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4,000 years ago, climate change caused massive civilization collapse

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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That was an inquiry my Dear Zazz,
Not a statement of fact.


Are there Cultures or Civilizations that started at or around 2,000 BC?
Did the Egyptians see a higher level of civilization then a drop of sorts then slowly rise in greatness again during those periods?

More questions, not statements of fact.

moons you back


Your bum is prettier than mine in spite of your muffin top




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by zazzafrazz
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Sadly for you, you're imploring me to ignore science will fall on deaf ears, as I look at factual evidence, not the bible.
I'm not asking you to ignore science, I'm asking you, for your sake, not to believe everything you hear because of argument from authority.

If you want scientific evidence from a worldwide flood, I have already given you tidbits of it- which would you like to start with? the grand canyon, how it's impossible to have been formed by anything but a great amount of water, and not a tiny stream and wind? or how about the clams on top of Mt. Everest, found in the closed position (if you do not know, clams open when they die- in order to find them closed, they must be petrified)?


But keep spamming your religion in all the threads, I can see it makes you believe harder....You're convincing yourself, no one else.


May I ask you, have you spoken to every single person who sees my posts, and asked them if I have convinced them of anything? If you have not, then how then can you make the statement, "You're convincing yourself, no one else"? It doesn't seem logical.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:25 AM
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I haven't researched (and probably should), so this is more of a question than a statement...
So...say the earth is just trodding along and there was a pole shift. Let's say the pole shift caused a breakdown of the electromagnetic field and the sun's infrared rays scorched the surface. After the shift was complete, the field re-established. Perhaps in the turmoil, there were many volcanic eruptions due to the shifting field affecting the the crust in some way, spewing tons of dust into the atmosphere. This dust blocks out the sun's rays and causes an ice age that would eventually subside when the dust finally settles out of the atmosphere. Then, to really throw a wrench into it, the poles shift again and the sun again blasts the surface causing all the glaciers to melt very quickly, but the field quickly recovers but now the surface is covered with water. As the climate regulates, the artic zones form causing the sea level to lower once again.
Now, if, during all this activity, mankind had already existed and only a very, very few survived all the turmoil... they could have been quite advanced but the survivors weren't able to recreate everything that had existed before due to small numbers, aging, "average" stature of the survivors as opposed to the "scientific community", lots of reasons. ...
All those advanced cities are deep under the ocean now and we can't get to them to study them, we can only look at the remnants of what wasn't covered with water in all the shifting and that's where our knowledge is of the past for the present time.
Not saying this happened, just asking the question... is it possible?
or even, are parts of it possible? Could there have been civilizations much more advanced than we are now (with or without the alien intervention stuff, don't want to get into that), but that advancement was lost due to "disaster" and couldn't be rebuilt by the survivors?
Just brainstorming possibilities, no idea whether there's anything to support it or not, but will look into it some now that my curiosity is piqued. ... don't really expect to find much and don't expect it to be correct at all, but will be fun to look for the possibility.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by zazzafrazz

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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. The signs are all around us.



Oh do tell great Slayer. What signs.


You'll just have to wait like everybody else for the thread.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by pheonix358
Could someone answer a long standing question for me on Carbon14 dating please.

I will use an example to best illiterate the question.

Let us begin with a pyramid. Do we carbon date the stones? How? AS far as I can see all we can do is to date the time that the stone block has been exposed to air. Since we know that the pyramids were sheathed in marble all we can really determine is how long it has been since someone stole the marble.

Yes we can presumably date what was found in the pyramids but that only tells us when someone was buried, not when it was constructed. How do we go about dating a pyramid.

P


Stones cannot be dated, there are very few wooden beams built into the pyramid, additionally there is the enormous workers metropolis dating to Khufus time, that has bakehouses, cemeteries with workers remains, animal remains (vast quantities to feed a workforce in the tens of thousands) Ochre kartouches in the pyramid with Khufus name, and other bits and bobs that can be dated.

Hope that helps.
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by zazzafrazz
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Are there Cultures or Civilizations that started at or around 2,000 BC?
Did the Egyptians see a higher level of civilization then a drop of sorts then slowly rise in greatness again during those periods?


Dear Master Slayer

the definition of civilisation is sketchy at best, but for the sake of this ATS thread, we can define it from the record as this :

Sedentation, that is using local resources year round, staying put. spatters started 12000 years ago
In the Levant region of southwest Asia.
Civilistation is more associated with The Neolithic period starting around 8,000 and 5,000 BCE in several locations, and with the stabilisation of agricultural communities and animal domestication we see "civilisations" flourish.

Not sure what you mean by 2000 years ago hun? There were plenty of civilisations globally flourishing then.

Second part of your question:
The Egyptian period can be broken down into the Old Kingdom, mIddle kingdom and the New Kingdom,, and then the Ptolemaic period.
Are you wanting dates for those?
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:52 AM
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It does, thank you.

My personal take on it has always been that the pyramids can not be dated. The remains that can be dated as you said could just have easily been workers to refurbish and sheath an existing structure.

