posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 10:48 PM
Originally posted by tkwasny
I can only accept self-evident Truth. For me all things infinite never began, cannot change, cannot end. All things finite can only begin, exist a
period of time, then terminate. Infinite cannot generate from finite, but it is clear finite has generated because of infinite. The contents of what
is the known Universe is all composed of finite, thus is not the origination or originator. The key for us finites is why would infinite generate
finite anything. I'm on board with it has absolutely nothing to do with us, for us. Yet we are all used where it has everything to do with us, for the
purposes of the infinite. Our obtaining evermore newness is a side light (but not to us).
And yet an infinite presence (as in no beginning whatsoever, but as existing literally always with no emergence at all) is conceptually and logically
abhorrent to everything that exists in any actual provable physical state, which suggests that if something is truly infinite, it can't physically
associate in any sense whatsoever with that which is clearly and reliably real. This incompatibility prevents the infinite anything form being able to
bring the finite anything into existence, which nullifies the idea of an infinite creator intelligence or consciousness or anything at all. Whatever
it is that actively brings something into existence, exists in the same being state as that which it has brought into existence, and with only two
being states (Absolute and Relative) to choose from, and the finite (that which is brought into existence) obviously existing in a Relative state of
being, there's really no logical place for an infinite (Absolute being state) anything to fit into the process of physical emergence. Such a thing (if
it could even exist) simply has no relevance whatsoever - well, beyond the belief system of human beings, of course.
If you carefully factor the idea of an infinite initiator having any involvement within the genesis of finite physical existence, you run into the
same wall that everyone runs into that's ever tried to work this thing out. It's a dead end, and has been for thousands of years. You can't point to
an entity that violates all the existential basics of everything that can be proven to exist, as the author, when there's no physical or contextual
linkage possible between it and what it supposedly created. In truth, that sort of assertion is just the same as throwing up your hands and turning on
the TV set.
And yet, all of this does exist. And there was an initial emergence. Obviously, the infinite something-or-other isn't the culprit, but something did
occur. And since whatever it was that did bring it all into progressive development has to be based on what has developed since that initiating
occurrence, determining what it was and how it happened is not unknowable. Hell, it's probably not even all that physically foreign to what still
exists and still continues in progressive development. Like how carbon is still the basis of living matter on this planet, and always has been.
Progressive development changes structure, but never the unitary basis of that structure. It just changes configuration and application. That's
important to note here.
edit on 6/1/2012 by NorEaster because: (no reason given)