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Cops gun down man for legally carrying firearm... WND

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by diakrite

Originally posted by spyder550
When you build a world based on wild west fantasy, and everybody is a gunslinger -- things escalate. What to carry guns everywhere - what else do people expect to happen?


Exáctly my point.
I am an ex-milpo officer, and wouldn't have taken the risk of an armed guy drawing first..sooo..

Have gun--] get war-zone. Choices.


What a bunch of crap! Any police officer who shoots first and asks questions later is not doing his job! I really don't believe this gguy pulled down on these cops or cop.... I just believe the cctv magically stopped when the incident occured.....

Police have been trained to be trigger happy in using force in any situtation to resolve it. They are taught that they are the masters and everyone will capitulate or else.... Police training is the real problem......




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:42 PM
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(I am just waiting for a headline like like this to show up.
"Cops guns down little old lady, enraged crowd guns down the cops") It will read terrorist kills Peace Officer ,,,,That was responding to an assault and eventual murder of a Grandmother by the terrorist.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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He was asked to leave private property by an employee, and didnt: Trespassing.

He was confronted by police, and refused to comply. Also illegal. They know him to be armed, and he is not compliant.

Ironic thing is in NV it is legal to carry an UNconcealed gun without a permit. But his was concealed, and in violation of state law.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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A gun is PRIVATE PROPERTY

Why do so many people oppose it?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by stanguilles7
 


A gun is PRIVATE PROPERTY

Why do so many people oppose it?


You and your false equivalencies, neo.

You oppose the rights of private property owners to ask people to leave their property?

You've gone from a pseudo-libertarian to an anarchist.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by stanguilles7
 


A gun is PRIVATE PROPERTY

Why do so many people oppose it?


A gun is personal property. You need more education, let me help you.

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Some of the people that have responded make me laugh. Have any of you done any research other than read this post? I have never trusted the police 100%, but it looks like this shooting was justified. The Las Vegas Sun Times has an article that spans over five days regarding the Coroner's Inquest of the shooting.

There are witnesses that saw Erik Scott raise and point his weapon at the officers. Erik Scott also had numerous drugs in his system when he was shot. Two doctors testified that he was addicted to pain killers. He had a high level of morphine, ephedrine and amphetamines in his system.

Also, the so called "glitch" of the camera did not take place at the exact time of the shooting. Costco called a repair company a few days prior and the camera was scheduled for repair a few days after the shooting.

I don't trust the cops anymore than the next guy. But, when you have drugs in your system, acting erratically and then point the concealed weapon at the cops, you are going to get shot. Costco has a right as a private property owner to not let any weapons on their property. The 2nd amendment does not apply. They are also considered an exclusive club and have the right to ask members in violation of the club rules to leave the property.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by yourmaker
I don't know about any of you. but this story completely pissed me off.
1000% proof that something is horribly wrong.

where is the military's outcry?? where are Americans demanding justice by the thousands?
wtf was the point of those wars, where American kids were sent off to USE GUNS, now they come home and get shot for LEGALLY carrying?


Not legal. In Nevada one does not have the right to carry a concealed weapon on private property.


so the fact that he was peacefully leaving the premises means nothing to you?
I retract my statement if I am incorrect in that sense, but if the problem could be averted simply by asking the man to leave, why should it escalate unnecessarily?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by yourmaker
I don't know about any of you. but this story completely pissed me off.
1000% proof that something is horribly wrong.

where is the military's outcry?? where are Americans demanding justice by the thousands?
wtf was the point of those wars, where American kids were sent off to USE GUNS, now they come home and get shot for LEGALLY carrying?


Not legal. In Nevada one does not have the right to carry a concealed weapon on private property.


so the fact that he was peacefully leaving the premises means nothing to you?
I retract my statement if I am incorrect in that sense, but if the problem could be averted simply by asking the man to leave, why should it escalate unnecessarily?


He didn't leave peacefully, as evidenced by the fact that he was still there when the cops arrived.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:54 PM
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I do not support fascism state sponsored or otherwise.

Hip hip hoorah for those who do!

And a gun is private property no different.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by stanguilles7
 


I do not support fascism state sponsored or otherwise.

Hip hip hoorah for those who do!

