Deny Ignorance - A term which Americans find hard to understand

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posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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I swear, this is un-real.

C'mon guys, read what you're posting!! Replace "American" with "Chinese" and it become racist...WTF??

"Not all Chinese people are ignorant, just some."

Does no one else see this?

Oh yeah, and knowledge of history doesn't make someone "less ignorant". It might make them less "knowledgable" though! (We know those are two different things right?)

Anyway, shame on you guys with this hate speech. "Our American members" Does that include the "African-Amercian" ones? Why not just type that out in your generalizations? (Cause it's wrong
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posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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Hang on, saying Britain "abandoned" you is rather harsh and doesn't really paint a true picture. You were not abandoned......we had our hands full at the time and were in no position to help.

Hmm........history being ignored?



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 04:54 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals
Nor is it incorrect to state the US joined the wars (WW1 and WW2) of the British empire before Australia joined "our" (the United States) wars.


Obviously, i never stated otherwise.


Nobody is going to rewrite history books to accommodate your slighted pride over facts that make you uncomfortable.
I assure you, not everything you read in the American history books is true. Especially considering the Pacific theatre.


There is a difference between denying ignorance and ignorantly denying but maybe they teach that Australia beat Japan single-handedly, I'm not familiar with Australian public education but listening to you that must be the case since there's 2 of you that concur.




This is either you ignorantly stating what our education system is like, or you arrogantly depicting yourself above Australians.

You my friend are the very depiction of the American ATSer i was talking about. One that chooses to reply arrogantly and/or ignorantly.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 04:57 AM
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For instructional purposes, I have replaced "American" with "Chinese"


Originally posted by daaskapital
Here we go. Round up for another one of daaskapital's anti-Chinese threads


I will put it in simple terms so the Chinese on ATS will understand:

Most of you are ignorant to other countries, world events, and (this is a big one) history!

Furthermore, most of you choose to remain in that state of mind, talking out of your arses, or going off what you read in Chinese history books, or Chinese sources. It doesn't cut it when it isn't real history. It doesn't cut it when others tell you about the real circumstances and provide legitimate sources.

The Chinese ignorance, and indeed, arrogance is astounding. Do you even know what type of crap most of you talk sometimes? Heck, even a moderator was talking in their ignorance yesterday, defying the very quote in which they should be enforcing.

No, i am not anti-Chinese. No i don't hate you all. I just think you's should do more research before talking crap.

Perhaps it isn't the ignorance of most of the Chinese of ATS which leads them to act like this. It may be that the arrogance is the overwhelming factor. Most of you are too arrogant for your own good. Most of you are so arrogant, you think you's are always right, and you won't listen to what others have to say. This inevitably leads to what we call, ignorance. Try researching for more, unbiased sources than quote the first thing you see as true. Try taking into account what other members have to say, than just pushing them aside, or arguing, using your bias sources.

The act of commenting without knowledge or credible sources is one that i only see Chinese on ATS do. So please, to the Chinese on ATS, Deny Ignorance


Seriously yo, you need to work on that hate.

And speaking of arrogance...



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 04:58 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by daaskapital
 


Hang on, saying Britain "abandoned" you is rather harsh and doesn't really paint a true picture. You were not abandoned......we had our hands full at the time and were in no position to help.

Hmm........history being ignored?


Considering we offered our help in return for Britain's, and the fact that they didn't deliver their word after we had, can be considered abandoning. It is the whole reason as to why we are so close to the USA today...



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 04:59 AM
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I would say American refers to anyone who lives in America. Race or religion isn't relevant.

And sorry, but i stand by my statement. Some of the most ignorant historical claims i have ever seen have been mainly by Americans. However, i also concede there may be many reasons for this. For example, there are probably far more Americans on sites such as this than people of other nations - therefore there will be more stupid comments, etc.

Some lack of historical knowledge is pure ignorance rather than simply a lack of knowledge - for example when someone is parroting the same inane, disproven point time and time again.

