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I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!
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Well I got my new US machine and still no luck. Upon examining the ingredients, I realized that the 5 lb container of C was Citric acid, and not
ascorbic acid. I assumed they were the same, but I am thinking not as I still got total separation.
Oh well...back to amazon.com lol
Oh well...back to amazon.com lol
reply to post by Coopdog
Coopdog - I'm so glad you figured it out! I had been racking my brain trying to think what was going wrong for you.
Vitamin C is Ascorbic Acid. Ugh. Sorry you had to spend the extra money.
Coopdog - I'm so glad you figured it out! I had been racking my brain trying to think what was going wrong for you.
Vitamin C is Ascorbic Acid. Ugh. Sorry you had to spend the extra money.
Me too! lol anyone need 5 lbs of citric acid? Free for the taking lol
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Well after ordering some new lecithin also, and finally getting some ascorbic acid, I tried the NOW brand lecithin I ordered. I immediately found it
to be MUCH clumpier and harder than the Swanson brand that I have been using. My first batch of Lipo C came out much yellower than usual, and it had
some separation within an hour of being in the fridge. I also noticed it was a sourer product than I had been getting before my original US machines
died.
I don't think there is anything wrong with my new US machine, I think the lecithin is of a poorer consistency than the Swanson stuff was. I am making another batch with the Swanson stuff tonight. Glad I only ordered two lbs of the NOW brand as I do not like it as much. We really need to work out the differences between different products and such so we can all agree on what works the best.
I have had my best batches ever with the Swanson lecithin. I will buy that from now on, luckily I still got a half a 3 lb bottle left in the fridge.
I don't think there is anything wrong with my new US machine, I think the lecithin is of a poorer consistency than the Swanson stuff was. I am making another batch with the Swanson stuff tonight. Glad I only ordered two lbs of the NOW brand as I do not like it as much. We really need to work out the differences between different products and such so we can all agree on what works the best.
I have had my best batches ever with the Swanson lecithin. I will buy that from now on, luckily I still got a half a 3 lb bottle left in the fridge.
reply to post by Coopdog
Coopdog - I soooo agree!
I did order the NOW brand vitamin c powder and although I didn't experience any significant difference, I am now back to using Swanson products. The quality seems good and I like the packaging better. The reason why the packaging the better is that the products come with a screw on lid, rather than a pop off/on lid. This is important for keeping air out which degrades the Vitamin C.
Coopdog - I soooo agree!
I did order the NOW brand vitamin c powder and although I didn't experience any significant difference, I am now back to using Swanson products. The quality seems good and I like the packaging better. The reason why the packaging the better is that the products come with a screw on lid, rather than a pop off/on lid. This is important for keeping air out which degrades the Vitamin C.
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I use citric acid to make cheese with. If you are serious, I would love to take it. I would cover postage.
I use citric acid to make cheese with. If you are serious, I would love to take it. I would cover postage.
I've been taking this since last summer. I don't ever want to stop taking this. It has changed my life. I'm 51 and have more energy and have not
been sick one day since taking it. I just wish I got a buzz from it like I did when I was doing the lemonade fast.
Amber, PM me an addy and it will come, and no need to cover postage. Thanks for taking it off my hands lol
Good day fellow Lipo-C Friends.
I now have another friend who has purchased the ingredients for making this life changing concoction.
I'm here with another update, it's been awhile since I posted one. This one is a long term report, as in over a long time that I've been taking L-C, since the beginning of this thread. For those who don't know me here. I'm a Woman, 62 years old.
No diagnosis of any serious disease. At my ideal weight, with the help of L-C at the beginning.
Over the past year, not one single cold, flu, illness going around my community, has in any way afflicted me. It's like it made me invisible to germs or whatever it was that made other people sick.
Another quirk of taking L-C has been something I could judge over a longer period of time, so now the report on it.
My hair I have always worn long, usually to the middle of my back, so I know how long it takes to grow over time. My hair growth has jumped into overtime mode this past year. What used to take 4 months to grow in length now takes about 2 months. I just cut off another 5 inches last week, as it was down to my butt, and I didn't know how that happened so darn fast! Plus, it's much much thicker too. As a side note, nails are in fast grow mode and nice and healthy, I find myself needing to file and trim them much more often.
So there you have it. Hair and nails report. Rapid steady healthy growth, in an older woman when usually these things slow down in growth, as one gets older.. Yippy!
Des
I now have another friend who has purchased the ingredients for making this life changing concoction.
I'm here with another update, it's been awhile since I posted one. This one is a long term report, as in over a long time that I've been taking L-C, since the beginning of this thread. For those who don't know me here. I'm a Woman, 62 years old.
No diagnosis of any serious disease. At my ideal weight, with the help of L-C at the beginning.
Over the past year, not one single cold, flu, illness going around my community, has in any way afflicted me. It's like it made me invisible to germs or whatever it was that made other people sick.
Another quirk of taking L-C has been something I could judge over a longer period of time, so now the report on it.
My hair I have always worn long, usually to the middle of my back, so I know how long it takes to grow over time. My hair growth has jumped into overtime mode this past year. What used to take 4 months to grow in length now takes about 2 months. I just cut off another 5 inches last week, as it was down to my butt, and I didn't know how that happened so darn fast! Plus, it's much much thicker too. As a side note, nails are in fast grow mode and nice and healthy, I find myself needing to file and trim them much more often.
So there you have it. Hair and nails report. Rapid steady healthy growth, in an older woman when usually these things slow down in growth, as one gets older.. Yippy!
Des
edit on 19-6-2013 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)
I wrote a post for another forum I'm in to detail the process I used and the results, now that I seem to have got it down to working consistently.
It has really had quite an effect on me although after reading a lot (to try and figure out why I had the symptoms I had once I began -- not bad so much as rather clearly 'recovery'-oriented) I've realized that much of this is probably due to the lecithin involved, more than the ascorbic acid. Great stuff. I'm trying to make enough to get up to ingesting a batch a day in 5 doses. It's had a significant effect on the 'motive power' my body has available to it. Which since at the moment I am eating really little protein and that is normally the main factor affecting my body's feeling of innate power, is impressive.
Pretty sure this forum won't allow the length of all the detail in my post so it might take a few, even though I made it pretty concise, it is very detailed. Here we go.
***
Liposomal Vitamin C
Introductory Notes:
I do this based on gram-weights. Mine are even weights, which are very slightly different than the US measurements of Tbsp and Cup. You could just use the US measures and be fine though. I do it this way because it makes it easier to weigh my serving and calculate its content.
Consumable ingredients:
1. Distilled water. The single-batch requires 1.5 cups total. (I used 250g and 125g.)
2. Lecithin. The single-batch requires 3 Tbsp. (I used 45g.)
3. Ascorbic Acid. The single-batch requires 1 Tbsp. (I used 15g.)
I used ordinary distilled sold in plastic jugs in the supermarket.
I used liquid non-gmo non-chem-processed sunflower lecithin. Overpriced.
www.mysunflowerlecithin.com... shipping $10 on 16oz.
I used pure non-gmo ascorbic acid.
This: www.amazon.com...
Tools:
1. I used a thermometer although this is not totally required. You just need to see when something is ~99 degrees.
2. An ultrasonic machine. Due to its nature, you'll want to fill this at least mostly to the max line (well over half full), so plan the formula fluid+contents accordingly (or make more than you need and some can wait until later. You don't want to only partly-fill these machines, it changes the standing wave form).
I got this one: www.amazon.com... because
(a) it had an 8-minute cycle (all but one other had only max 3 minutes) and
(b) it had a 2-cup bowl (larger than the others unless you go up a major price point).
3. A large bowl or measuring bowl with spout. You'll want to dump the formula from the machine without spilling and the machines don't have spouts and their containers don't come out. So something big enough to have the whole thing splash into it is good.
4a. A small cup with spout. You'll want to pour some of it in this from the big one, and then use this to pour into bottles or jars.
4b. Alternatively, a funnel that will fit into your bottle or jar.
5. A blender. This can be a bar blender or a hi-speed (magic bullet) type, but using this formula you'll need to have at least a 2.5 cup capacity cup.
6. A stirrer. I used a glass stir stick from my science stuff but you can use anything that is not metal. Plastic straw or wooden chopstick would do.
7. Initial pot or glass/cup to heat some water in.
8. I used a butter knife for something to stop the flow of lecithin I was measuring the weight of by just pouring from the jar.
9. Keep a hand-towel or paper towels nearby.
10. I used a clean cloth to pull out the tiny bits of remaining foam when I was done. (I used unbleached coffee filters the last time.) This is not needed but I had wanted to measure the foam-response to baking soda which meant I needed to start with zero foam. There is barely any left so it is not a big deal.
11. I used a gram scale to measure the water and I used a microgram scale to measure the AA. This is not necessary. You could probably just use simple Tablespoon and Cup measures and be fine.
12. If you've never used your machine before, run a couple cycles first with some edible-sort of cleanser. I did it with water and contents of a d-limonene capsule. Some report a bit of a metallic taste if you don't do this first.
13. So far this always takes me far more time than it seems like it should so make sure you have plenty before your first effort.
