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Will Europe Help America In WW3? Should They?

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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I believe in charities but also know that many charities have high salaried management that burns up a large percentage of donations on their salaries and expenses. Seems like an elite golf course membership shouldn't be considered an allowable expenditure. Some individuals who run these things take trips all over to try to get contributions and spend three quarters of the donations on acquiring the donations. A true charity should have rules and percentages on expenditures. There are a lot of good charities and there should be some sort of place to go where there is "Real" evidence posted on the efficiency of the charity. A new charity will have high start up costs for about a year but after that the percentage that gets to the recipients should increase. Some have been running for ten years and still only get ten percent to the people who are supposed to get helped.




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Charities can be evil and charities can be a part of capitalism but there are good honest ones out there.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Germanicus

Originally posted by jhn7537
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Dont sweat the trolling, you're doing a good job with your charity work, keep up the good work


this is my thread and my honest opinion is that charity is evil.

Why would I happen to have a thread on it that is a massive wall of text? I feel very strongly about it. Im sorry if that blows your mind. I said "no offence" and I meant iy. But I believe Charity is evil. Many people do. It is a tool of capitalism.

I am not trolling. My thread and I do not believe in charity clearly by my well thought out thread.

You are trolling. That was a personal attack and off topic. You can send a message you know


So Mother Teresa was some capitalist pig because of her charity work, right???

Its not a personal attack, its stating fact, im sorry... A person goes to africa to help other less fortunate and you basically rip apart the charitable work she did..... Not all charity work is a tool of capitalism, there may be people out there who take advantage of good causes to profit for themselves but there are definitely tens of thousands of people who are out there to do a good deed... And just because you make a thread it doesnt mean you are incapable of trolling...



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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Charities can be evil and charities can be a part of capitalism but there are good honest ones out there.


Yeah for sure. My thread is on unions as well. I am against them as well.

Unions are a bad thing.

But the people are not all bad. Its just a bad set up for alot of reasons.

But I am anti-charity and anti-union and I am socialist. I dont think we need charity with socialism.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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The bottom line here is that Europe will not be in position to help the US in the event of WW3 with China as they will have already ceased to be a viable ally, if it does happen. Just look at THEIR financial stability at the moment. It's a wreck in slow motion.

Granted, the US is also on the same road, but we may be able to pull out of the slide before we wreck. Time will tell.

And truthfully, tell me why the US would even give one once of care to the debt (monetarily) that we owe China if war does break out?

We have more exploitable resources than China, ones that are not necessarily tech driven.

The arrogance of the Chinese Government has always been that they are the superior race. Meh…not so much. They’re people just like anyone else.

I love how they get bent out of shape when one refutes their views. It’s like they just don’t get the idea that they are not the master race.

Because they are not.

If a war starts and nukes are launched…well, China is up the proverbial creek without a paddle and will return to the Warlord era in no time.

The USA, while scarred will survive.

Unless the Yellowstone Caldera erupts, then the whole world is screwed…but that’s for another thread.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:16 AM
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Russia being on the list depends on EMERCOM civil defence preparations. If they are good ,russians will survive ,if not then they are doomed.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Who said we even cared about Europe sending a couple hundred soldiers to piggyback and take credit for American war victories? Europe probably has more soldiers training in the United States than they have actually deployed.

Europe "assisting" the United States works out to be nothing more than a few transport helicopters, a minute number of soldiers and perhaps an outdated carrier with a few subpar strike fighters on it. More than likely Europe would even be at the center of ww3 not America, just like the last 1,000 years.

Maybe when Europe comes screaming "help us, help us" when it attempts to consume itself again, we'll look the other way and pretend we didn't hear anything. The various navies of Europe can't do squat even when compared to... say India. If there is going to be a ww3 and Europe is even involved (probably), it's going to be Europe against itself and if it isn't, Europe doesn't have the ABILITY to project very much power anyways.

If ALL of Europe united together to wage war (laughable), it might be a good fight between them and China/India. Because of the ability to project military power, the US could topple Europe along with China/India. The rest of the world can only really defend while we can attack, unless you are talking nuclear standoff, in which case the entire world is screwed.

