?
Of course I could be.



and you know you guys are screwed too. You have no hope.


We have our problems, no doubt about that and if we don't address them soon then things could get pretty damn bad.....but hardly beyond hope I assure you.

You really shouldn't believe all you read in MSM.



Australia actually does with the right leadership.


That's the same for all of us.

Touched a bit of a raw nerve I think....perhaps you should take a little time to consider the intent behind the post - it certainly wasn't intended to be patronising or insulting.

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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And did I read that wrong or did you really say China is a threat to Russia?


What I said was, currently China is more a threat to Russia, than she is to the US. Wars are fought over resources and territory. Wars are also about logistics. Russia borders with China, and she has lots of land and resources.

Why would China want to nuke the valuable property on the coasts of America? How would she follow up? I can promise you the heartland of America is not something to trifle with. If she wanted to destroy the US, better to nuke middle America and leave the coasts. Your not much on strategy are you?

The rogue nations are the ones that will use Nukes, they are interested in war for spite. China is much smarter than that.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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Think how WW2 finished up. Dresden,Hiroshima,Nagasaki.


Quite noticeably and maybe tellingly you fail mention The Blitz and all the bombing raids on the UK or what about Guernica etc?

Hardly the balanced perspective given there.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:14 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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Think how WW2 finished up. Dresden,Hiroshima,Nagasaki.


Quite noticeably and maybe tellingly you fail mention The Blitz and all the bombing raids on the UK or what about Guernica etc?

Hardly the balance perspective given there.


Are you defending Nagasaki Dresden and Hiroshima?
It seems like you are. Shame on you.
One does not make the other ok.
But you know as well as I do that the war was done when Dresden,Nagasaki and Hiroshima took place. There was no need. The Germans were broken,the japanese were broken. Those three acts were discpcable. I especially hated learning about Dresden. That was the weakest act in the history of the world. Dresden is number one. It made me physically sick seeing a doco on it. ( and no I have not just seen a doco ) . The Dresden thing was the worst.

Whats your point anyway?

Are you trying to imply that I am in favour of bombing raids on the UK? But like I said,at least that was during the thick of the war. To do Dresden at the death like that was sickening. What was your point?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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Touched a bit of a raw nerve I think....perhaps you should take a little time to consider the intent behind the post - it certainly wasn't intended to be patronising or insulting.

Thats why you are here star hunter. To validate your intelligence. And I agree. no genius. And I disagree,your post was far from polite. And my point is that we will have to agree to disagree because I think you are clearly wrong



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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Well aren't you cranky pants today!



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by EyesWideShut
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Well aren't you cranky pants today!


Im always like this


I dont like people being rude straight of the bat or speaking down to me or implying I am wrong when all they have is opinion.

I am giving an opinion and looking for debate. I dont mean to be so cutting. No need for guys to act like I am wrong though when all they have is opinion. I hate that. Especially when I am correct (:

But I mean no harm (: Its good to be a little cutting isnt it?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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You have not studied the occultic and mystical components of the Western govt.I believe major preparations for war and genocide are underway. Muslim world , Western people,Chinese,indo-pak zone will gravely suffer in the next 10-15 years.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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Many people do hate Americans and I accept that. I have met many Brits and Aussies that were great people and have spent many hours in good natured ribbing with them. All people are arrogant about their nation in some way, it is called national pride and isn't always a bad thing.

Australia wants to sit it out in the next war? Cool, I am sure we can manage without the three battalions she would provide. It would actually help the US a lot if we cut ties with all nations and isolated ourselves.

Simple really, our military is the most experienced in the world right now. Our gear is better and we have more war stock than we need. Isolating our nation would allow us to buy and manufature our own products (like we used to before we started trying to build other national economies).

If we simply turned our back on everyone for 20 years, several things would happen:

1) American industrial infastructure would be the worlds strongest
2) world opinion of America would change
3) China would be broke within six months of us closing our borders
4) China's population would be around half a billion if we stopped feeding them


I really am confused about the angst you have against America. Every Aussie I have ever met were some of the nicest people. Very friendly and very outgoing. But I have never met one that wanted to be Chinese so maybe that is where you differ.

The whole "soldiers think they are better' and "I'd enlist if there was a war I believed in" crap is silly. No sane person "believes" in a war. There are ALWAYS better options. As strange as it sounds, sometimes war is simply the most humane option to be had. If we went to war with China (which we won't), we can either fight their soldiers or starve their civilians. Which is worse?

America has a huge trump card and we would never use it and that is our downfall. We should stop trade with china, ALL trade. Then in the aftermath we should stop trade with ANY nation that supports her. But that would be inhuman in the extreme and we cannot use food as a weapon.

Good luck to you in the future my friend, I hope you never find out the hard way that communism isn't the utopia that you envision.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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1)china can feed itself
2)china can confiscate corporate american assets in event of major american protectionist actions.
3)USA is not an educational powerhouse anymore which is critical for major innovations and inventions.Asians today are .
4)Biggest problem we have the Federal Reserve.




We should stop trade with china, ALL trade. Then in the aftermath we should stop trade with ANY nation that supports her. But that would be inhuman in the extreme and we cannot use food as a weapon.

china can confiscate corporate american assets in event of major american protectionist actions.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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I'll gladly discuss events and the rights or wrongs surrounding Nagasaki and Hiroshima in a thread devoted to that subject, if ever a topic deserved a thread to itself it's that.