Notes:
Your water is in a 2:1 ratio: Lecithin:AA.
Your contents are in a 3:1 ratio: Lecithin:AA.
You can scale based on this.
Ascorbic Acid is inactivated at 115F.
The Liposomic nature of lecithin "opens up" at 90F+ (required so it can later close and encapsulate its surroundings).
AA is affected by light so minimize light exposure to what you're doing (and contents of your source AA container).
continued in next post
It has really had quite an effect on me although after reading a lot (to try and figure out why I had the symptoms I had once I began -- not bad so much as rather clearly 'recovery'-oriented) I've realized that much of this is probably due to the lecithin involved, more than the ascorbic acid. Great stuff. I'm trying to make enough to get up to ingesting a batch a day in 5 doses. It's had a significant effect on the 'motive power' my body has available to it. Which since at the moment I am eating really little protein and that is normally the main factor affecting my body's feeling of innate power, is impressive.
Pretty sure this forum won't allow the length of all the detail in my post so it might take a few, even though I made it pretty concise, it is very detailed. Here we go.
***
Liposomal Vitamin C
Introductory Notes:
I do this based on gram-weights. Mine are even weights, which are very slightly different than the US measurements of Tbsp and Cup. You could just use the US measures and be fine though. I do it this way because it makes it easier to weigh my serving and calculate its content.
Consumable ingredients:
1. Distilled water. The single-batch requires 1.5 cups total. (I used 250g and 125g.)
2. Lecithin. The single-batch requires 3 Tbsp. (I used 45g.)
3. Ascorbic Acid. The single-batch requires 1 Tbsp. (I used 15g.)
I used ordinary distilled sold in plastic jugs in the supermarket.
I used liquid non-gmo non-chem-processed sunflower lecithin. Overpriced.
www.mysunflowerlecithin.com... shipping $10 on 16oz.
I used pure non-gmo ascorbic acid.
This: www.amazon.com...
Tools:
1. I used a thermometer although this is not totally required. You just need to see when something is ~99 degrees.
2. An ultrasonic machine. Due to its nature, you'll want to fill this at least mostly to the max line (well over half full), so plan the formula fluid+contents accordingly (or make more than you need and some can wait until later. You don't want to only partly-fill these machines, it changes the standing wave form).
I got this one: www.amazon.com... because
(a) it had an 8-minute cycle (all but one other had only max 3 minutes) and
(b) it had a 2-cup bowl (larger than the others unless you go up a major price point).
3. A large bowl or measuring bowl with spout. You'll want to dump the formula from the machine without spilling and the machines don't have spouts and their containers don't come out. So something big enough to have the whole thing splash into it is good.
4a. A small cup with spout. You'll want to pour some of it in this from the big one, and then use this to pour into bottles or jars.
4b. Alternatively, a funnel that will fit into your bottle or jar.
5. A blender. This can be a bar blender or a hi-speed (magic bullet) type, but using this formula you'll need to have at least a 2.5 cup capacity cup.
6. A stirrer. I used a glass stir stick from my science stuff but you can use anything that is not metal. Plastic straw or wooden chopstick would do.
7. Initial pot or glass/cup to heat some water in.
8. I used a butter knife for something to stop the flow of lecithin I was measuring the weight of by just pouring from the jar.
9. Keep a hand-towel or paper towels nearby.
10. I used a clean cloth to pull out the tiny bits of remaining foam when I was done. (I used unbleached coffee filters the last time.) This is not needed but I had wanted to measure the foam-response to baking soda which meant I needed to start with zero foam. There is barely any left so it is not a big deal.
11. I used a gram scale to measure the water and I used a microgram scale to measure the AA. This is not necessary. You could probably just use simple Tablespoon and Cup measures and be fine.
12. If you've never used your machine before, run a couple cycles first with some edible-sort of cleanser. I did it with water and contents of a d-limonene capsule. Some report a bit of a metallic taste if you don't do this first.
13. So far this always takes me far more time than it seems like it should so make sure you have plenty before your first effort.
Notes:
Your water is in a 2:1 ratio: Lecithin:AA.
Your contents are in a 3:1 ratio: Lecithin:AA.
You can scale based on this.
Ascorbic Acid is inactivated at 115F.
The Liposomic nature of lecithin "opens up" at 90F+ (required so it can later close and encapsulate its surroundings).
AA is affected by light so minimize light exposure to what you're doing (and contents of your source AA container).
continued in next post
edit on 24-6-2013 by RedCairo because: (no reason given)
(continued)
Steps I took.
This is for the single batch.
You can do a lot at once (I did) although you'll have to do the ultrasonic one batch at a time.
Prep AA
1. Measure 125g (that's about 1/2 Tbsp less than 1 cup) distilled water into blender or blender cup.
2. Measure 15g (that's about 1 Tbsp) into same blender or blender cup.
3. Blend. I did five (5) cycles of 20 seconds blending, 20 seconds resting.
4. Cover. Refrigerate.
Prep Lecithin
1. Measure 250g (that's about 1 Tbsp less than 1 cup) distilled water into heatable container.
2. Heat the water to at least 100 degrees but nowhere near boiling.
. . . I nuked 1 cup of water in a 2 cup pyrex measuring cup for 1 minute and it was 125 degrees.
3. Pour hot water into a blender or blender cup.
4. Measure out 45g (that's barely over 3 Tbsp) of lecithin, like so:
4a. If you have powdered Lecithin, pour it into the water, blend a bit and let sit 30 minutes or so, then blend a little more.
4b. If you have liquid Lecithin, put your blender cup on a scale and tare, and then slowly pour it in and cut off the flow when complete. Blend until it seems well blended.
For either type of Lecithin, then wait until your Lecithin+water is barely less than 100 degrees, ideally 95-99 or so.
Combine AA and Lecithin
1. Combine the AA and Lecithin.
. . . Then move fast because the cold AA hitting the warm Lec causes the liposomes to form and close as the lecithin's temp drops.
2. Blend immediately. I did this in the large bullet cup and blended in two cycles of 20-seconds-on, 20-seconds-off.
3. Pour into ultrasonic machine and begin.
Sonicate it
* The instructions I found say to gently stir with lid open for 8-15 minutes or 'until foam is gone.' I don't feel like standing there stirring and the noise of the machine bugs me (I hear/feel high frequencies many don't) so I want to get away. My way appears to work fine, however...
My way:
1. Keeping lid closed, I set the timer for 8 minutes (not all will go this long). Set my alarm for 8+15 minutes rest=23 minutes. Walk away.
2. So 23 minutes later I return, open lid, stir it like crazy, set timer for another 8 minutes, alarm for 23 minutes, walk away.
3. I do four cycles of this so a total of 32 minutes sonicating and 45 minutes of resting between.
* If your sonicator only has 3 minute cycles, pull up a chair and get comfortable I guess.
* If your sonicator has heat, do NOT use it. The purpose of resting between cycles is to let it cool somewhat.
Store it
1. Optional: I take off any remaining minimal foam that may exist. It shouldn't be much and it doesn't hurt anything to have it.
2. I pour the whole machine of stuff into a big bowl with a spout (big pyrex measuring bowl).
3. I pour 8oz of this into a tiny pyrex measuring cup with spout.
4. I hold the little 12oz brown bottles I use for this over the bowl, and pour from the small cup spout into them.
5. Put on lid and refrigerate the bottles when done. Allegedly keeps for 1+ week in fridge.
Troubleshooting
* Most people say they have to sonicate for about ~30 minutes to get rid of most the foam. This may depend on your machine and your enthusiasm for stirring during the process.
* If it seems like you have a lot of foam, stir a little, sometimes it's just a tiny bit on the top and looks thicker than it is.
* Some people who had issues with 'separation' (lack of encapsulation) when it sat in the fridge overnight found that cooling the formula in the fridge before sonicating, and in the middle of sonicating (dump it out and cool, pour it back in and continue), seemed to help.
* Powdered lecithin really needs to be well soaked-blended and some say they find that letting it sit in its water in the fridge overnight is better.
* Do not use buffered forms of C. The buffer mineral will not dissolve in the water so it will not encapsulate in the lecithin so your formula will separate.
Testing
* Remove all vestiges of any remaining foam.
* Put 8oz of your resulting formula into a 12oz see-through jar. (I used this.)
* Mix 1oz of distilled water with 1/4 tsp of baking soda and mix well.
* Dump the BSH2O into the formula and stir a few times and wait half a minute.
* Measure the depth of foam. Note: the edges may rise but often the depth on it overall is much lower, so look at that difference.
continued in next post
Steps I took.
This is for the single batch.
You can do a lot at once (I did) although you'll have to do the ultrasonic one batch at a time.
Prep AA
1. Measure 125g (that's about 1/2 Tbsp less than 1 cup) distilled water into blender or blender cup.
2. Measure 15g (that's about 1 Tbsp) into same blender or blender cup.
3. Blend. I did five (5) cycles of 20 seconds blending, 20 seconds resting.
4. Cover. Refrigerate.
Prep Lecithin
1. Measure 250g (that's about 1 Tbsp less than 1 cup) distilled water into heatable container.
2. Heat the water to at least 100 degrees but nowhere near boiling.
. . . I nuked 1 cup of water in a 2 cup pyrex measuring cup for 1 minute and it was 125 degrees.
