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Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm... WND

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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I live in Las Vegas, and the Metro Police Dept here is rather gung ho, and they have alot of incidents.

Even though I have a Nevada CFP , (which is a serious pain in the butt to get by the way) I am still extra cautious with LVMPD, for example if I get pulled over for traffic stop, All windows get rolled down hazards are turned on and both hands are placed outside the drivers side window with fingers spread very far apart. I dont take any chances with these guys.

This case bothers me for several reasons, 1. the surveillance tapes form this fellow allegedly destroying property in the store disappeared. 2. this fellows weapons were both in holsters when he was shot. 3. This was not the first shooting incident with this particular officer.




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:12 AM
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loss prevention officers have access CCTV here's a link for a what they do at biglots

• Protect Company Assets
• Monitor employees via CCTV to identify internal dishonesty
• Maintain building security by performing various audits and conducting burglar alarm tests.
• Reduce shrink by performing various audits within the facility.
• Complete daily audits: receiving, shipping, high value, non-convey.
• Conduct weekly high value inventory audit in order to identify losses.
• Increase safety awareness by enforcing policies and procedures.
• Plan and develop safety contest and awards for our yearly Employee Health Fair.
• Conduct weekly safety checklist throughout the facility in order to identify and correct safety concerns.
• Issue safety violations to associates who perform unsafe acts.
• Respond to associate accidents to administer first aid, take a report and investigate the cause of the accident.
• Assist in training and developing new Loss Prevention Officers.
• Daily responsibilities, patrol duties, gate procedures, report writing, and warehouse operations.
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If they monitor the cctvs they might have access to the DVR. a couple of pulled wires at the powerbox will make the cameras seem down.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:38 AM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
I live in Las Vegas, and the Metro Police Dept here is rather gung ho, and they have alot of incidents.

Even though I have a Nevada CFP , (which is a serious pain in the butt to get by the way) I am still extra cautious with LVMPD, for example if I get pulled over for traffic stop, All windows get rolled down hazards are turned on and both hands are placed outside the drivers side window with fingers spread very far apart. I dont take any chances with these guys.

This case bothers me for several reasons, 1. the surveillance tapes form this fellow allegedly destroying property in the store disappeared. 2. this fellows weapons were both in holsters when he was shot. 3. This was not the first shooting incident with this particular officer.


good points made. it seems the tapes always disappear or the equipment malfunctions at the worst times.


with the guys history and being with his girlfriend, i just don't see him going into any store and destroying merchandise and besides when does destroying merchandise merit lethal force?

he was leaving like they asked and died with his gun holstered, that's a bad kill.

many cops are degenerative these days, it's like a disease among mankind. for every nut job out there we have been given 10 degenerative cops and 1 good cop to take care of the issue and the good cops won't say anything because of F.O.P.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 06:39 AM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
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It also looks as though Costco is complicit in the cover up by announcing that their cameras were non functional at the time of the shooting.

That is unacceptable. We will NOT be shopping at ANY Costco ever again.



well this guy's dead, he'll never see another sunny day. and all costco can say of the matter is the cctv camera malfunctioned.

but they never seem to malfunction when a customer is cramming trays of steak down his pants.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 07:00 AM
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Barring the victim actually having gone on a rampage in the store if that is indeed what happened this situation well illustrates why I am a proponent of open rather than concealed carry. At least for the period of time we have to play catch-up with our rights.

Again, excluding him actually rampaging around the store, what caused this is ignorance. It isnt "normal" to see a gun so the typical reaction is going to be extreme and pushed by fear by default.

The post on the second page by XXX777 shows what happens when that abnormal stigma is lifted. Nothing. Nothing at all happens. And that's what should happen.

A gun is not a threat. A person with a gun is not a threat. A retarded monkey has better threat detection skills that apparently a lot of cops and a lot of people in general who perceive anything that doesnt fall within their comfort zone as a threat and the cops who see everything that isnt a cop as a threat.