Just what do you think we've been spending this massive military budget on? The Dept of Defense is really the Dept of Offense. Chinese (#2 in the world) generals have visited United States military installations and left in awe of the discipline, wealth and sheer strength of the US military. While this is propaganda and trickery intended to relax us so we underestimate China, it is not false. China won't be an enemy of the US because the two countries are now irrevocably entwined, even if we don't really favor each other or agree on ideologies. It's business and we all know this. What does Europe do for the US? Nothing, Europeans don't even want to help the US. As far as I'm concerned China is a better ally than Europe, perhaps with the exception of the UK.

America's cultural and social scene are not the same as its military. The military is WELL taken care of and funded here and it is an entity of its own. Inside the US military, you would think you are living in the 1950s, pretty much one of the golden ages of America without the 20th century stigmas and with 21st century technology.

We don't need your help, so mind your own and try not to drag us into it. You better hope ww3 isn't Europe vs America, if so you are screwed royally. We turned Europe into a parking lot once and we'll do it again if you so choose, so you better start kissing some Russian butt if you want to screw with the United States military.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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Just a curious question: Where did you go to university at Germanicus?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:21 AM
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I was surprised that a thread with only 5 flags had gotten itself 182 replies - until I read the OP. What a load of pseudo-nationalistic, petulant nonsense. If anything, this thread should have been dumped into the 'Rant' forum.

Anyway, to answer the 'question' of the OP - of course Europe will get drawn into WW3; it will be unavoidable. The Europeans will appear to procrastinate for a while, but be assured that the shadow rulers actually want global chaos, in order that they can emerge into a new society as totalitarian rulers, no longer in the shadows.

Ordo ab chao.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:23 AM
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Forgive me if I missed it in other replys, there has been a lot to read. But, why is everyone assuming that China will start WW3 by attacking the US? To me, a good strategy would be for them to sweep across Europe first and then Northern Africa. That would open up a lot of ports, runways and manufacturing, something that would be required to attack the US from both coasts (something that I believe would be required for a victory). Without those European and African ports and runways of the East Atlantic, the time it would take to China to resupply would take longer to accomplish. If there were a drastic loss of Chinese troops in battle, China would lose a vital front and ultimately lose the war.

Now, with that said, should the US help Europe if WW3 broke out?

Even if the WW3 started in the US and we were defeated, do you think China would stop there?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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A NYC/LA nuclear first strike (and please add DC to the list) would be the worst plan for any country. First of all, NYC and LA are commerce ports. Yes, they are large population centers, but the populations of the two tend to be peace loving. More so than the rest of the US. So a first strike of NYC and LA (and please hit DC while at it) would rid us of the doves while at the same time leaving us the military bases and nukes in the hands of the warhawks.

Not a great plan for stopping a retaliatory strike. Suffice it to say, nuclear option is off the table when dealing with the US. Plus, the US has an entire nation for of the one thing that China does not have... natural resources.

China does not want to have the world's reserve currency, because it makes their manufactured goods become overpriced over night. Which is why China has an economy on the world stage in the first place. Cheap products. In the event that China ever becomes the reserve currency (due to whatever reason that the US fails: defeat in war or total economic collapse) then Europe will do what it has always done...exploit poorer European nations (formally Eastern Europe) but now look at Greece, Italy and Spain. Or they will pack up some materials and head down to Africa to build some factories and exploit those nations.

As for Australia and China relations: Australia has money which is what China wants, a solid customer of their goods. If Australia wanted greater power and influence in the region it would focus on manufacturing and exporting. And if it could or would do so at a cheaper rate than American domestic production, it would probably become the US number 1 country for imported goods especially if Australia focused on higher dollar items like electronics, furniture, cars and so on. And left China holding the bag for cheap plastic trinkets like ink pens and toys. Honestly, Australia could take over the movie industry from Hollywood in an instant if they want to pursue it with the year round good weather, varying landscapes and such. Just make it more cost feasible for films to be shot there versus the US and you would have it made.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:27 AM
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Who said we even cared about Europe sending a couple hundred soldiers to piggyback and take credit for American war victories?


I agree. You guys could stand alone for sure. There is no need for anyone else to be involved.

But how will you guys pay your debt and restore your credit rating? Lower unemployment and fix the economy? Stop government overspending.... It seems like you wont be able to pay before too long.

What if China destroys you with economic warfare alone?
wouldnt it be your own fault? will it be?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:29 AM
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I honestly think China and the US would be on the same side.