3. Pour hot water into a blender or blender cup.
4. Measure out 45g (that's barely over 3 Tbsp) of lecithin, like so:
4a. If you have powdered Lecithin, pour it into the water, blend a bit and let sit 30 minutes or so, then blend a little more.
4b. If you have liquid Lecithin, put your blender cup on a scale and tare, and then slowly pour it in and cut off the flow when complete. Blend until it seems well blended.
For either type of Lecithin, then wait until your Lecithin+water is barely less than 100 degrees, ideally 95-99 or so.
Combine AA and Lecithin
1. Combine the AA and Lecithin.
. . . Then move fast because the cold AA hitting the warm Lec causes the liposomes to form and close as the lecithin's temp drops.
2. Blend immediately. I did this in the large bullet cup and blended in two cycles of 20-seconds-on, 20-seconds-off.
3. Pour into ultrasonic machine and begin.
Sonicate it
* The instructions I found say to gently stir with lid open for 8-15 minutes or 'until foam is gone.' I don't feel like standing there stirring and the noise of the machine bugs me (I hear/feel high frequencies many don't) so I want to get away. My way appears to work fine, however...
My way:
1. Keeping lid closed, I set the timer for 8 minutes (not all will go this long). Set my alarm for 8+15 minutes rest=23 minutes. Walk away.
2. So 23 minutes later I return, open lid, stir it like crazy, set timer for another 8 minutes, alarm for 23 minutes, walk away.
3. I do four cycles of this so a total of 32 minutes sonicating and 45 minutes of resting between.
* If your sonicator only has 3 minute cycles, pull up a chair and get comfortable I guess.
* If your sonicator has heat, do NOT use it. The purpose of resting between cycles is to let it cool somewhat.
Store it
1. Optional: I take off any remaining minimal foam that may exist. It shouldn't be much and it doesn't hurt anything to have it.
2. I pour the whole machine of stuff into a big bowl with a spout (big pyrex measuring bowl).
3. I pour 8oz of this into a tiny pyrex measuring cup with spout.
4. I hold the little 12oz brown bottles I use for this over the bowl, and pour from the small cup spout into them.
5. Put on lid and refrigerate the bottles when done. Allegedly keeps for 1+ week in fridge.
Troubleshooting
* Most people say they have to sonicate for about ~30 minutes to get rid of most the foam. This may depend on your machine and your enthusiasm for stirring during the process.
* If it seems like you have a lot of foam, stir a little, sometimes it's just a tiny bit on the top and looks thicker than it is.
* Some people who had issues with 'separation' (lack of encapsulation) when it sat in the fridge overnight found that cooling the formula in the fridge before sonicating, and in the middle of sonicating (dump it out and cool, pour it back in and continue), seemed to help.
* Powdered lecithin really needs to be well soaked-blended and some say they find that letting it sit in its water in the fridge overnight is better.
* Do not use buffered forms of C. The buffer mineral will not dissolve in the water so it will not encapsulate in the lecithin so your formula will separate.
Testing
* Remove all vestiges of any remaining foam.
* Put 8oz of your resulting formula into a 12oz see-through jar. (I used this.)
* Mix 1oz of distilled water with 1/4 tsp of baking soda and mix well.
* Dump the BSH2O into the formula and stir a few times and wait half a minute.
* Measure the depth of foam. Note: the edges may rise but often the depth on it overall is much lower, so look at that difference.
continued in next post
edit on 24-6-2013 by RedCairo because: (no reason given)
(continued)
If foam reaction from this mixture is .5" or less you have ~50% encapsulation rate. If 3/8" or less you have ~60% encapsulation. If 1/8" thick or less, you have ~75% encapsulation. Foam occurs when the unencapsulated Vit C reacts with the sodium bicarbonate which is added to produce sodium ascorbate. The liposome encapsulated Vit C will not react. Thus, the less foam, the more Vit C is encapsulated. Return your test material to your bottle for the fridge -- the sodium ascorbate is actually easier on digestion and some may choose to treat their whole formula to this to 'buffer' the non-encapsulated C.
Statistics
-- -- I used 1/2 cup of H20 w/1 Tbsp AA
125 grams fluid
15 grams AA
-- -- And 1 cup of H20 w/3 Tbsp Lecithin
250 grams fluid
45 grams lecithin
-- -- It made more than the fluid, with the other elements
Let's say it made 435 gram weight. (Not sure about that.)
-- -- My baking Soda test showed about 75% encapsulation.
11.25 grams Encapsulated AA in batch
3.75 grams Non-encapsulated AA in batch
45 grams Lecithin in batch
For me:
87 grams ideal serving size (to simplify batch)
5 Servings per batch
2.25 grams Encapsulated AA per serving
9.00 grams Lecithin per serving
0.75 grams Non-encapsulated AA in serving
Cost breakdown
1000 grams Total AA purchased (1000g 2.2# 1kg)
454 grams Total Lecithin purchased (16oz 32Tbsp 454g)
$38.95 cost for 2.2# (1 kg) non-gmo AA includes shipping
$30.49 cost for 16oz sunflower liquid lecithin includes shipping
15 grams Quantity used in single (1.5c) batch of AA
45 grams Quantity used in single (1.5c) batch of Lecithin
$69.44 Total cost per initial supplies (not including machine & water)
66.6667 batches Batches per purchase AA
10.0889 batches Batches per purchase Lecithin
$3.0221 Lecithin cost per batch
$0.5843 AA cost per batch
$3.6064 Total cost per batch
11.2500 grams 75% lipospheric C in a batch, ignoring the rest…
$0.3206 $/lipo-gram Total cost per serving gram of LIPO (ignoring the rest)
2.67 Batches required for 30g Lipo net result
$9.6170 Total cost for 30g Lipo
$29.95 Cost per box of Lipo-C (Livon) or bottle of it (also 30g) not counting shipping
30 grams Product in box/bottle
$0.9983 Cost per gram of Lipo-C retail
$0.6778 Cost difference between Lipo-C and Home-LipoC per gram
$20.33 Cost difference between 30g (one box/bottle vs. 2.67 batches)
67.89% savings
more savings if you count that regular AA and Lecithin are added to the home batch which we're not counting
less savings if you bill the time it takes to make the stuff and the distilled water + ultrasonic machine expenses
Warnings
Liquid lecithin is like blackstrap molasses but stickier. 'Measuring' it is impossible without mess and not exact at all as a result. Pouring from bottle and measuring the weight is the way I found to do it that is clean and elegant.
Never set anything like a jar inside your US machine. Any weight on the bottom or sides of the machine will likely mess up the way it functions (likely permanently), this is what many say anyway.
Don't touch the fluid with your hands while machine is running. One test for these machines is to put a piece of foil in there. When you take it out, it has little holes in a pattern. (The pattern is why you 'stir' -- to get the effect better distributed to the fluid.) It can hurt.
Final Notes
Is the machine necessary? Some believe that merely managing temperature and blender you can still do lipospheric encapsulation. Nature arranges this if you control the temps in the way described, so you probably can. However, it is the ultrasonic waves that basically break up and reform the lipospheres down into a very tiny size. I suspect that without the machine, one has 'some' encapsulation, and 'some' emulsifying (homogenization) and I suppose if you buffered the rest with baking soda to tame the severity of the remaining AA it would probably still be a good blend. Not the same, but possibly worth it compared to ordinary C.
Absorption of Vitamin C.
* Oral C is said to be absorbed at ~ 16%. It vents dominantly through the bowels, going through both liver and kidneys.
* Venous C is said to be absorbed at ~ 30%. It vents dominantly through the kidneys.
* Lipospheric C is said to be absorbed at up to 90%, but I'm not sure if this is just based on the encapsulation method. Using the liquid form of lecithin, the gram measures and the blending/sonicating cycles described, my batch came out on the baking-soda-foam-test to ~75%.
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There you go. Hope it works for someone else too!
If foam reaction from this mixture is .5" or less you have ~50% encapsulation rate. If 3/8" or less you have ~60% encapsulation. If 1/8" thick or less, you have ~75% encapsulation. Foam occurs when the unencapsulated Vit C reacts with the sodium bicarbonate which is added to produce sodium ascorbate. The liposome encapsulated Vit C will not react. Thus, the less foam, the more Vit C is encapsulated. Return your test material to your bottle for the fridge -- the sodium ascorbate is actually easier on digestion and some may choose to treat their whole formula to this to 'buffer' the non-encapsulated C.
Statistics
-- -- I used 1/2 cup of H20 w/1 Tbsp AA
125 grams fluid
15 grams AA
-- -- And 1 cup of H20 w/3 Tbsp Lecithin
250 grams fluid
45 grams lecithin
-- -- It made more than the fluid, with the other elements
Let's say it made 435 gram weight. (Not sure about that.)
-- -- My baking Soda test showed about 75% encapsulation.
