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Originally posted by Coopdog
So my boss went to a supplement store and asked for liposomal C and they told her ester C is the same thing. I read somewhere in this thread I believe that said it is NOT the same thing but told her I would look into it. However I skimmed through many pages and can't locate that post.
So is ester C the same thing?edit on 30-1-2013 by Coopdog because: (no reason given)
"Ester-C is not an ester. My late friend was a former scientist involved in biochemical warfare with a high security clearance. He dissected the patent and had several meetings with Dr. Virlangieri, one of the researchers that touted its virtues.
My friend favored good old ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate.
He told me quite literally that ester-C was "two pounds of 'dung' in a one pound bag." He was an avid Pauling devote and was concerned that under certain conditions, ester-C was dangerous and contraindicated.
The prevailing propaganda changed from its being an ester to its providing threonine metabolites. He told me that Pauling would have laughed the ester-C boys back to chemistry class! " R. L.
Ester-C® is Calcium Ascorbate, a unique, exclusive form of vitamin C. It is made using a proprietary, water-based manufacturing process that results in a pH neutral product containing naturally occurring vitamin C metabolites.
Originally posted by sirric
Your concoction is too Vit C rich for full encapsulation hence your issues with the bathroom...
Sirricedit on 24/1/13 by sirric because: clarifiy statements
* Should I have put the lecithin mix in the fridge to cool it down after I blended it before adding the AA mix?
*I did not stir the mixture while it was in the UC. Should I have. I just kept turning it on until the bubbles were gone.
* My UC "warm" after about 35 minutes. I read some comments about heat having detrimental effects on Vit.C. Would the warmth of the UC be enough to cause harm to the VC?
* I've seen other comments discussing whether or not there was proper encapsulation. I searched the thread for a while and couldn't find the proper resoponse. How exactly can I tell if I have good encapsulation.
*I've seen other people add 1 ts of AA to 1/2 cup of water. Would that be a better way to go
I noticed I bought non-gmo lethicin granules instead of non-gmo soy lethicin granules. Will these lethicin granules work the same as soy lethicin granules? It will be no problem returning them to the online vendor and going to my local store to get soy.
EDIT- I don't understand this packaging. On the front of the lethicin, it says Non-gmo lethicin granules, under the ingredients it says non-GMO soy lethicin granules. The description on the back says lethicin is a naturally occuring compound found in plant and animal. IS IT SOY OR NOT, come on stupid packaging.
What I found curious is Dr. Donsbach says that the lectithin needs to be heated to 110 degrees to "open up the cells"., and then chilled to "close the cells". I've read that you want to keep the Vitamin C under 140 degrees, so this would appear to be a safe level of heat. So I wonder if there is any benefit to making the lectithin with warm water, then add the AA to it while warm and then chill it in the refrigerator before putting it into the ultrasonic cleaner?
The simplest method for preparing liposomes is hydration of dry lipid. The lipid is dissolved in organic solvent along with any lipid soluble compounds to be incorporated into the liposomes. The solvent is commonly removed by rotary evaporation resulting in a thin film of dry lipid. Some solvents can be removed by lyophilisation resulting in a dried lipid cake. An aqueous solution containing water soluble compound to be encapsulated is then added to the lipid film or cake to hydrate the lipid and form the liposomes. The aqueous suspension must be heated above the phase transition of the lipids in order for the liposomes to form. The resulting multilamellar liposomes consists of many concentric lipid bilayers. While all or most of the lipid soluble compounds will be incorporated into the bilayers of these lipsomes, the amount of water soluble compound entrapped is usually very low because these MLV’s (multilamellar vesicles) have a small captured volume. Very little aqueous solute penetrates the onion like layers of hydrated bilayer lipids. The captured volume of these MLV’s (multilamellar vesicles) can be increased by freezing and thawing the liposomes several times. Repeated freezing and thawing ruptures and reforms the MLV’s resulting in an increased number of liposomes with fewer layers of lipids and more aqueous space inside each liposome. Thus the freeze-thawed liposomes encapsulate more aqueous solute and often have a multi-vesicular morphology. The aqueous solute is now uniformly distributed inside each liposome.
High shear methods (such as sonication, homogenization and microfluidization) are used to reduce multilamellar liposomes to unilamellar liposomes at a lowest size limit.
dissolving vitamin C first
then heating the lethicin granules in the solution less that 140 F
then freezing, thawing and
THEN blending for several minutes then sonicating to reduce the size of the liposomes? What do you think? Maggie