And to say he deserves to be dead because of store policy? That's insane!

You say "excuse me sir, store policy forbids the carrying of weapons. I'll have to ask you to leave or lock it in your car."

But of course that's too sensible. That's too logical. What we do now is wet our pants, have a hysterical hissy fit and call in some psychopath who can kill this "abnormal" thing with all the righteousness of the almighty state behind him.

The number one thing gun rights proponents need to push for is normalcy. You arent a freak for defending yourself. You arent an al quaeda operative or militant bigot. You're just another shopper at Costco.

As a side note I always thought Nevada was one of those pro-gun sanctuaries? Guess I was wrong.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
It also looks as though Costco is complicit in the cover up by announcing that their cameras were non functional at the time of the shooting.


That along with this make it very suspicious...


EMTs reported that they removed Scott’s gun and holster from the waistband of his jeans in the ambulance and that they saw no other gun, yet, after police broke into Scott’s apartment and confiscated the firearms there, the story came out that Scott was carrying two guns that day.


What have his firearms in his apartment got to do with this?


Was there any legal reason whatsoever to seize them?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by DrMattMaddix
It also looks as though Costco is complicit in the cover up by announcing that their cameras were non functional at the time of the shooting.


That along with this make it very suspicious...


EMTs reported that they removed Scott’s gun and holster from the waistband of his jeans in the ambulance and that they saw no other gun, yet, after police broke into Scott’s apartment and confiscated the firearms there, the story came out that Scott was carrying two guns that day.


What have his firearms in his apartment got to do with this?


Was there any legal reason whatsoever to seize them?


They need a second gun with his name on it to plant so they could claim he had 2 guns.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 07:56 AM
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When you build a world based on wild west fantasy, and everybody is a gunslinger -- things escalate. Want to carry guns everywhere - what else do people expect to happen?
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:02 AM
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Funny how if someone kills a K9 unit, they're charged with the murder of a POLICE OFFICER.

Cop kills human, gets away with it.

OUR lives are lower than that of an actual DOG because it has a badge.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:09 AM
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7 rounds??? Really?? Sjeesh.. Was the vet wearing body armor or sump'tin??

Sounds suspiciously like a panick-co**-up by the officer. Personally I detèst guns, buuut.. When the carrier is within his rights in the specific state to "carry" , it's not for me to say something about his gun. Law is law, éven when I am not especially fond of it.

It looks like a stupid, sad incident, costing someone's life. It's also the true risk of a society where carrying concealed is allowed. Make of it what you want.....

Next time it's an undercover-detective that gets balled-down by an over-zealous guard in a store, whatever... It's the result of policies people vote for. Deal with it.

*shrugs* I don't see the problem here. When everybody is potentially armed, it becomes a war-zone, where éverybody is a risk afa officers are concerned. Cannot blame them.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by spyder550
When you build a world based on wild west fantasy, and everybody is a gunslinger -- things escalate. What to carry guns everywhere - what else do people expect to happen?


Exáctly my point.
I am an ex-milpo officer, and wouldn't have taken the risk of an armed guy drawing first..sooo..

Have gun--] get war-zone. Choices.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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My son in law is a cop -- the fact that anyone can have a gun - escalates every single traffic stop or interaction.

There will be more of this, you are a cop you see a gun - you don't have a lot of time to evaluate the situation and ponder a reaction. The first guy fires and that's all she wrote. Yippee Kai a



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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Loss prevention was probably a democrat



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by lee anoma
Bag of skittles, licensed handgun...some people just want an excuse.

I suppose like with Trayvon, we should wait for all the facts, no?

This article does seem quite biased.

- Lee

This happened in July 2010. Why don't you actually read the article before you decide to comment on it.

I took 2 minutes to do a google search, and I quickly found out that one of the officers involved in the shooting was later charged with a seperate crime of giving firearms to a convicted felon as a gift. He shoots lawful citizens for legally carrying firearms, but has no problem giving weapons to complete criminals.