11.25 grams Encapsulated AA in batch
3.75 grams Non-encapsulated AA in batch
45 grams Lecithin in batch
For me:
87 grams ideal serving size (to simplify batch)
5 Servings per batch
2.25 grams Encapsulated AA per serving
9.00 grams Lecithin per serving
0.75 grams Non-encapsulated AA in serving
Cost breakdown
1000 grams Total AA purchased (1000g 2.2# 1kg)
454 grams Total Lecithin purchased (16oz 32Tbsp 454g)
$38.95 cost for 2.2# (1 kg) non-gmo AA includes shipping
$30.49 cost for 16oz sunflower liquid lecithin includes shipping
15 grams Quantity used in single (1.5c) batch of AA
45 grams Quantity used in single (1.5c) batch of Lecithin
$69.44 Total cost per initial supplies (not including machine & water)
66.6667 batches Batches per purchase AA
10.0889 batches Batches per purchase Lecithin
$3.0221 Lecithin cost per batch
$0.5843 AA cost per batch
$3.6064 Total cost per batch
11.2500 grams 75% lipospheric C in a batch, ignoring the rest…
$0.3206 $/lipo-gram Total cost per serving gram of LIPO (ignoring the rest)
2.67 Batches required for 30g Lipo net result
$9.6170 Total cost for 30g Lipo
$29.95 Cost per box of Lipo-C (Livon) or bottle of it (also 30g) not counting shipping
30 grams Product in box/bottle
$0.9983 Cost per gram of Lipo-C retail
$0.6778 Cost difference between Lipo-C and Home-LipoC per gram
$20.33 Cost difference between 30g (one box/bottle vs. 2.67 batches)
67.89% savings
more savings if you count that regular AA and Lecithin are added to the home batch which we're not counting
less savings if you bill the time it takes to make the stuff and the distilled water + ultrasonic machine expenses
Warnings
Liquid lecithin is like blackstrap molasses but stickier. 'Measuring' it is impossible without mess and not exact at all as a result. Pouring from bottle and measuring the weight is the way I found to do it that is clean and elegant.
Never set anything like a jar inside your US machine. Any weight on the bottom or sides of the machine will likely mess up the way it functions (likely permanently), this is what many say anyway.
Don't touch the fluid with your hands while machine is running. One test for these machines is to put a piece of foil in there. When you take it out, it has little holes in a pattern. (The pattern is why you 'stir' -- to get the effect better distributed to the fluid.) It can hurt.
Final Notes
Is the machine necessary? Some believe that merely managing temperature and blender you can still do lipospheric encapsulation. Nature arranges this if you control the temps in the way described, so you probably can. However, it is the ultrasonic waves that basically break up and reform the lipospheres down into a very tiny size. I suspect that without the machine, one has 'some' encapsulation, and 'some' emulsifying (homogenization) and I suppose if you buffered the rest with baking soda to tame the severity of the remaining AA it would probably still be a good blend. Not the same, but possibly worth it compared to ordinary C.
Absorption of Vitamin C.
* Oral C is said to be absorbed at ~ 16%. It vents dominantly through the bowels, going through both liver and kidneys.
* Venous C is said to be absorbed at ~ 30%. It vents dominantly through the kidneys.
* Lipospheric C is said to be absorbed at up to 90%, but I'm not sure if this is just based on the encapsulation method. Using the liquid form of lecithin, the gram measures and the blending/sonicating cycles described, my batch came out on the baking-soda-foam-test to ~75%.
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There you go. Hope it works for someone else too!
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Thanks RedCairo for your detailed post on your methods.
Just a couple of questions....
You say that you feel alot of the results you have are from the Lecithin... could you expand on that.
You also say you've had good results, mostly on motivation... what other results are you seeing?
How long and how much Lipo-C have/are you taking?
Thanks RedCairo for your detailed post on your methods.
Just a couple of questions....
You say that you feel alot of the results you have are from the Lecithin... could you expand on that.
You also say you've had good results, mostly on motivation... what other results are you seeing?
How long and how much Lipo-C have/are you taking?
Originally posted by Julie Washington
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You say that you feel alot of the results you have are from the Lecithin... could you expand on that.
I have some underlying health issues that aren't clear but mainly relate to fatigue. When I began taking it, I had three things immediately begin happening that I found odd and unrelated to C as far as I knew of it:
1 - I had this profound sort of weariness hit specific to my spine, the whole thing, with an emphasis near the brainstem and very bottom. It felt less like a bad thing and more like maybe some kind of "something is being redone in that area" kind of under construction feeling. It was very clearly "nervous system" related, I mean I could feel that. It was incredible by the night of the first day. It was a little bit 'lighter' each day. This is day 6 and it's pretty well gone now. I could feel it was spine-wide, but it also vaguely reminded me, just a little, of once when I overtrained on deadlifts (those affect the spine).
By the way all of this made me realize that I seriously lack words and phrases in english to describe many of the feelings I've had.
2 - I had significantly more "motive power" in my body muscles, particularly the largest muscles in pelvis to knees area. Usually this only occurs if I can stuff more than 100g/day protein down my throat which is rare, but greatly helps with 'strength.' Currently for other reasons I'm eating only like 20g/day (all in eggs) which is crazy low, especially as my body is oversized (even in lean mass). So for me to feel that sort of 'body competence' is rare anyway, but to do it with my current eating is amazing. As a result of this, despite #1, I got more 'voluntary movement' in any day than I usually do in several combined. I'm actually slightly sore muscle-wise all over just from the increase in motion.
3 - I am utterly at the wall of must-sleep around 10-11pm when normally I only sleep a few hours a night and not until much later. Also I usually can't sleep more than a few hours at a time without waking up and being wide awake (being a nearly 48 year old woman is probably part of this). But I've been fighting to stay awake past 10 and sleeping like a rock for 6 to 8 hours, which is totally novel for me.
There was one other symptom that I actually did attribute to the C which was:
4 - An amazing improvement in general sense of contentedness, calm stability of mood, and patience. The first day, I got through six hours of something I normally am going crazy about in an hour. And I was fine with it. It seems to have really done something for my mood. (Note that lecithin has such effects also though.)
You also say you've had good results, mostly on motivation... what other results are you seeing?
I have not been taking it long enough (just a week) to have any further feedback. We'll see.
How long and how much Lipo-C have/are you taking?
I started with the following, the combination of 3 daily doses:
3.375g lipo-C | 13.5g lecithin | 1.125 non-encaps AA
I am currently (day 6) with the following, the combination of 5 daily doses:
11.25g lipo-C | 45g lecithin | 3.75 non-encaps AA *
* I am getting occasional mild-flush bowel symptoms now, but am ignoring in favor of the lipo
I have felt a little better each day, and I feel better today than I have in possibly years.
It's just that normally I have no energy (likely thyroid and adrenal-exhaustion related but untreated), and it takes a lot of mental (internal cheerleader) energy to sort of 'feed' the body, which runs out almost instantly. It feels as if my body is starting to recover itself in some fashion, and now when I need to go somewhere and run up the steps and so on, the lower body can do it, without draining my entire larger self of energy to make it happen. I wake up feeling genuinely good in the morning. It's just changed my whole state of mind and sense of self, in a way.
I wrote a post (for another forum) on factoids (note: no research references in it) about lecithin, which I went reading up on trying to figure out why the spine-nervous-system effects were so obviously and instantly in play with me. I could post it here if you like. I suppose it is just as much a part of Lipo-C as the AA.
PJ
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Here is the post on lecithin I mentioned.
Warning: I did not collect research references on each of these points. So, take the following with a grain of salt and do your own research of course.
*
LECITHIN: What it is
Lecithin was originally isolated in 1850 by Dr. Gobley from egg yolk. Named after the greek word Lekithos for that. In the late 1800s it was also spelled "lecithine" in English, a spelling that is still used in German to refer to the pure or chemical lecithin. One large egg can contain up to 2,000 mg of lecithin.
Lecithin is a necessary component of every cell in the human (and animal and vegetable) body, and is concentrated especially in the vital organs such as heart liver brain kidneys, and in cell membranes and nerve sheaths.
It has many critical functions in many parts of the body. Lecithin is comprised of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids, choline and phosphorus. Components are the B vitamin choline, but also linoleic acid and inositol. Chemically, lecithin is phosphatidylcholine. Choline comprises about 15% of the weight of phosphatidylcholine.
The fatty acid makeups of phosphatidylcholine from plant and animal sources are different. Both sources are considered safe. In addition to animal vital organs, eggs and soybeans, lecithin can also be found in smaller measure in cabbage, cauliflower, garbanzo beans, split peas, organic meat, seeds and nuts.
Sunflower Lecithin Non-GMO Liquid cold-pressed is obtained by pressure extraction of sunflower seeds to produce raw oil. No solvents are used in the extraction process. The raw oil is then degummed with addition of water and centrifuged to produce liquid sunflower lecithin.
Commercially, "Lecithin" often refers to a natural mixture of neutral and polar lipids. It is heavily used in the food manufacturing industry. Commercial soy lecithin also typically contains roughly 30-35% unrefined soy oil. Phosphatidylcholine, which is a polar lipid, is present in commercial lecithin in concentrations of 20% to 90%. Most of the commercial lecithin products contain about 20% phosphatidylcholine. What is commercially called lecithin can be two-thirds other phospholipids.