It's just very noticeable that you fail to include Germany's bombing of London and other British cities and the significant loss of civilian life well before any German cities were bombed.
Or what about the Luftwaffes destruction of Guernica?

You seem to be very selective in the what you post in an attempt to play on emotion rather than fact.

I've never mentioned anything about Dresden as it has nothing to do with the point I was making - which is your deliberate and blatant cherry picking to further your pro-German agenda.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:33 AM
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Debate is fine, but you've got to remember that people don't know your personality and we lose a lot of sensory information through the computer, people can't see your facial expressions, body language, tone of voice, microexpressions etc... Sometimes when we have to rely on prose alone, things can get misconstrued without the normal context clues. Add that with 35 people having 7 different mini debates at once and things can get heated!...lol



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:34 AM
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There is so much peen swinging in this thread, it's a wonder nobody has lost an eye. No coincidence the OP has used the word 'hard' (or forms of it) at least seven times.


Perhaps, if there were less massive displays of dominance, no one would be discussing the possibility of WWIII. Regardless, if and when it happens, this whole topic is a moot point. The only thing any possible survivors would be saying or thinking, would be "#!@#, I survived." And not in a gleeful way, either.

Yes, I'm sure I'm being disrespectful, arrogant, patronizing, rude, etc., etc. Word to the wise, you get back what you put out.

So keep on swinging that peen and pissing on your territory. The other gender will continue to be sadly amused.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:37 AM
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Australia wants to sit it out in the next war? Cool, I am sure we can manage without the three battalions she would provide. I


Ha! I know you are trying to insult our proud awesome military but you are right. We make little difference at the end of the day. You dont need us. We dont need you. Our Military is the hardest on the planet but you are right,small numbers. We still rank well amongst nations though.

And China is 'State Capitalist.. They are not communist. Yes,the party is a 'communist party' but they are State Capitalist. No nation in Europe is socialist. It is a capitalist empire. All nations in the empire are capitalist. Thats how things work. You cant have socialism or communism unless the nation has Autarky or Global Communism/Socialism. It does not work. All nations in the American Empire are Capitalist.

China is 'State Capitalist'.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by EyesWideShut
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Debate is fine, but you've got to remember that people don't know your personality and we lose a lot of sensory information through the computer, people can't see your facial expressions, body language, tone of voice, microexpressions etc... Sometimes when we have to rely on prose alone, things can get misconstrued without the normal context clues. Add that with 35 people having 7 different mini debates at once and things can get heated!...lol



Yeah, I have about a 50 member personal hate club (: And I actually do get carried away sometimes with stuff I care about.

But yeah. I get what you mean.

Sorry



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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There is so much peen swinging in this thread, it's a wonder nobody has lost an eye. No coincidence the OP has used the word 'hard' (or forms of it) at least seven times.


Well,you may think my opening post is obnoxious but I would disagree. I mean it to be confronting. I am worried about America because I think you are all deluded and you will destroy the world we know. You already are.

And its funny that you blame me. Guys come at me. I give it back. Im just better.

And you are attacking me btw.

edit- I do well with the opposite sex btw. You are so rude. I am decent looking,well read,awesome,smart, confident, I have this whole anti-hero thing happening. I do fine. No need for concern
Im also not on ATS to attract a female btw. If someone is rude,I give it back. Show me where Im rude to start. People are responding to my opening thread. Often they are rude. I am back. Im not the bad guy. Im also not complaining. You are.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:44 AM
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Thats why you are here star hunter.


Hardly.

I assure you, stars and flags are the last things that motivate me.....been here far to long to be influenced or motivated by such trivialities.



To validate your intelligence.


Or lack of it as the case may be.



And I agree. no genius.


I know....unlike your good self?



And I disagree,your post was far from polite.


I'm sorry, but it was hardly impolite was it and considering the nature of this site and the subject matter under discussion I honestly fail to see what offended you so much, but as I said, if I did I apologise.



And my point is that we will have to agree to disagree because I think you are clearly wrong


Yeah, I've no problem with that, I don't think I am but I know I could easily be wrong....you know you aren't wrong....and therein Sir lies the BIG difference between me and you.


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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:49 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
Im just better.


More like more delusional



edit- I do well with the opposite sex btw.


If they brag then they actually see ZERO action



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:53 AM
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Maybe we cant agree to disagree





Yeah, I've no problem with that, I don't think I am but I know I could easily be wrong....you know you aren't wrong....and therein Sir lies the BIG difference between me and you.


I dont know I am wrong at all. And there you go again. Prove you are correct.

I am giving opinion. I am not being obnoxious and claiming to know the strategy of China in the event of WW3
That would be stupid. Who would claim to know these things......

Did you stamp your foot as you wrote that?

You just have an opinion. And you continue to be rude.

And no I didnt claim to be a genius. I made fun of you by calling you one because you act like you are more intelligent than I think you obviously are. and what are you claiming to be correct about?
Are you claiming that no nukes will be used in WW3? Or are you claiming that defending Dresden is not a horrible thing to do?





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