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"Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself." [Matthew xix. 19.]
"Blessed are ye that hunger now, for ye shall be filled." [Luke vi. 21.]
"Blessed be ye poor, for yours is the kingdom of God." [Luke vi. 20.] But woe unto you that are rich, for ye have received your consolation." [Luke vi. 24.]
Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by mr10k
What Your talking about isn't really the case in the theology of a lot of Christians. For example, most Protestant and all evangelical churches would say good deeds don't really help or hurt your chances of getting into heaven. By accepting Jesus as your savior you are automatically going to heaven, period. What your talking about "good deeds" to buy your way in isn't common theology, may somewhat in catholicism.
Besides why do you care why people are doing good deeds if there doing them? Would you not agree 90% of people sit on their couches and don't volunteer or any of that. We should applaud people who do atheist or religious...
Or we're you only looking for responses that fit your viewpoint?
By accepting Jesus as your savior you are automatically going to heaven, period. What your talking about "good deeds" to buy your way in isn't common theology, may somewhat in catholicism.
Besides why do you care why people are doing good deeds if there doing them? Would you not agree 90% of people sit on their couches and don't volunteer or any of that. We should applaud people who do atheist or religious...
Originally posted by anoncoholic
reply to post by mr10k
you "think" you know yet didn't bother to read 9:22 and 9:23 which defines 9:24
funny how that works...
And he said, “The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.” 23 Then he said to them all: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross daily and follow me.
What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit their very self?
Originally posted by nuttin4nothin
Is there a reason why, people think, the B.I.B.L.E. is a book about heaven and hell? Heaven and hell are rarely talked about. What IS talked about, is God's people, fighting a corrupt devil worshipping system.
As far as "sins" go...."he who forgives much, is FORGIVEN MUCH!"
Please, do yourselves a favor...and start learning some of God's principles. Store up treasures in heaven, with your works on earth. Give, forgive, and love. It's as easy as 1, 2, 3!
Next topic!!!
Store up treasures in heaven, with your works on earth. Give, forgive, and love.
Originally posted by KnawLick
reply to post by mr10k
I mean we are getting into fine details of the bible here but lets give a whirl. You got to remember Jesus came as the reformer for Judaism not as the founder of Christianity. So if you read the bible Jesus does give many teachings and ways to better one self, to be followed by all. But on the issue of heaven, if you read the bible, Jesus makes it plain and simple: gentiles (all non-jews) go to heaven simple by accepting him as your savior. This was the whole point of Jesus, lol its pretty obvious most people don't like the Jews, so it was a way for gentiles to still get into heaven.
"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life; and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. "
On the other point. I'm not trying to be rude I just don't see the point... Kids volunteer to get brownie points for college, etc. I don't see any volunteering as self-serving or greedy. I assure you a homeless person in a shelter isn't question the motives of the person serving them the mean the desperately need.
Originally posted by mr10k
Personally, I think Christians who only do good deeds because in the back of their mind they only really care about getting into heaven are disgusting.
Originally posted by tinfoilman
Originally posted by mr10k
Personally, I think Christians who only do good deeds because in the back of their mind they only really care about getting into heaven are disgusting.
That's basically the doctrine of saved by faith. You could say it's like the main doctrine of Christianity. In other words, what you just said Christianity should be, is exactly what it is. You're saved by Jesus, then you spread the word and emulate Christ. Which is just another way of spreading the word.edit on 1-6-2012 by tinfoilman because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by mr10k
Greedy?? Lol, that's where Christ is. We should want to be there where our Lord and Savior is.
Originally posted by mr10k
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by mr10k
Greedy?? Lol, that's where Christ is. We should want to be there where our Lord and Savior is.
Yes, I think it's greedy. Like I said in my analogy:
It's like returning your lost wallet only because I thought you would give me a reward. I should be returning because it's the right thing to do, not because I think I'll get a reward.
If a Christian only does good things because he/she is a Christian that is sad. They should do nice things because they are a person, not what religion they are.
Originally posted by mr10k
Luke 9:24-25
I think this means that whoever lives for the purpose of reaching heaven will not get to heaven, but those who live their life teaching what Jesus taught will get into heaven.
So I've laid out my view. What do you guys think? Would Christians be greedy for wanting to get into Heaven so bad?
Originally posted by mr10k
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by mr10k
Greedy?? Lol, that's where Christ is. We should want to be there where our Lord and Savior is.
Yes, I think it's greedy. Like I said in my analogy:
It's like returning your lost wallet only because I thought you would give me a reward. I should be returning because it's the right thing to do, not because I think I'll get a reward.
If a Christian only does good things because he/she is a Christian that is sad. They should do nice things because they are a person, not what religion they are.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by tinfoilman
Originally posted by mr10k
Personally, I think Christians who only do good deeds because in the back of their mind they only really care about getting into heaven are disgusting.
That's basically the doctrine of saved by faith. You could say it's like the main doctrine of Christianity. In other words, what you just said Christianity should be, is exactly what it is. You're saved by Jesus, then you spread the word and emulate Christ. Which is just another way of spreading the word.edit on 1-6-2012 by tinfoilman because: (no reason given)
Thats not at all the doctrine of "saved by faith".. people trying to earn heaven by doing works are not believers in saved by grace through faith, they would be trying to earn their salvation by works.