European research has tended to use products concentrated to contain 90% phosphatidylcholine in lecithin, and their dosages are based on that type of product. For psychological and neurological conditions, doses as high as 5 to 10 g taken three times daily have been used in studies. For liver disease, a typical dose is 350 to 500 mg taken three times daily; for high cholesterol, 500 to 900 mg taken three times daily has been tried.
Lecithin dietary supplements come in three forms: Liquid (thick, syrupy), capsules and granules. All three contain the specific "phosphatidyl choline," but the granules contain the highest concentration of it. For the small-scale commercial lecithin, generally 1 tablespoon of liquid lecithin is equivalent to 1.5 tablespoons of granular lecithin.
(How the equivalency ref relates to the powder-is-stronger ref I can't say, they seem contradictory to me. - pjg)
Phosphatidylcholine is absorbed into the mucosal cells of the small intestine, mainly in the duodenum and upper jejunum, following some digestion by the pancreatic enzyme phospholipase. This forms Phosphatidylcholine which is transported in the blood in various lipoprotein particles. It is then distributed to the various tissues of the body.
Lecithin is a multi-functional surface-active agent. Each molecule has, like Janus, two faces. The fatty-acid portion of the molecule is attracted to fats (it is lipotrophic) and the phosphoric acid portion is attracted to water (it is hydrotrophic). Because of this dual nature, lecithin molecules tend to position themselves at the boundary between immiscible materials, such as oil and water. There they serve many useful functions through a surface modifying effect. In aqueous solution, lecithin's phospholipids can form either liposomes, bilayer sheets, micelles, or lamellar structures, depending on hydration and temperature.
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Here is the post on lecithin I mentioned.
Warning: I did not collect research references on each of these points. So, take the following with a grain of salt and do your own research of course.
*
LECITHIN: What it is
Lecithin was originally isolated in 1850 by Dr. Gobley from egg yolk. Named after the greek word Lekithos for that. In the late 1800s it was also spelled "lecithine" in English, a spelling that is still used in German to refer to the pure or chemical lecithin. One large egg can contain up to 2,000 mg of lecithin.
Lecithin is a necessary component of every cell in the human (and animal and vegetable) body, and is concentrated especially in the vital organs such as heart liver brain kidneys, and in cell membranes and nerve sheaths.
It has many critical functions in many parts of the body. Lecithin is comprised of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids, choline and phosphorus. Components are the B vitamin choline, but also linoleic acid and inositol. Chemically, lecithin is phosphatidylcholine. Choline comprises about 15% of the weight of phosphatidylcholine.
The fatty acid makeups of phosphatidylcholine from plant and animal sources are different. Both sources are considered safe. In addition to animal vital organs, eggs and soybeans, lecithin can also be found in smaller measure in cabbage, cauliflower, garbanzo beans, split peas, organic meat, seeds and nuts.
Sunflower Lecithin Non-GMO Liquid cold-pressed is obtained by pressure extraction of sunflower seeds to produce raw oil. No solvents are used in the extraction process. The raw oil is then degummed with addition of water and centrifuged to produce liquid sunflower lecithin.
Commercially, "Lecithin" often refers to a natural mixture of neutral and polar lipids. It is heavily used in the food manufacturing industry. Commercial soy lecithin also typically contains roughly 30-35% unrefined soy oil. Phosphatidylcholine, which is a polar lipid, is present in commercial lecithin in concentrations of 20% to 90%. Most of the commercial lecithin products contain about 20% phosphatidylcholine. What is commercially called lecithin can be two-thirds other phospholipids.
European research has tended to use products concentrated to contain 90% phosphatidylcholine in lecithin, and their dosages are based on that type of product. For psychological and neurological conditions, doses as high as 5 to 10 g taken three times daily have been used in studies. For liver disease, a typical dose is 350 to 500 mg taken three times daily; for high cholesterol, 500 to 900 mg taken three times daily has been tried.
Lecithin dietary supplements come in three forms: Liquid (thick, syrupy), capsules and granules. All three contain the specific "phosphatidyl choline," but the granules contain the highest concentration of it. For the small-scale commercial lecithin, generally 1 tablespoon of liquid lecithin is equivalent to 1.5 tablespoons of granular lecithin.
(How the equivalency ref relates to the powder-is-stronger ref I can't say, they seem contradictory to me. - pjg)
Phosphatidylcholine is absorbed into the mucosal cells of the small intestine, mainly in the duodenum and upper jejunum, following some digestion by the pancreatic enzyme phospholipase. This forms Phosphatidylcholine which is transported in the blood in various lipoprotein particles. It is then distributed to the various tissues of the body.
Lecithin is a multi-functional surface-active agent. Each molecule has, like Janus, two faces. The fatty-acid portion of the molecule is attracted to fats (it is lipotrophic) and the phosphoric acid portion is attracted to water (it is hydrotrophic). Because of this dual nature, lecithin molecules tend to position themselves at the boundary between immiscible materials, such as oil and water. There they serve many useful functions through a surface modifying effect. In aqueous solution, lecithin's phospholipids can form either liposomes, bilayer sheets, micelles, or lamellar structures, depending on hydration and temperature.
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THE BRAIN AND MEMORY
* Approximately 30% of your brain is composed of lecithin.
* In the brain, lecithin's choline is transformed into acetylcholine, a vital compound for the transmission of messages from one nerve to another. This has a direct and substantial effect on memory, thinking ability and muscle control.
* Choline is taken up directly by the brain and used almost at once to help the brain make acetylcholine. This means the amount of lecithin (phosphatidyl choline) furnished by each meal has a direct and almost immediate effect on the efficiency of the brain. Researchers found this surprising because it had long been believed that the blood-brain-barrier shielded the brain from such direct influences.
* Acetylcholine mediates our emotions and behavior and provides an important chemical bridge between nerve cells.
* ... work being done at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and other places that giving 14 grams of Lecithin a day - two heaping tablespoons -just about the best thing you can do for memory."
* ... University of Montreal ... patients suffering from olivoponocelebellar atrophy (wasting away of the brain) showed a "30% improvement" after only two months of taking 24 grams of lecithin daily.
* ... used lecithin to improve concentration and recall in learning disabled children, most of whom are either schizophrenic or autistic. "Clinical observations indicate about a 50% improvement."
* A key factor in proper brain and nerve transmissions is the presence of cellular substance called acetylcholine. Acetylcholine deficiencies are linked with the neurological disorders tardive dyskinesia (involuntary facial grimaces and body jerking), Huntington's chorea (the disease that killed Woody Guthrie), Friedrich's ataxia (speech impairment, irregular movements, and paralysis), olivaponto-cerebellas atrophy (wasting away of the brain), Alzheimer's disease (a mind destroying disease that starts with memory difficulties), and myasthenia gravis (progressive paralysis). Not all of these have research and some is contradictory but lecithin has been reported to help with issues related to acetylcholine deficiencies.
* Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) found that a daily supply of lecithin “improves brain chemical activity.” In particular, they found that lecithin affected brain activities such as learning, memory, motor coordination, sensory feedback, and sleep patterns. Studies showed “improvement of thinking and intelligence” as well as substantial improvement in the area of speech.
* The main source of energy for the brain comes from a combination of oxygen and glucose (sugar). For brain cells to function normally they must receive a constant supply of these nutrients. As areas of the brain become more active blood flow into and out of these areas increase. In addition to oxygen and glucose, the brain uses chemical compounds known as phospholipids. These phosopholipids make up the covering of nerve cells that assist in the transfer of information from cell to cell. Without phospholipids brain cell activity may become abnormal and cause problems in the nervous system. Certain diseases like Alzheimer's disease and brain tumors can affect blood flow to the brain and change the way the brain metabolizes phopholipids. In addition to diseases, changes in the brain occur with normal healthy aging. Lecithin's key elements can make a significant difference in many areas of the brain, beyond merely the acetylcholine element. Everything good it does for cells and membranes in the rest of the body applies to the brain as well.
MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL AND SLEEP ISSUES
* Helps improve anxiety and nervousness.
* Lecithin nourishes the nerves in the brain, alleviates their fatigue, activates brain cells, and improves symptoms like insomnia.
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THE BRAIN AND MEMORY
* Approximately 30% of your brain is composed of lecithin.
* In the brain, lecithin's choline is transformed into acetylcholine, a vital compound for the transmission of messages from one nerve to another. This has a direct and substantial effect on memory, thinking ability and muscle control.
* Choline is taken up directly by the brain and used almost at once to help the brain make acetylcholine. This means the amount of lecithin (phosphatidyl choline) furnished by each meal has a direct and almost immediate effect on the efficiency of the brain. Researchers found this surprising because it had long been believed that the blood-brain-barrier shielded the brain from such direct influences.
* Acetylcholine mediates our emotions and behavior and provides an important chemical bridge between nerve cells.
* ... work being done at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and other places that giving 14 grams of Lecithin a day - two heaping tablespoons -just about the best thing you can do for memory."
