Hi all, greetings from Finland. I found this forum looking for info on DIY Lipo-C. This thread has been so far very helpful and interesting.My little
kid has a brain cancer and a well known alternative doctor here in Finland recommended homemade liposomal C. So I’ve been learning a week now.
I just made a test with three batches that were prepared a bit differently. I want to share these experiences with you guys. Just made them last night
and today, so can’t say how they affect, but on the “scientifical” side there’s something
Since someone here thought that it would be
better to mix AA first in water and then add lecithin, I wanted to try that. Also there was talk about the temperature and that liposomes need at
least 110F to form, so tried that too.
For all batches I used same non-GMO soy lecithin granules and pure AA. Ultrasonic unit is a 70W, 2.5litre model with heating and max 480sec timer. I
have not been using distilled water, but cold tap water as it’s quite clean around here. I have not had any separating issues either with these
batches or earlier ones I’ve made.
Batch 1 (regular recipe but with heating)
Mixed 3 tbsp lecithin in 1 cup cold water. Stirred with a spoon, then let it soak a little while. Then mixed it with a stick blender for maybe 2
minutes, and after that another 10-20min soaking.
Mixed 1 tbsp AA in ½ cup cold water and stirred it with spoon until dissolved.
Mixed the solutions together and blended with stick blender about 2 minutes. This formed some foam.
Then poured the solution to the US unit. Temperature at start was 79F. I switched the heater on and heated until temp reached 110F. I ran the unit 32
minutes total, and after the first 10minutes the temperature had reached 110F and kept in 113-117F range rest of the time. I stirred frequently.
Note: the unit quite frequently “spit” surprisingly big lumps of solution out of it, when the lid had to be taken off for stirring. Messy. Also I
couldn’t get rid of all the foam in that 32min run.
The end result was darker coloured and much thicker than earlier batches with a smaller US unit without heating.
Batch 2 (lecithin added to water that already has AA dissolved in it + heating)
Mixed 1 tbsp AA in 1 ½ cups cold water, stirred until dissolved.
Added 3 tbsp lecithin, stirred with spoon, then with blender maybe 1-2 minutes. This foamed a bit, not as much as batch 1 at this point. Solution sat
in room temperature for about 2 hours (had to go out with the kid).
Then with the ultrasonic same procedure as with batch 1, heated until reached 110F and then stayed between 113-117F. Ended up with same colour as with
batch 1 and maybe just a little even more thick.
This one also kept “spitting big lumps” out.
Batch 3 (let the lecithin+water soak over night in fridge + no heating with US unit)
Mixed 3 tbsp lecithin in 1 cup cold water. Mixed it with a blender for maybe 2 minutes, and after let it soak in the fridge over night.
Mixed 1 tbsp AA in ½ cup cold water and stirred it with spoon until dissolved. Put it in the fridge for a while before proceeding.
Then the lecithin water out of the fridge, short blending with blender. Added AA+water mix in and another short blending.
In the ultrasonic unit again 32 minutes, without heating. Temperature at start was 61F and in the end 100F. Stirred frequently.
Result was looking like the stuff I had made with a smaller US unit before, much lighter than batches 1&2, and also more liquid, not gooey at all.
This time also I didn’t get rid of all foam in 32min, but there was less than with 1&2. This one didn’t shoot those big lumps but only splashed
small droplets around. Must be something to do with the temp.
Ok, now comes the foam test with sodiumbicarbonate as instructed by Brooks Bradley.
Batch 1 formed foam about 2 1/3 inches. Batch 2 formed about 2 2/3 inches. Batch 3 a little more than 1,5 inches.
What made this interesting for me was that the foam on batches 1 and 2 didn’t disappear at all. Below are the pictures right after the batch 3
foaming, then 2 minutes later and again 1 minute after that. Foam on batch 3 had lowered to less than ½ inch in 2 min and a min later even more.
So this takes me to the conclusion that heat is not good, and adding AA before lecithin is not good. Also with my unit, 32 minutes may not be enough.
Assuming the foam test works, there’s a question can it be done wrong? Can the size/shape of the container affect the result. It was shown that with
my glasses there can be nearly 3 inches foam formed, and even the best one made 1,5 inches. And does it make a difference if the foam disappears
quickly like with batch 3 or stays like with 1 and 2? Any “foam specialists” here who could help with these questions?
Sorry for long post.
edit on 7-2-2013 by arseni because: (no reason given)