And a gun is private property no different.


Again, a gun is not private property.

A gun is PERSONAL PROPERTY.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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Who needs education ?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Who the hell can not understand what that means?

IT does not mean part of the time.some of the time, but ALL THE TIME

Zeig Heil!

Zeig Heil!



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by yourmaker
I don't know about any of you. but this story completely pissed me off.
1000% proof that something is horribly wrong.

where is the military's outcry?? where are Americans demanding justice by the thousands?
wtf was the point of those wars, where American kids were sent off to USE GUNS, now they come home and get shot for LEGALLY carrying?


Not legal. In Nevada one does not have the right to carry a concealed weapon on private property.


so the fact that he was peacefully leaving the premises means nothing to you?
I retract my statement if I am incorrect in that sense, but if the problem could be averted simply by asking the man to leave, why should it escalate unnecessarily?


He didn't leave peacefully, as evidenced by the fact that he was still there when the cops arrived.


Timely and peacefully are two separate things. Do you need some education?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Furbs
 


Who needs education ?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Who the hell can not understand what that means?

IT does not mean part of the time.some of the time, but ALL THE TIME

Zeig Heil!

Zeig Heil!


According to you perhaps.

Not according to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.

Again en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by MJZoo

Originally posted by Furbs

Originally posted by yourmaker

Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by yourmaker
I don't know about any of you. but this story completely pissed me off.
1000% proof that something is horribly wrong.

where is the military's outcry?? where are Americans demanding justice by the thousands?
wtf was the point of those wars, where American kids were sent off to USE GUNS, now they come home and get shot for LEGALLY carrying?


Not legal. In Nevada one does not have the right to carry a concealed weapon on private property.


so the fact that he was peacefully leaving the premises means nothing to you?
I retract my statement if I am incorrect in that sense, but if the problem could be averted simply by asking the man to leave, why should it escalate unnecessarily?


He didn't leave peacefully, as evidenced by the fact that he was still there when the cops arrived.


Timely and peacefully are two separate things. Do you need some education?


One can't have left if one is still present. No matter how 'peaceful' he was, he was still a trespasser with a gun.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 04:13 PM
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The security guard? Yeah, maybe an accessory .. it was the filthy pig that shot the poor man. HE should be charged with murder. I'm sick of cops getting immunity for their actions. He gunned down an innocent person legally carrying a firearm.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 04:15 PM
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Leave the pistol in the car

I was waiting for someone to say that. And if someone breaks into that car and steals that firearm, then what? What do you think it will be used for then? And by whom?

A concealed carry permit is just that...carried. Persons with that permit know that the safest place for that firearm is on the hip. Period.

Not to leave it somewhere or hand it over to anyone else. There is no reason for that. The protection that firearm offers is only relevant to the proximity of the owner. They were able to secure that permit because they were deemed qualified to handle it.

Only an able bodied person of sound mind with no prior record would be issued such a permit in the first place. This man was not a "fugitive on the run" or a "wanted felon", he was a private law abiding citizen minding his own business. You would want that kind of person around. No better protection from your worst nightmare is more apparent than an armed civilian. I used to think that about store dicks and police too, but anymore... I'm not sure.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Wolf321
 


The security guard? Yeah, maybe an accessory .. it was the filthy pig that shot the poor man. HE should be charged with murder. I'm sick of cops getting immunity for their actions. He gunned down an innocent person legally carrying a firearm.


No, he lawfully shot a trespasser illegally carrying a firearm.

Big difference.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 04:28 PM
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Furbs, are you still shooting trespassers on here? Shame on you.


One can't have left if one is still present. No matter how 'peaceful' he was, he was still a trespasser with a gun.

Well at least they waited till he was thru the door. Other wise the store might have to pay the janitor extra for mopping up all the blood off the linoleum.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Furbs
 

Furbs, are you still shooting trespassers on here? Shame on you.


One can't have left if one is still present. No matter how 'peaceful' he was, he was still a trespasser with a gun.

Well at least they waited till he was thru the door. Other wise the store might have to pay the janitor extra for mopping up all the blood off the linoleum.


I haven't shot anyone. I don't carry a gun. Had this guy been equally as sensible, he would still be alive.



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