* ... University of Montreal ... patients suffering from olivoponocelebellar atrophy (wasting away of the brain) showed a "30% improvement" after only two months of taking 24 grams of lecithin daily.
* ... used lecithin to improve concentration and recall in learning disabled children, most of whom are either schizophrenic or autistic. "Clinical observations indicate about a 50% improvement."
* A key factor in proper brain and nerve transmissions is the presence of cellular substance called acetylcholine. Acetylcholine deficiencies are linked with the neurological disorders tardive dyskinesia (involuntary facial grimaces and body jerking), Huntington's chorea (the disease that killed Woody Guthrie), Friedrich's ataxia (speech impairment, irregular movements, and paralysis), olivaponto-cerebellas atrophy (wasting away of the brain), Alzheimer's disease (a mind destroying disease that starts with memory difficulties), and myasthenia gravis (progressive paralysis). Not all of these have research and some is contradictory but lecithin has been reported to help with issues related to acetylcholine deficiencies.
* Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) found that a daily supply of lecithin “improves brain chemical activity.” In particular, they found that lecithin affected brain activities such as learning, memory, motor coordination, sensory feedback, and sleep patterns. Studies showed “improvement of thinking and intelligence” as well as substantial improvement in the area of speech.
* The main source of energy for the brain comes from a combination of oxygen and glucose (sugar). For brain cells to function normally they must receive a constant supply of these nutrients. As areas of the brain become more active blood flow into and out of these areas increase. In addition to oxygen and glucose, the brain uses chemical compounds known as phospholipids. These phosopholipids make up the covering of nerve cells that assist in the transfer of information from cell to cell. Without phospholipids brain cell activity may become abnormal and cause problems in the nervous system. Certain diseases like Alzheimer's disease and brain tumors can affect blood flow to the brain and change the way the brain metabolizes phopholipids. In addition to diseases, changes in the brain occur with normal healthy aging. Lecithin's key elements can make a significant difference in many areas of the brain, beyond merely the acetylcholine element. Everything good it does for cells and membranes in the rest of the body applies to the brain as well.
MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL AND SLEEP ISSUES
* Helps improve anxiety and nervousness.
* Lecithin nourishes the nerves in the brain, alleviates their fatigue, activates brain cells, and improves symptoms like insomnia.
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THE NERVOUS SYSTEM, NERVES & THEIR MYELIN SHEATH
* The human spinal cord contains 6-10% lecithin.
* Lecithin is found in your spine, in your nerves, and in all the muscles of your body.
* Of the insulating and protective sheaths that surround your brain, spine and thousands of miles of nerves, lecithin accounts for two-thirds of their composition.
* Multiple sclerosis patients have significantly less lecithin in the brain and myelin sheath than normal persons. And, the lecithin that is present in the brain and myelin sheath of these people is essentially composed of all saturated fatty acids and no unsaturated fatty acids. (Note: lecithin sources such as eggs are more saturated and vegetable [e.g. soy, sunflower] sources are more unsaturated.]
* It is claimed by some that Lecithin will help heal and balance the frayed nerves that are present as a result of prolonged inflammation.
* “Lecithin is very calming to the nervous system,” says Dr. Bernard Rimland, Director of the Center for Autism Research in San Diego. Feingold used lecithin extensively in his supplemental program for children who were suffering with hyperactivity.
THE LIVER - FATS
* ~5% of the weight of the liver is lecithin.
* About 66% of the liver's natural fat is lecithin.
* Fatty liver can be caused by certain chemical compounds, nutritional or endocrine disorders, and by genetic factors. Drugs and chemical compounds that can cause fatty liver include alcohol, tetracycline, methotrexate, valproic acid, cortisone and cortisone-like medications, carbon tetrachloride, and other solvents. Of these, alcohol is by far the most common cause. Liver inflammation may accompany exposure to these toxins. Nutritional causes of fat in the liver include starvation, malnutrition, or obesity. Fat in the liver can also occur with rapid or extreme weight reduction such as might occur following an intestinal or gastric bypass operation for obesity. In some patients with fatty liver the fat is accompanied by inflammation (steatohepatitis), and occasionally the fat and inflammation may lead to scarring of the liver (fibrosis). The endocrine causes of fatty liver include diabetes mellitus, elevated cholesterol or triglycerides, and fatty liver of pregnancy. Fatty liver during pregnancy occurs near the end of pregnancy and may result in premature delivery or termination of the pregnancy.
* Lecithin speeds the flow of fats and cholesterol through the liver, preventing the buildup of fats, and helping it eliminate toxins.
(Trivia 1: L-carnitine may enhance fat metabolism by the liver also.)
(Trivia 2: I read a claim that steroids can actually cause fatty liver.)
THE LIVER - BILE
* Phosphatidylcholine (PC), part of lecithin, is one of the components of bile. It is required for normal transport of bile acids.
* Lecithin aids the bile in the blending effect on bile salts and bile components. Without lecithin, the proteins in bile separate out and form gallstones.
* Cholesterol is normally dissolved and kept in solution as a flowing liquid when there are adequate amounts of essential fatty acids. The melting point of solid cholesterol that one would find in the artery wall is 300 degrees F. When lecithin is present, such as in the biliary system, the melting point of cholesterol falls to 180 degrees F, but it is still insoluble without the addition of bile salts. The chemical structure of lecithin and the electrical charges it carries give it powerful detergent action. It is able to emulsify oils and hold them in solution. Lecithin is an important constituent of bile. It enables fats including cholesterol to be dispersed in water and removed from the body. When the essential fatty acids linoleic and linolenic are present in sufficient quantity, the melting point of cholesterol falls to 32 degrees, which is well below normal body temperature.
* Lecithin reduces plasma membrane disruption by hydrophobic bile salts. It may play a key role in preventing bile salt injury of biliary and gastrointestinal epithelia.
GALLBLADDER AND GALLSTONES (related to liver)
* Bile, produced in the liver, is stored in the gallbladder. This bile is comprised mostly of bile acids, lecithin, and cholesterol, and it is necessary in fat metabolism. If sufficient lecithin is not present in the bile, the cholesterol forms gallstones.
* At Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, Dr. David A. Druling found that in patients with gallstones, gallstone attacks were cut in half by taking 13 grams of lecithin a day (a table spoonful is 7.5 grams). Also the size of gallstones were greatly reduced in one case.
* Cholesterol and bile salts are in a delicate balance in bile and an absolute or relative increase of one over the other tends to result in stone formation. The detergent action of lecithin can prevent this stone formation.
continued in next post
THE NERVOUS SYSTEM, NERVES & THEIR MYELIN SHEATH
* The human spinal cord contains 6-10% lecithin.
* Lecithin is found in your spine, in your nerves, and in all the muscles of your body.
* Of the insulating and protective sheaths that surround your brain, spine and thousands of miles of nerves, lecithin accounts for two-thirds of their composition.
* Multiple sclerosis patients have significantly less lecithin in the brain and myelin sheath than normal persons. And, the lecithin that is present in the brain and myelin sheath of these people is essentially composed of all saturated fatty acids and no unsaturated fatty acids. (Note: lecithin sources such as eggs are more saturated and vegetable [e.g. soy, sunflower] sources are more unsaturated.]
* It is claimed by some that Lecithin will help heal and balance the frayed nerves that are present as a result of prolonged inflammation.
* “Lecithin is very calming to the nervous system,” says Dr. Bernard Rimland, Director of the Center for Autism Research in San Diego. Feingold used lecithin extensively in his supplemental program for children who were suffering with hyperactivity.
THE LIVER - FATS
* ~5% of the weight of the liver is lecithin.
* About 66% of the liver's natural fat is lecithin.
* Fatty liver can be caused by certain chemical compounds, nutritional or endocrine disorders, and by genetic factors. Drugs and chemical compounds that can cause fatty liver include alcohol, tetracycline, methotrexate, valproic acid, cortisone and cortisone-like medications, carbon tetrachloride, and other solvents. Of these, alcohol is by far the most common cause. Liver inflammation may accompany exposure to these toxins. Nutritional causes of fat in the liver include starvation, malnutrition, or obesity. Fat in the liver can also occur with rapid or extreme weight reduction such as might occur following an intestinal or gastric bypass operation for obesity. In some patients with fatty liver the fat is accompanied by inflammation (steatohepatitis), and occasionally the fat and inflammation may lead to scarring of the liver (fibrosis). The endocrine causes of fatty liver include diabetes mellitus, elevated cholesterol or triglycerides, and fatty liver of pregnancy. Fatty liver during pregnancy occurs near the end of pregnancy and may result in premature delivery or termination of the pregnancy.
* Lecithin speeds the flow of fats and cholesterol through the liver, preventing the buildup of fats, and helping it eliminate toxins.
(Trivia 1: L-carnitine may enhance fat metabolism by the liver also.)
(Trivia 2: I read a claim that steroids can actually cause fatty liver.)
THE LIVER - BILE
* Phosphatidylcholine (PC), part of lecithin, is one of the components of bile. It is required for normal transport of bile acids.