In my home state burial plots are being re-used now as a matter of course. 170 year old remains replaced with the recently deceased.

An ancient structure built for a different purpose refurbished as a burial site for some esoteric religious reason.

The main point I suppose is that the age of the pyramids are an assumption based on other assumptions. The underground rooms could have contained ancient library scrolls that eventually found their way to the Library of Alexandria that promptly burnt down.

Who knows. I don't. But I do like to know when dating is very accurate or in this case based on assumptions. Yes the assuptions are logical, but so may be other assumptions.

P



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Some believe Khufu built the Great Pyramid at or around 2750 BC. Others feel that there was a massive refurbishing of an already existing very ancient Great Pyramid by Khufu not it's construction around 2750 BC. There is plenty to carbon date from the workers bakehouses, cemeteries etc etc etc

And that the Ochre kartouches in the Great Pyramid with Khufus name is either a fraud or simply the workers who tunneled in to the upper support chambers during the refurbishing painted it so as to let those who would follow who did the refurbishing.

I still find it odd that no one has come up with a clear and concise reason why out of all the "Great Tombs" this one has ZERO hieroglyphs.




posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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The Earth has evolved before our time and she will continue to evolve long after we are gone.

How we adapt to Mother Earth and what she throws at us is a different story.

Climate change, yes, but not because of Man. That's what Planet Earth does is constantly change, slowly over time.

I do wish that the historians had kept better records of the Ancients.

Actually, the Vatican probably knows but......



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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All the dating is accurate to the one era, which suggests out of thousands of items all coming to the same date roughly we can make the assumption that this one period is the date for it all. All but one of the wooden beams, as it was reburnt too many times, there is no way to get a accurate time frame for it.

My opinion is that it is a Khufu edifice.

The quarries where the limestoome casing and the stones were "slipwayed" from, have had tools found also dating to Khufus time, so whilst we cant date the rock we can date the tools that broke it up


We are yet to discover what lies behind a block in the north shaft of the queens chamber, Leeds university has a robot that will hopefully get in there, but with all the unrest in Egypt last year, the delays have been forthcoming with permits etc.

I am very excited about this, it could be nothing, just a shaft, or another burial chamber, can't wait to see!
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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:00 AM
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Originally posted by zazzafrazz
Not sure what you mean by 2000 years ago hun? There were plenty of civilisations globally flourishing then.


Yes I know that's why I asked about 2,000 BC


Are there Cultures or Civilizations that started at or around 2,000 BC?


That wouldn't be 2,000 but 4,000 years ago Darling.


Second part of your question:
The Egyptian period can be broken down into the Old Kingdom and the New Kingdom,, and then the Ptolemaic period.
Are you wanting dates for those?


I know the dates. I let those who care to look up when each period started to also do some of their own research as to the dates for each period



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Some believe Khufu built the Great Pyramid at or around 2750 BC. Others feel that there was a massive refurbishing of an already existing very ancient Great Pyramid by Khufu not it's construction around 2750 BC. There is plenty to carbon date from the workers bakehouses, cemeteries etc etc etc

And that the Ochre kartouches in the Great Pyramid with Khufus name is either a fraud or simply the workers who tunneled in to the upper support chambers during the refurbishing painted it so as to let those who would follow who did the refurbishing.

I still find it odd that no one has come up with a clear and concise reason why out of all the "Great Tombs" this one has ZERO hieroglyphs.



Yes, some do believe Khufu had ordered it to be built- still to this day, looking up the Great Pyramids on wikipedia, it credits it to Khufu.

Ridiculous.

Watch the documentary, "The Great Pyramid- Lost Legend of Enoch" and it shows actual evidence as to when it would have been built, by whom (it leaves it open to interpretation.. but strongly implies who did), and many other secrets and interesting facts about the Pyramids.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:06 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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And that the Ochre kartouches in the Great Pyramid with Khufus name is either a fraud or simply the workers who tunneled in to the upper support chambers during the refurbishing painted it so as to let those who would follow who did the refurbishing.

I still find it odd that no one has come up with a clear and concise reason why out of all the "Great Tombs" this one has ZERO hieroglyphs.



Not all tombs in the older period had glyphs, in fact it wasn't till ANAS put the book of the dead in his tomb that the craze really went viral.

There is kartouches and dedications to Khufu on the lower foundation stones, that are covered with the entire pyramid....another misconception its only in the roof

This was placed at time of building as these foundation blocks are enormous.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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then im not sure of your question?

2000 bc yes there was civilisations?



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:09 AM
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I've already written a few threads on the subject.
I've explored the "Academic version" of events here How they Built the Great Pyramid of Egypt

Usually the debate breaks down with some who wont argue the points made but over semantics as though they have made some great point or obtained a victory of sorts.



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:10 AM
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Thank you to all who replied to my question.

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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:31 AM
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s+f for the captivating read yet again slayer, thank you


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posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 02:44 AM
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slay, some more info on the markings in a old post...check it


www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:11 AM
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If you find this possibility interesting you should click on the links I've provided down below in my signature



posted on Jun, 2 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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I thank you for your contribution.
Good luck in your endeavors



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