Again, i will say that people of all nationalities are guilty of this but if we did a numbers count, i'm afraid to say the US would be way in the lead.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:01 AM
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Notice readers how it is ignored...

The blatent hatred and racism (What else could it be? If it is racist when it is about the Chinese...)

Just because we are a melting-pot doesn't mean we don't have feelings. What the hell? Are you going to answer my question as to:

"Why the bigotry?"

That's all it is, you don't like Americans and you're gonna let everyone know how much better you are than they. (IE Arrogance)

Also, these are the types of discussions that bring ignorance to ATS not dispell it.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by daaskapital
 


Hang on, saying Britain "abandoned" you is rather harsh and doesn't really paint a true picture. You were not abandoned......we had our hands full at the time and were in no position to help.

Hmm........history being ignored?


Considering we offered our help in return for Britain's, and the fact that they didn't deliver their word after we had, can be considered abandoning. It is the whole reason as to why we are so close to the USA today...


Really? So the fact we were penned in on our Island didn't have much to do with it then?


Quite a funny viewpoint considering the purpose of the thread..........



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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All I ask is to think a little.

AN American was ignorant. As in ONE. You have to admit you, me, and the OPer; well we don't know that many people.

Once you break it into fractions (ex: Americans) the number gets smaller. Does 50 stupid Americans = All American members?

No, and to suggest that it does (Like this thread) is bigotry plain and simple. Actually, it is quite "American" if we are gonna play stereotypes



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:04 AM
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Originally posted by adigregorio
Notice readers how it is ignored...

The blatent hatred and racism (What else could it be? If it is racist when it is about the Chinese...)

Just because we are a melting-pot doesn't mean we don't have feelings. What the hell? Are you going to answer my question as to:

"Why the bigotry?"

That's all it is, you don't like Americans and you're gonna let everyone know how much better you are than they. (IE Arrogance)

Also, these are the types of discussions that bring ignorance to ATS not dispell it.


Shut up mate! You're getting annoying


I' not racist, settle down will you.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:05 AM
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Oh look, a moderator engaging in "Anti-Australian" discussions...
reply to post by daaskapital
 


You did accuse me of bashing Australians then. I was the only Moderator participating so everyone knew who you referring to .

I will admit the "you'd be speaking Japanese" comment was over the top yet was a real possibility.

The fact remains Japan was on Australia's doorstep as this map shows and you had nothing but a couple of light cruisers left to fight them off with. no carriers, no battleships and precious few planes. Australians can fight as good as anyone but courage alone wouldn't have been enough to prevent the Japanese from pounding Australia's coastal cities.

upload.wikimedia.org...
It was still Australia and the British Empire's war before it was Americas. You guys bore the brunt of it for 2 years before we entered which is why there was no Royal Australian Navy left by that point. Not that the RAN was capable of defeating the IJN at any point before then. You can still thank the USN for not having to rebuild your cities like most of Western Europe had to.


edit on 1-6-2012 by Asktheanimals because: corrections
edit on 1-6-2012 by Asktheanimals because: corrections



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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I asked why the bigotry.

Racisim is an offshoot of bigotry, since you are not singling out a race it is not racism.

You are exhibiting signs of bigotry though:



big·ot·ry
   [big-uh-tree] Show IPA

noun, plural big·ot·ries.
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.

dictionary.reference.com...



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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Well from my point of view, it is an appeal to people in the US to learn history rather than believe whatever Hollywood or whoever would have them believe.

I am really not anti US - part of my family emigrated there in the 1880's and never came back. Go quite regularly to see family members, etc.

No, for me at least, it is simply a desire for people to know their history.

ETA:

I will expand this though. I wish EVERYONE would learn history properly.
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posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian

Originally posted by daaskapital

Originally posted by Flavian
reply to post by daaskapital
 


Hang on, saying Britain "abandoned" you is rather harsh and doesn't really paint a true picture. You were not abandoned......we had our hands full at the time and were in no position to help.

Hmm........history being ignored?


Considering we offered our help in return for Britain's, and the fact that they didn't deliver their word after we had, can be considered abandoning. It is the whole reason as to why we are so close to the USA today...