* Lecithin aids the bile in the blending effect on bile salts and bile components. Without lecithin, the proteins in bile separate out and form gallstones.
* Cholesterol is normally dissolved and kept in solution as a flowing liquid when there are adequate amounts of essential fatty acids. The melting point of solid cholesterol that one would find in the artery wall is 300 degrees F. When lecithin is present, such as in the biliary system, the melting point of cholesterol falls to 180 degrees F, but it is still insoluble without the addition of bile salts. The chemical structure of lecithin and the electrical charges it carries give it powerful detergent action. It is able to emulsify oils and hold them in solution. Lecithin is an important constituent of bile. It enables fats including cholesterol to be dispersed in water and removed from the body. When the essential fatty acids linoleic and linolenic are present in sufficient quantity, the melting point of cholesterol falls to 32 degrees, which is well below normal body temperature.
* Lecithin reduces plasma membrane disruption by hydrophobic bile salts. It may play a key role in preventing bile salt injury of biliary and gastrointestinal epithelia.
GALLBLADDER AND GALLSTONES (related to liver)
* Bile, produced in the liver, is stored in the gallbladder. This bile is comprised mostly of bile acids, lecithin, and cholesterol, and it is necessary in fat metabolism. If sufficient lecithin is not present in the bile, the cholesterol forms gallstones.
* At Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York, Dr. David A. Druling found that in patients with gallstones, gallstone attacks were cut in half by taking 13 grams of lecithin a day (a table spoonful is 7.5 grams). Also the size of gallstones were greatly reduced in one case.
* Cholesterol and bile salts are in a delicate balance in bile and an absolute or relative increase of one over the other tends to result in stone formation. The detergent action of lecithin can prevent this stone formation.
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THE LIVER - TOXINS, FIBROSIS, CIRRHOSIS
* Lecithin can accelerate the reproduction of liver cells for recovery from damage.
* Most liver metabolism occurs on cell membranes, which occupy about 33,000 square meters in the human. More than 2 decades of clinical trials indicate that PC protects the liver against damage from alcoholism, pharmaceuticals, pollutant substances, viruses, and other toxic influences, most of which operate by damaging cell membranes.
* Animals fed high alcohol diets develop liver cirrhosis without lecithin, but with supplementation cirrhosis does not occur.
* The human liver is confronted with tens of thousands of exogenous substances. The metabolism of these xenobiotics can result in the liver's detoxicative enzymes producing reactive metabolites that attack the liver tissue. Sufficient dietary supplementation with PC has been showed to significantly speed recovery of the liver.
* The liver exports fat. To do that, it must wrap the fat in an envelope containing lecithin and certain proteins. When lecithin is unavailable, no envelope can be made, and fat accumulates in the liver. Liver cells low in lecithin fill up with fat and then die. "Humans who are fed intravenously with solutions that lack lecithin and choline start to have liver cell death," says Dr. Zeisel. "This can be reversed when you give them a lecithin or choline supplement."
* One form of choline, phosphatidylcholine (PC), seems to be particularly beneficial to the liver. In clinical studies, PC helped with alcoholic liver damage, cirrhosis, viral liver damage, and drug-induced liver damage. Animal research showed that PC supplementation was superior to any other treatment for alcohol-induced liver damage and cirrhosis. PC is found in small amounts in most lecithin supplements. Greater concentrations are available in supplements labeled PC or Leci-PC.
(Trivia: In addition to milk thistle and some other herbs [some say turmeric for example], supplements containing alpha-lipoic acid, N-acetyl cysteine, and Omega 3 fatty acids are also cited by some physicians as being helpful to damaged liver.)
THE BLOODSTREAM - CHOLESTEROL
* Instead of "blocking" absorption of cholesterol in the digestive tract as other cholesterol reducing agents did, lecithin enhanced the metabolism of cholesterol in the digestive system and aided in its transport through the circulatory system. The lecithin acted as an emulsifier and broke down the fats and cholesterol in the diet into tiny particles and held them in suspension, preventing them from sticking to blood platelets or arterial walls. It is when fats are not properly emulsified, that they become "sticky" and this is the major cause of blood clots, atherosclerosis, and coronary thrombosis.
* Researchers have since demonstrated that atherosclerosis (blockage of the arteries) can be induced in the laboratory by either increasing the cholesterol introduced into the body or by decreasing lecithin intake.
* Dr. William Delamater reported that in older people, if sufficient lecithin was present in the blood, the blood fat level returned to normal in about three hours after a high fat meal. But, if there wasn't sufficient lecithin in the blood, fat and cholesterol levels remained high for as long as twenty hours.
* Most research studies using lecithin to lower cholesterol levels have been done using 3-5 rounded tablespoons of lecithin granules daily. After a period of three to four months, significant reduction in serum cholesterol is usually observed.
* Studies in Japan showed consumption of 15-20g of lecithin lowered LDL-cholesterol up to 16%. | Lowers LDL-cholesterol. Raises HDL-cholesterol.
CELL MEMBRANES
* Phosphatidylcholine occurs in all cellular organisms, being one of the major components of the phospholipid portion of the cell membrane.
* Lecithin is responsible for maintaining the surface tension of the cell membrane. It therefore controls what goes in and out of each cell, allowing nutrients in, or wastes out. Without enough lecithin, the cell wall hardens, thus not allowing enough nutrients in or wastes out. This means premature aging of cells. The surface tension of the cell maintained by lecithin is also responsible for transmitting nerve impulses and messages through or from the cell.
SKIN AND SCALP
* Lecithin increases the skin metabolism and disposal of toxin wastes.
* Psoriasis is apparently due, at least in part, to a faulty utilization of fat and is usually accompanied by a high cholesterol level. Generally, with 3 to 5 tablespoons of lecithin granules per day cholesterol goes down and psoriasis clears up.
* It enhances absorption into the skin.
* Lecithin can be used topically to treat sunburns, minor skin irritations, scrapes, and to soften dry skin.
* Choline and Inositol in lecithin are the main nutrients for maintaining skin and hair health. [I didn't find much on this though. - PJ]
continued in next post
THE LIVER - TOXINS, FIBROSIS, CIRRHOSIS
* Lecithin can accelerate the reproduction of liver cells for recovery from damage.
* Most liver metabolism occurs on cell membranes, which occupy about 33,000 square meters in the human. More than 2 decades of clinical trials indicate that PC protects the liver against damage from alcoholism, pharmaceuticals, pollutant substances, viruses, and other toxic influences, most of which operate by damaging cell membranes.
* Animals fed high alcohol diets develop liver cirrhosis without lecithin, but with supplementation cirrhosis does not occur.
* The human liver is confronted with tens of thousands of exogenous substances. The metabolism of these xenobiotics can result in the liver's detoxicative enzymes producing reactive metabolites that attack the liver tissue. Sufficient dietary supplementation with PC has been showed to significantly speed recovery of the liver.
* The liver exports fat. To do that, it must wrap the fat in an envelope containing lecithin and certain proteins. When lecithin is unavailable, no envelope can be made, and fat accumulates in the liver. Liver cells low in lecithin fill up with fat and then die. "Humans who are fed intravenously with solutions that lack lecithin and choline start to have liver cell death," says Dr. Zeisel. "This can be reversed when you give them a lecithin or choline supplement."
* One form of choline, phosphatidylcholine (PC), seems to be particularly beneficial to the liver. In clinical studies, PC helped with alcoholic liver damage, cirrhosis, viral liver damage, and drug-induced liver damage. Animal research showed that PC supplementation was superior to any other treatment for alcohol-induced liver damage and cirrhosis. PC is found in small amounts in most lecithin supplements. Greater concentrations are available in supplements labeled PC or Leci-PC.
(Trivia: In addition to milk thistle and some other herbs [some say turmeric for example], supplements containing alpha-lipoic acid, N-acetyl cysteine, and Omega 3 fatty acids are also cited by some physicians as being helpful to damaged liver.)
THE BLOODSTREAM - CHOLESTEROL
* Instead of "blocking" absorption of cholesterol in the digestive tract as other cholesterol reducing agents did, lecithin enhanced the metabolism of cholesterol in the digestive system and aided in its transport through the circulatory system. The lecithin acted as an emulsifier and broke down the fats and cholesterol in the diet into tiny particles and held them in suspension, preventing them from sticking to blood platelets or arterial walls. It is when fats are not properly emulsified, that they become "sticky" and this is the major cause of blood clots, atherosclerosis, and coronary thrombosis.
* Researchers have since demonstrated that atherosclerosis (blockage of the arteries) can be induced in the laboratory by either increasing the cholesterol introduced into the body or by decreasing lecithin intake.
* Dr. William Delamater reported that in older people, if sufficient lecithin was present in the blood, the blood fat level returned to normal in about three hours after a high fat meal. But, if there wasn't sufficient lecithin in the blood, fat and cholesterol levels remained high for as long as twenty hours.
* Most research studies using lecithin to lower cholesterol levels have been done using 3-5 rounded tablespoons of lecithin granules daily. After a period of three to four months, significant reduction in serum cholesterol is usually observed.
