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Wittgenstein never considered such difficulties, and as a matter of fact, was tortured by his own personal lies and moral imperfections. Perhaps the great man's philosophy was hamstrung by his shortsightedness. Certainly we can all see this now given our authority's penchant for dishonesty and our community's affinity for engaging in shared self deceptions.
This is not a thread that assumes Apollo fraudulent, not does it assume Apollo authentic, nor is it a thread that assumes Irwin to be an ACTIVE participant in the perpetration of fraud as regards Apollo, though within the "world" of this thread, Apollo may be inauthentic, as Irwin may, or for that matter may not, have been an active Apollo fraud participant.
Originally posted by decisively
reply to post by denver22
Nothing here is assumed, Apollo authenticity/inauthenticity is not an issue, not a focus per se...
This is not a thread that assumes Apollo fraudulent,
Since decisively has access to Jim Irwin's original source material I'll be happy to allow his team take the lead on Jim Irwin's plane crash, crushed legs, memory loss and experience with hypnosis. If you can be brief, decisively
as Irwin may, or for that matter may not, have been an active Apollo fraud participant.
Originally posted by DJW001
1) Only Scott Bobs around like he is in outer space. Obviously they are trying to "fool" us into thinking that this is a genuine space mission by having Scott float up and down as you see him doing there. Worden and Irwin are sort of painted on there, glued if you will, to the CM backdrop. Bit of an exaggeration, but not much. This is an example of a "weightless scene" which we may have "figured out". Keep in mind, all weightless scenes were NOT done the same way. This one more likely than not employed a layering technique, like green screening or something similar. Scott is the overlay. He would have been shot with nothing but GREEN behind him and then when layered, the only thing one would see from that filming would be Scott, the green having been subtracted out.
Originally posted by decisively
How does one know a "genesis rock" when one SEES one ? Boy them ain'tstronauts are smart (NOT) !!!!
To be sure SayonaraJupiter, it is hard to know where to begin with James Irwin. You've done nothing less than declare it OPEN SEASON on one of Fraudulent Apollo's most intriguing charlatans.
When I think of Jim Irwin and Apollo 15, one of the first things that, BING !!!!!, comes to mind, is the "Genesis Rock" business. Talk about a PLANT, and this is a PLANT inside of a phony story to begin with. How do these guys know this rock is so special to begin with ? I mean I know the story about how Harrison Schmitt went and talked Lee Silver into being a lunar geologist and got Professor Silver to train the astronauts. But come on now, you are on the moon, just strolling along and you see this rock and know it to be that special ? It is one of the most contrived, flat out bogus stories in all of Apollo, and THAT !!!!, is saying a lot coming from these, THE MAVENS OF CON.
But anyhoo, back to Irwin. I believe we are missing a lot as regards Edwards. Dyna-Soar Pilots, MOL Pilots, NASA astronauts, all of these wild test planes, the YP-12, the SR71 Blackbird. Borman going to visit Irwin post injury, EEGs, the chubby guy Wyman with the head injury losing 5 years worth of memory and on and on and on. This stuff is crackers wild, crazy , interesting.
Do you think Irwin knew all along that NASA, U.S. manned space flight was a cover for top secret U.S. military projects ? When do you think these guys "find out" this is about weapons, "plane" and simple ?