Really? So the fact we were penned in on our Island didn't have much to do with it then?


Quite a funny viewpoint considering the purpose of the thread..........


It is a viewpoint which was shared throughout Australia at the time. I understand that Britain had her own problems to deal with, and for that i can understand where you are coming from. It is hard to lend forces while being bombed, and having forces at the front door. Australia would have felt the same back then also, what with the Japanese on our front door and bombarding us. Just that we are bigger



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by Asktheanimals



Oh look, a moderator engaging in "Anti-Australian" discussions...
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You did accuse me of bashing Australians then.
I will admit the "you'd be speaking Japanese" comment was over the top.
The fact remains Japan was on Australia's doorstep as this map shows and you had nothing but a couple of light cruisers left to fight them off with. no carriers, no battleships and precious few planes. Australians can fight as good as anyone but courage alone wouldn't have been enough to prevent the Japanese from pounding Australia's coastal cities.

upload.wikimedia.org...
It was still Australia and the British Empire's war before it was Americas. You guys bore the brunt of it for 2 years before we entered which is why there was no Royal Australian Navy left by that point.




I accused you of being "anti-Australian"
, If you hadn't noticed it was a mock of the word "anti-American" that too many of Americans on here use. You quoted the word "bashing" in your first post which would suggest i stated that, which i didn't.

Yes, we had ships, but they were off with the US

Courage was enough to defeat the Intended Japanese invading force in New Guinea, considering Australia pushed the Japanese back and conclusively defeated them (with the help of cutting the supply lines from the US).

Also, Australia had it's own plans in case the Japanese attacked. They wouldn't have been excellent plans though, so luckily they were scrapped. It was called the Brisbane line, where Australia would surrender the Northern part of Queensland to the Japanese and hold them off at Brisbane.

Pretty interesting.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:26 AM
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The "Brisbane Line" was a controversial defence proposal allegedly formulated during World War II to concede the northern portion of the Australian continent in the event of an invasion by the Japanese. Although a plan to prioritise defence in the vital industrial regions between Brisbane and Melbourne in the event of invasion had been proposed in February 1942, it was rejected by Labor Prime Minister John Curtin and the Australian War Cabinet.

MacArthur, in his own memoir Reminiscences, stated that the if an invasion did occur the Australian military had plans to establish a line of defence following the Darling River from Brisbane to Adelaide.





posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:36 AM
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That is interesting. I confess to not knowing enough about Australia (i think because, much as i love it, i will never go there as i am a pussy when it comes to creepy crawlies). So my question is this......was that a sensible line to draw? My thinking being, did that line allow Australia to keep control of the "good" parts of the land (ie arable, watered land) and gift the more inhospitable terrain to the Japanese?



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by Flavian
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That is interesting. I confess to not knowing enough about Australia (i think because, much as i love it, i will never go there as i am a pussy when it comes to creepy crawlies). So my question is this......was that a sensible line to draw? My thinking being, did that line allow Australia to keep control of the "good" parts of the land (ie arable, watered land) and gift the more inhospitable terrain to the Japanese?


Well, the East Coast was regarded as the important parts of Australia (as was indicated on the map), so in essence, it was an alright plan. Yes, the plan would have subjected the Japanese to the inhospitable parts to the west, but the North is not. I just don't like the fact that people were contemplating surrendering parts of Australia in a worst case scenario.
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posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 05:55 AM
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You don't get it do you? Britain's main responsibility was Britain, always has always will. You were not abandoned, just not higher up on the priority list as protecting the homeland. Would you rather we diverted military resources from the protection of Britain to protect Australia. These are just the harsh realities of the time.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 06:01 AM
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It was the same over here.......villages in certain areas were depopulated and then made to look long abandoned. Arms caches were then dumped in secret chambers / cellars in abandoned houses. The thinking being that once Germany made it onto mainland UK, the fight could continue as long as there were still people willing.

I have heard rumours that not all of these arms caches were recovered either - many being simply forgotten about!





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