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Will Europe Help America In WW3? Should They?

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by JerryB08
 


85% of the fascist forces were destroyed by the Soviet Union.


Prove that one too...




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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n the late 1950s, the Russian scientist Ufimtsev developed and expanded the earlier work of H.M. MacDonald (cf. Electric Waves and also here where MacDonald's Physical Optics was first introduced), and developed a powerful asymptotic method for solving high-frequency diffraction problems.

This new method was particularly suited to stealth design, since it enabled the far field diffraction pattern of radar waves from airplanes to be calculated. In particular, it was now possible to calculate what shapes would NOT reflect the radar waves back to their source, and hence would be undectable by radar.

Surprisingly, Ufimstev's work was all but ignored in the Soviet Union, but not so in the US. After the US Air Force had translated his work from the original Russian, it was read by Denys Overholser, a radar specialist who realized its practical implications...and in fact, in a matter of months after he had read the paper, he had translated it into a computer program, ready for stealth design at the fabled "Skunk Works" shop. Both the Lockheed F-117 Stealth Fighter and the Northrop B-2 Stealth Bomber were designed with the aid of Ufimtsev's approach.
www.larrymusa.com...





Utilizing this knowledge, Ufimtsev conjectured that even a large aircraft could be made "stealthy." Unfortunately, any aircraft taking advantage of his theories would be inherently unstable. As the technology of the day was incapable of producing the flight computers necessary to compensate for this instability, his concepts were shelved. Several years later, an analyst at Lockheed came across a paper about Ufimtsev's theories and, as technology had sufficiently advanced, the company began developing a stealth aircraft based on the Russian's work.
militaryhistory.about.com...


Yep your stealth is an ripoff of russian scientist's works.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:50 AM
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Correct. Battle of the Bulge was Germany's last ditch effort to throw everything they could at US, Britian, Canada, etc.

took place during the winter months, and it received its name because Germanys forces were so massive in the middle they piled up causing a "bulge". In Hitlers mind, he thought he could disrupt American supply lines in one major battle. Dividing their troops and leading to a massive retreat from Europe. He Failed.

It would be classified as the last major battle in Europe.

Yes, there were other conflicts shortly there after. However, this battle followed that famous saying very well, "Put the nail in the coffin".




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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Well Britain being America's puppet/lap dog certainly will. But I doubt the rest of Europe would help much. I guess the fact that USA was reluctant to help in WWII wouldn't help either. However, once USA did start helping, they helped to turn the tide of war. So who knows? I guess NATO has an obligation to help though.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if that was 60 percent.. But I would like to see a source for 85 % but how was Russia doing early in the war? Russia definitley kicked Germany's ass. But only after German had a real threat opposing them and they had to move troops and armor. And at what cost? More Russians died than Germans.



Don't forget in your stats are hundreds of thousands of surrendered German soldiers that Russia murdered.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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You're not convincing me of anything I don't already know... YOUR gov't is nothing but a scam also as is every other governing faction. They're all for self.

Fact is though regardless of whatever war is fought for whatever reason, everyone wants America to take the lead........

And even though the reason is to get a foothold and exploit them..............all of it's allies DO benefit in some form or they wouldn't be an ally.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by neo96


Europe is so broke right now they can't even win their war on spending so how the hell could they help anyone else?



Kind of like Germany at the start of WW2.



Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it!



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by JerryB08
 


85% of the fascist forces were destroyed by the Soviet Union.


Prove that one too...


Statistically speaking, 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot.




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Funny isn't it that they still don't have anything stealth operational. And no technology to defeat it. But if it's on the internet it must be fact. But If that is the case... It's certainly not like the Russians didn't steal the know how to make a Nuke and a million other things.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by Revealation
reply to post by Germanicus
 


You're not convincing me of anything I don't already know... YOUR gov't is nothing but a scam also as is every other governing faction. They're all for self.

Fact is though regardless of whatever war is fought for whatever reason, everyone wants America to take the lead........

And even though the reason is to get a foothold and exploit them..............all of it's allies DO benefit in some form or they wouldn't be an ally.


No, no.

History shows that the German government is far more respectable and far less corrupt and self-serving than any other country.

And if anyone uses the Hitler argument, one can simply say that it was completely his fault, and no one else's at all.

/endsarcasm



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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In fact, Hitler’s Germany was defeated, first and foremost, by the Soviet Union . Some 70-80 percent of German combat forces were destroyed by the Soviet military on the Eastern front. The D-Day landing in France by American and British forces, which is often portrayed in the United States as a critically important military blow against Nazi Germany, was launched in June 1944 -- that is, less than a year before the end of the war in Europe, and months after the great Soviet military victories at Stalingrad and Kursk, which were decisive in Germany’s defeat. / 9
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Soviet estimates of 85% .Western estimates 70-80%



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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I wouldn't worry about WW3....I think we got this one by ourselves !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Russians have plasma stealth devices for cruise missiles and 4 gen planes.
Second serbs shot down f-117 using russian sam's .
Iran captured Rq-170 thanks to russian jammers.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:03 PM
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You do realize there were many contributors to Stealth not just the publicly known. As many here love to state. Our Germans were better than the Russian Germans after the war....