* Studies in Japan showed consumption of 15-20g of lecithin lowered LDL-cholesterol up to 16%. | Lowers LDL-cholesterol. Raises HDL-cholesterol.
CELL MEMBRANES
* Phosphatidylcholine occurs in all cellular organisms, being one of the major components of the phospholipid portion of the cell membrane.
* Lecithin is responsible for maintaining the surface tension of the cell membrane. It therefore controls what goes in and out of each cell, allowing nutrients in, or wastes out. Without enough lecithin, the cell wall hardens, thus not allowing enough nutrients in or wastes out. This means premature aging of cells. The surface tension of the cell maintained by lecithin is also responsible for transmitting nerve impulses and messages through or from the cell.
SKIN AND SCALP
* Lecithin increases the skin metabolism and disposal of toxin wastes.
* Psoriasis is apparently due, at least in part, to a faulty utilization of fat and is usually accompanied by a high cholesterol level. Generally, with 3 to 5 tablespoons of lecithin granules per day cholesterol goes down and psoriasis clears up.
* It enhances absorption into the skin.
* Lecithin can be used topically to treat sunburns, minor skin irritations, scrapes, and to soften dry skin.
* Choline and Inositol in lecithin are the main nutrients for maintaining skin and hair health. [I didn't find much on this though. - PJ]
continued in next post
(continued)
THE BLOOD SYSTEM
* Lecithin helps improve the elasticity of blood vessels.
* Lecithin protects red blood (and other) cells from oxidation (and removes superoxide, a ROS).
* Due to the effect of improved blood circulation and better cholesterol profile in the cardiovascular system, lecithin lowers high blood pressure.
* W.S. Hartroff, M.D., Ph.D., reported in the American Journal of Public Health that the lack of choline was found to head infants toward high blood pressure. Furthermore, it has been found that a choline deficiency induced tendency to high blood pressure can not be reversed. Note: Human milk contains lecithin, but cow's milk does not.
* Lecithin can enhance the functions of hemoglobin.
BOWEL / DIGESTIVE TRACT
* Without sufficient lecithin, your body cannot utilize the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K.
* Lecithin in the digestive tract reduces bloating, hyperacidity and flatulence.
PANCREAS AND INSULIN
* The lack of lecithin can seriously decrease the functions of pancreas and affect the normal secretion of insulin.
* Lecithin also increases the excretion of blood sugar.
* Diabetics are generally found to have lower levels of lecithin in their body as compared to non-diabetics.
* Some diabetics' insulin requirements are often reduced or removed when sufficient lecithin is added to the diet.
JOINTS
* I found a variety of claims that sufficient lecithin intake would reduce or remove joint (e.g. knee) pain but nothing solid on this. - pjg
KIDNEYS
* Lecithin assists with some of the toxic waste disposals in the body.
* Reduces edema.
* Improves proteinuria in kidney patients.
FERTILITY
* Test tube studies have shown that lecithin has the ability to restore normal structure and movement to abnormal sperm cells and nearly double the acrosomal response.
* Lecithin is involved in the availability of platelet activating factor (PAF). PAF is involved in reproduction in "three ways: 1) in implanting of the egg in the uterine wall, 2) in fetal maturation and 3) in inducing of labor.
* Lecithin is essential for the production of sperms and eggs.
* Reported to help in treating erectile dysfunction in males.
* La Leche League recommends its use to prevent blocked or plugged milk ducts which can lead to mastitis in breastfeeding women.
GENERAL - ENDURANCE
* Your heart (the hardest muscle to fatigue) has the highest lecithin content.
* When a person exercises regularly to improve their muscle tone, the amount of lecithin contained in the muscles increases. This increase in muscle lecithin is in part responsible for the greater endurance of the muscle.
* After (and during) strenuous exercise, choline levels drop in the body, and this drop is linked to fatigue. The lower choline levels result in lower acetylcholine, which means nerve impulses (the messengers that tell your muscles when to work) travel slower, leading to slower reaction times and even more fatigue. Research has shown that when runners take choline (not lecithin), they may shave 5 minutes off their times in a 20-mile course compared to placebo, and swimmers may also dramatically improve their performance.
MENOPAUSE
* Reported to alleviate post-menopausal symptoms such as hot flushes, headaches, depressions, dizziness, tiredness and insomnia.
GENERAL
* 1% of human body weight is made up by lecithin.
* The body's highest concentration of lecithin is found in the vital organs.
* ... [some researchers report that] proper functions in general are often attributed to a good amount of lecithin in the diet.
* Lecithin helps to metabolize (break down) excessive fat all through the body.
* Some claim the nutritional value of Lecithin is nearly equal to that of protein or that of vitamins.
* Egg-derived lecithin is not usually a concern for those allergic to eggs since commercially available Egg Lecithin is highly purified and devoid of allergy causing egg proteins.
* Egg lecithin is not a concern for those on low-cholesterol diets, because the lecithin found in eggs markedly inhibits the absorption of the cholesterol contained in eggs.
ISSUES
* A safe dose of lecithin is considered to be up to 30 grams per day. Some people taking high dosages (over 30 grams per day, normal weight humans) can experience side effects, such as abdominal discomfort, diarrhea, anorexia (lack of appetite), a fishy body odor, and nausea.
(that's the end of the post)
THE BLOOD SYSTEM
* Lecithin helps improve the elasticity of blood vessels.
* Lecithin protects red blood (and other) cells from oxidation (and removes superoxide, a ROS).
* Due to the effect of improved blood circulation and better cholesterol profile in the cardiovascular system, lecithin lowers high blood pressure.
* W.S. Hartroff, M.D., Ph.D., reported in the American Journal of Public Health that the lack of choline was found to head infants toward high blood pressure. Furthermore, it has been found that a choline deficiency induced tendency to high blood pressure can not be reversed. Note: Human milk contains lecithin, but cow's milk does not.
* Lecithin can enhance the functions of hemoglobin.
BOWEL / DIGESTIVE TRACT
* Without sufficient lecithin, your body cannot utilize the fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K.
* Lecithin in the digestive tract reduces bloating, hyperacidity and flatulence.
PANCREAS AND INSULIN
* The lack of lecithin can seriously decrease the functions of pancreas and affect the normal secretion of insulin.
* Lecithin also increases the excretion of blood sugar.
* Diabetics are generally found to have lower levels of lecithin in their body as compared to non-diabetics.
* Some diabetics' insulin requirements are often reduced or removed when sufficient lecithin is added to the diet.
JOINTS
* I found a variety of claims that sufficient lecithin intake would reduce or remove joint (e.g. knee) pain but nothing solid on this. - pjg
KIDNEYS
* Lecithin assists with some of the toxic waste disposals in the body.
* Reduces edema.
* Improves proteinuria in kidney patients.
FERTILITY
* Test tube studies have shown that lecithin has the ability to restore normal structure and movement to abnormal sperm cells and nearly double the acrosomal response.
* Lecithin is involved in the availability of platelet activating factor (PAF). PAF is involved in reproduction in "three ways: 1) in implanting of the egg in the uterine wall, 2) in fetal maturation and 3) in inducing of labor.
* Lecithin is essential for the production of sperms and eggs.
* Reported to help in treating erectile dysfunction in males.
* La Leche League recommends its use to prevent blocked or plugged milk ducts which can lead to mastitis in breastfeeding women.
GENERAL - ENDURANCE
* Your heart (the hardest muscle to fatigue) has the highest lecithin content.
* When a person exercises regularly to improve their muscle tone, the amount of lecithin contained in the muscles increases. This increase in muscle lecithin is in part responsible for the greater endurance of the muscle.
* After (and during) strenuous exercise, choline levels drop in the body, and this drop is linked to fatigue. The lower choline levels result in lower acetylcholine, which means nerve impulses (the messengers that tell your muscles when to work) travel slower, leading to slower reaction times and even more fatigue. Research has shown that when runners take choline (not lecithin), they may shave 5 minutes off their times in a 20-mile course compared to placebo, and swimmers may also dramatically improve their performance.
MENOPAUSE
* Reported to alleviate post-menopausal symptoms such as hot flushes, headaches, depressions, dizziness, tiredness and insomnia.
GENERAL
* 1% of human body weight is made up by lecithin.
* The body's highest concentration of lecithin is found in the vital organs.
* ... [some researchers report that] proper functions in general are often attributed to a good amount of lecithin in the diet.
* Lecithin helps to metabolize (break down) excessive fat all through the body.
* Some claim the nutritional value of Lecithin is nearly equal to that of protein or that of vitamins.
* Egg-derived lecithin is not usually a concern for those allergic to eggs since commercially available Egg Lecithin is highly purified and devoid of allergy causing egg proteins.
* Egg lecithin is not a concern for those on low-cholesterol diets, because the lecithin found in eggs markedly inhibits the absorption of the cholesterol contained in eggs.
ISSUES
* A safe dose of lecithin is considered to be up to 30 grams per day. Some people taking high dosages (over 30 grams per day, normal weight humans) can experience side effects, such as abdominal discomfort, diarrhea, anorexia (lack of appetite), a fishy body odor, and nausea.
(that's the end of the post)
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