They both seem to like authoritarianism, they are tied together economically. If China and the US went to war it would be over before it started. China and the US are practically evolving to be the same country despite the population difference and the history.

Even economic and government styles are about the same thing. China is the communist America and America is the libertarian China.


Originally posted by Germanicus
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Who said we even cared about Europe sending a couple hundred soldiers to piggyback and take credit for American war victories?


I agree. You guys could stand alone for sure. There is no need for anyone else to be involved.

But how will you guys pay your debt and restore your credit rating? Lower unemployment and fix the economy? Stop government overspending.... It seems like you wont be able to pay before too long.

What if China destroys you with economic warfare alone?
wouldnt it be your own fault? will it be?


Well... we do have a lot of guns and influence, so in the meantime who is going to try to come collect?

To lower unemployment and fix the economy all we really have to do is abolish some legislative restrictions/laws and invest in industry once again, something the US has done before in a time of war, to great effect.

If China wages an economic war on the US they would also be waging one on themselves. If they stopped making plastic toys and electronics for us I severely doubt the US would stumble all that much. We have Japan on our side that has taken American culture and even extended it to be their own; they also manufacture a lot of things including electronics along with other nations, include the US ourselves. If China stopped providing stuff for the US that would give us all the incentive we need to start manufacturing our own stuff again, fixing the unemployment problem in the process.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Socialism does not need charity, it's included in it's structure already governed by the state. I'm not fond of Unions either because it pits people against people and causes a discrimination effect based on job quality. I wish our health care would go to socialized medicine, our present health care system in the USA is going to bankrupt everyone. Many countries have already changed over. Obamacare is better than what was out there but is a far cry from the affordability of the Canadian and other health care systems. We are told here in the USA that other countries using socialized medicine are inferior but I see that we have the worst healthcare system on earth. Doctors here do not heal people quickly, our quality of life is suffering. Our healthcare system is not sustainable, there should be no patented medicine either. This needs to end this year or the USA will fall. Guaranteed.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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WW3 is going to be a financial war, we are already so far in debt that we cannot get out. We have lost the war already, all it would take is a world wide ban on imports and exports from the USA and we would crumble.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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Interesting thoughts. I personally believe that China is too chuffed with it's drastically increasing wealth to go around starting World War 3. I believe that the USA will make the first move, by striking against Syria, as Susan Rice confirmed a couple of days ago is now the intention of the war-mongers over state-side.

US/ Syria, then US & Israel/ Iran & Syria (unless Syria is too wounded to continue), then Russia & Iran/ US & Israel (this could see the mainland USA as a target for nukes) - then possibly China reinforce the Russians, followed maybe by the wild card, N. Korea, shooting from the hip at anyone they can.

Somewhere along the line Pakistan will get more confident to issue payback against the USA in retaliation for drone strikes etc, and India might end up in the fray - again with nuclear weapons a strong possibility.

Everyone else within range gets caught up in the mix, with North Africa somehow becoming a major zone of conflict, if my premonitions are accurate. It will be Hell on Earth for a time, before order is restored under the guise of a NWO. Then things get really weird.

Just my two pennies.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Originally posted by rickymouse
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WW3 is going to be a financial war, we are already so far in debt that we cannot get out. We have lost the war already, all it would take is a world wide ban on imports and exports from the USA and we would crumble.


I don't think you quite comprehend where the US stands in the world's economy.

EDIT: Which is at the top. The world gets just as much from America as America gets from the world. In today's world of globalization, a ban on imports and exports from the US would absolutely destroy the world.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:41 AM
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The USA is too reliant on the world economy, we don't have factories or produce things other than weapons and aircraft that others want. We are overpriced on our stuff. Maybe you don't see what we have allowed to be created but I do. There is too much structure to this thing, it's almost like someone is controlling our downfall.

Who really needs the type of stuff we produce?
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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It's sad that so many Australians have been brainwashed to have no confidence and think they're an incapable nation that needs to rely on America for protection. THat's the propaganda at work.

Germanicus and daaaskapital are real Australians. The rest of you are traitors to the sovereignty of Australia. You should be ashamed with yourselves - You do your nation a disservice with your cowardice.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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If nobody wanted to purchase the stuff the US produced the US wouldn't still be ranked as the third largest exporter of goods.

Many of the non military items produced by the US people will never see on any retail shelf.

Just saying.



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