Unloading of captured Horten Ho 229 V3 in the USA

Horten Ho 229

Reimar Horten said he mixed charcoal dust in with the wood glue to absorb electromagnetic waves (radar), which he believed could shield the aircraft from detection by British early warning ground-based radar that operated at 20 to 30 MHz, known as Chain Home.[6] A jet-powered flying wing design such as the Horten Ho 229 will have a smaller radar cross-section than conventional contemporary twin-engine aircraft. This is because the wings blended into the fuselage and there were no large propeller disks or vertical and horizontal tail surfaces to provide a typical identifiable radar signatu



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:04 PM
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lets not forget the tens or hundreds of millions of red indians,blacks that USA tortured and murdered via genocide and slavery.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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yet lockheed martin used russian scientist's equations . lol.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by Germanicus
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Cool link. I have never seen that site


And


And yeah,I think it is probable that we will all get dragged into Americas mess. It sucks.


Why are you - as an Australian - asking what Europe should or should not do in the event of America having a war with China, and then turning it into a discussion about Australia? What logic does the title of your thread hold?

I'm not sure the scenario you paint would ever actually happen - economic war, maybe though, but what I would say is that 'Europe' wouldn't decide to do anything en masse, different countries would make their own decisions. So, back to the question, should one country decide to assist another in the event of a war, I think that would really depend on the reasoning for the war itself, what decisions had been made (or not made) that led to it, who was initiating it and what they expected to achieve.

Note that America was extremely reluctant to join WW2 and ultimately had the decision forced upon them. Joe Kennedy actually advised the president not to become part of the conflict as he predicted swastikas hanging in Downing Street before too long - and he was the American ambassador in Britain!

Having said all of the above, America obviously paid a huge role in the outcome of WW2 but also put most of the Alliance into decades of debt - maybe the scenario you paint would allow countries to return that favour too.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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How many missions were flown over Bosnia. They shot down one plan. lol If their carrying nukes that's not a winning ratio. We have operational 5th generation fighters. But I'm sure Putin is working on that. OPPS

It's lunch time. Enjoy the dark ages Europe. What will they call the next currency? food and bullets and maybe a little gold
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by mkgandhas
reply to post by JerryB08

Second serbs shot down f-117 using russian sam's .


Yeah shooting down a 30+ year old stealth design relic.
Some great accomplishment that was.
I wouldnt brag about it.

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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And you lecture other's on historical accuracy.




Britain was a storm away from getting invaded and occupied.


The UK, with some noteable assistance from our Australian, New Zealand and Canadian allies had already won The Battle Of Britain against all odds.

Hitler had given up all thought about invading the UK and had started building up his defences to protect from an invasion from the UK that he knew would inevitably come at some point.

Granted the UK would not have been able to launch an attack on continental Europe for quite a few years without US involvement, certainly not by 1944 and not on such a scale, but sure as night follows day they would have invaded - and Hitler and his Generals knew that.



Even while we we were giving through the Lend lease act almost entire fleets, thousands of tanks, cannons and rifles.


Most of which was outdated and somewhat obsolete and all of which was charged at exorbitant prices and inflated interest.

Some friends, making profit out of others misery and desperation etc.

If the UK had not followed a policy of appeasement and ran down their own military capability at the same time Hitler would never have been able to ride roughshod over continental Europe and they certainly wouldn't have been in hock to the USA for decades afterwards.....a lesson we would do well to learn from today.



Russia would be the only country to put in that statement. They beat on the Germans like pro's.


Russia was only able to resist Germany thanks to Stalin entering a non-aggression pact with Hitler which allowed him to build up Russia's arnaments whilst Germany was goosestepping over the rest of Europe, with the noteable exception of the UK.

When Hitler turned on Russia they survived the initial onslaught by sheer numbers and the Russian winter......Stalin felt little compunction losing a million soldiers if it meant preserving 'the motherland'.



England helped by bombing at night, America bombed during the day. That is how England helped not lose their own war.


First of all, it's the UK and not England alone, why is that so hard for so many to understand?

Secondly, you sir disrespect the memory of all the brave souls who fought in WWII regardless of nationality.

There is far more to WWII than that which is brought to you by Hollywood.

Really, the level of ignorance, arrogance and even bigotry shown in this thread has passed the humorous stage and is bordering on the worringly alarming.
And it seems to have degenerated into a bit of a free for all with anything or anyone being fair game.
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