The level of ignorance on here lately is staggering.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by Revealation
Funny how if someone kills a K9 unit, they're charged with the murder of a POLICE OFFICER.

Cop kills human, gets away with it.

OUR lives are lower than that of an actual DOG because it has a badge.


Glad you brought that up. At what point would it be ok to treat a Police Officer like a criminal? Like if someone were to be pulled over, harrassed, maybe threatened or assaulted. Should you be able to shoot them dead? What is your wife told you the story that in the middle of the night she was driving and some guy stopped her, pulled her out of the car and scared her with the legalities of operating her car on a pubilc road way, then touched her, oh I mean "frisked", and she reached for her gun and shot him dead.

Cops, some are good, some are bad, but it's still just a another regular person with a gun. Everyone cries out loud when people talk people with guns, where they can or can't have them, or how many you can have with you or under your mattress. It does not matted if my pistol has a 10 round mag or a 60 round drum, one bullet will cause enough damage to ruin more than one life in one second,

Why do people get scared when they see someone carring a gun, yet they call the guys WITH guns to deal with the person with a gun?

If this was reversed, what would we think. Let's say, this guys brother heard a cop may have shot him in cold blood at Costco. So the bother grabs his gun and goes to where the cop is and sees the cop carring his gun, Cop, gun, cold blood murder..... brother can shoot the cop right? No? Because the brother is a telephone repairman and not a glorified parking ticket metermaid?

Sorry, losing my train of thought.....



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

A gun is not a threat. A person with a gun is not a threat. A retarded monkey has better threat detection skills that apparently a lot of cops and a lot of people in general who perceive anything that doesnt fall within their comfort zone as a threat and the cops who see everything that isnt a cop as a threat.


This is nonsense -- the SOLE purpose of a gun is a threat. The way guns are marketed concentrates on a guns deadliness. Laser sites the coloring the shape the names, the whole gun schtick is marketing to macho.

Do you really think it is just a fashion accessory.

Your concept that it isn't a threat is what makes it dangerous.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by spyder550

Your concept that it isn't a threat is what makes it dangerous.



It's an inanimate hunk of metal.

Threat escalation begins when a human hand makes contact with it. Still it's not an imminent threat.

It becomes an imminent threat when that human hand raises it toward you.

Be more rational and less reactionary.

It's exactly the same for any other inanimate object. A rock, a stick, a knife, a car. Simply existing isnt threatening.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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OK, so.........granted if someone is pointing a weapon at a cop (derogatory term for policeman but its ok if he is relation right? kinda like callin each other the H word?) Then he deserves what he gets right? Ok I can live with that.

What if he's not?

What if the guy is minding his own business? And has no legal reason for being stopped on the street? He wasn't in a car and he wasn't doin 55 in a 10 mph zone with a costco shopping cart? The policeman should have identified himself, and held a conversation sighting the concerns of the business managers. If anything explained that he needed to check the weapon while they conversate. Happened to me a couple times in the past and the cops didn't freak out.

I'm strapped all the time, and when people figure it out theyre rational about it. Also, I never seemed to notice any clearly posted notice on the outside of a costco that says you cannot carry firearms inside...legally they have to do this, not because someone feels threatened by a gun thats not pointed at them.


PIGS do not have the right to stop someone walking about if no crime has been committed by said individual...armed or not. And if anything the guy died for violating a store policy which does not constitute a crime. This antigun BS sure gets a lot of innocent people killed doesn't it my lil piggy friends?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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So.....your a democrat too?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by Revealation
Funny how if someone kills a K9 unit, they're charged with the murder of a POLICE OFFICER.

Cop kills human, gets away with it.

OUR lives are lower than that of an actual DOG because it has a badge.


Welcome to Amerika, where animals that serve the establishment have more rights than the people who don't.
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