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Hawaii Verifies Obama a Dual Citizen: Not Qualified For Presidency

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posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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What a misleading thread this is? Yellow journalism at its worst! I would rather read about santa claus coming down the chimney on christmas eve, than more Obama is a closet socialist from kenya. The birthers and conservatives never seize to amaze me.

I will admit I had my doubts about his citizenship in the beginning, but reasonable proof has been provided and more. I think people need to let this go and focus on important issues. The more we are distracted with this nonsense the less attention the real topics get.




posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Just more birther desperation.

Birthers don't die...they just come up with different illogical lies. Now that it is proven that he was born in Hawaii...they move on to the next illogical argument.


Obama will be on all 50 State's ballots....birthers can cry about it all they want....but fortunately logical and intelligent people are in charge and not birthers.


But I wouldn't mind seeing them thrown out of court a few more times....that's always entertaining.


Personally, I find it a slight dubious that the alleged birth certificate happens to come from Hawaii....the one state of the union that has wanted to secede from the union since day one.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by PurpleChiten
 


I could go with that. I would even think of going as far as treating it more like jury duty. People are called to serve in the office of congressman or senator for a given term, then sent back home and back to their lives with special requiremets for employers to return them to their previous or better position. That would take all the life-long politicians out of the mix.

EXCELLENT idea! Oh noez! the dreaded Congressional duty summons arrives in your mailbox.....here's your handbook and the upcoming legislative agenda...study hard, fill out this form, and arrive early for coffee and bagels.
I like it. I like it a lot!!


Yup, they could call in a large group, then narrow it down based on ability. There will always be some that are not able to serve due to age or illness, but it would give a good cross section of the population and take all the politics out of it.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen
Okay, first, don't blame me for the headline. It is directly from the article.

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Ok, given that it is not really a headline, but an opinion from someone's blog, however I will blame you for attempting to mask it as a headline in a politically driven attempt to frame these points as relevant. The fact that you did so shows: (a.) your desperation to keep this dead horse issue alive. (b.) the pointlessness & tediousness of your efforts as perceived by other ATS members who come here to read about real conspiracies, paranormal events, etc.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by karen61057

Originally posted by doryinaz
reply to post by PurpleChiten
 


no, grasshopper.... a Natural Born Citizen is one whose parents were BOTH American citizens, and he/she is born in the USA....not too tough to understand..2 important parts of this equation.....now, tell me...does that definition apply to Barack Hussein Obama?.....no.....there ya go...pretty simple to grasp....
WRONG WRONG WRONG Sorry but you are so wrong. Not really sorry but you are still so wrong.


Well, lets see.... He's sitting in the White House and is the President of the United States, so if I am, indeed wrong, the burden of proof seems to be on you. If you are unable to bring this proof and have him removed from that office, then apparently, I'm right and it's you who are wrong



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by redneck13
obama impeachment has begun


Yeah, sure, an opinion video put together by somebody and posted on March 11 means the imaginary impeachment has begun ROFLMAO



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by jimmyx
i think mental retardation is now the intellectual level regarding this subject. deliberate stupidity is now considered popular and appealing for pulling in voters for the republicans, campaign slogans for the conservatives have devolved into viscid, pustulent, eruptions of yellowish fluids disguised as political thought.


I guess the appeal to those who follow is the common mindset and intelligence level. When they go completely belligerant and foam at the mouth, those of lower intelligence think to themselves "hey, that guy is just like me, he must know what he's talking about" and you get a very large group of very stupid people together, all screaming and shouting at the top of their lungs and it causes things like this to happen.
I do miss the "old days" when people who weren't very bright, those who were clearly unable to succeed in areas of intelligence, the downright "stupid" were kept out of public discourse whether it be through humanity, embarassment, humiliation or whatever the case was, they weren't up spewing and screaming about all the wild and crazy ideas that popped into their heads and more things got done.
That just isn't the case anymore. I guess since they were kept away from public discourse, they occupied themselve with breeding excessively and now there are so many of them that they just can't be kept under supervision and they're overflowing into all areas of society



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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posting opinion video as if it was a real news item....... it never ends. does it purple,.....that so many cling to these falsehoods when the truth has been presented over and over again is embarassing.....the fact that they get to vote is totally SCARY....... birthers, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your delusions.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by PurpleChiten

Originally posted by redneck13
obama impeachment has begun


Yeah, sure, an opinion video put together by somebody and posted on March 11 means the imaginary impeachment has begun ROFLMAO


It dosent sound all that imaginary
it's just none of the devil possesed media want to cover it

www.opencongress.org...

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H.Con.Res.107 - Expressing the sense of Congress that the use of offensive military force by a President without prior and clear authorization of an Act of Congress constitutes an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor under Article II, section 4 of the Constitution.

Impeach Obama – Demand Hearings on HCR-107

HCR 107 is a resolution of impeachment against Obama, based on the President’s history of circumventing Congress in launching wars of aggression, as well as Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta’s recent testimony that Obama doesn’t require ...




posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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We didn't like George Bush so we elected in his cousin Obama, now we don't like Obama so MSN tells us Bush's other cousin Romney would be better.


The fact is this is all a distraction. These people are globalist scum pulling off the family plan. If Obama was born on mars he has enough connections, being in the bloodline, to have the most perfect birth certificate ever forged. The fact that he released a blatantly forged one shows this was all part of the show.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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Big deal he has a Connecticut Social Security Number....?

Nobody cares he was born in Kenya. If anyone was worried about it the nation would be in the middle of a civil war.

We aint.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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he wasn't born in kenya, must leap over great mountains of logic to believe that....



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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What this thread apparently is lacking is a mention of the original intent of the founding fathers when they used the phrase "Natural Born" in the Constitution.

And the problem appears to be this.

Wikipedia "Natural born citizens"

Vattel's book "The Law of Nations"




An English-language translation of Emerich de Vattel's 1758 treatise The Law of Nations (original French title: Le Droit du gens), stating that "The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country of parents who are citizens," was quoted in 1857 by Supreme Court justice Peter Vivian Daniel in a concurring opinion in Dred Scott v. Sandford,[26] as well as by Chief Justice Melville Fuller in 1898 in his dissenting opinion in United States v. Wong Kim Ark.[27]


When the founding fathers went to write the Constitution this book had been out for approximately 20-25 years. And most likely read by most if not all of them. Clearly Obama fails the natural born citizen test as defined by the book.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:00 PM
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The problem with logic is that logic is not actually proof. All it is is a claim without any real evidence to back it up. Anybody can be argumentative, but being argumentative doesn't really present any real evidence. And regardless of how verbose or eloquent or lengthy it might be, you still need real evidence to back up the claim, not just an argument.

When there's real evidence, then I'm interested, until then, all logic is to be disregarded.

Anybody can use logic to be argumentative.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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Natural Born and Native Born are two different things. You can be a Native Born Citizen (born in the U.S.) and still not be a Natural Born Citizen (one born in the U.S. of two U.S. Citizens). The Supreme Court ruling in Minor v. Happersett defines a Natural-born Citizen as the offspring of TWO U.S. Citizens.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Honor93
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Then my statement holds

which one ??

You are suggesting that every other nation on the planet has more power over our presidential elections than anyone in the US does.
That is bullpucky
this one ??

it's just as much BS now as it was the first time you wrote it.
i didn't suggest anything.

i do know what i've said and i can re-read it if i don't, you on the other hand, seem to have an insatiable need to make stuff up so please, find another playmate.

if we are not travelling on the same wavelength, so be it but don't post such nonsense and expect me to agree.


You said dual citizenship disqualifies you as president of the US.
no, i haven't but you keep repeating it until you believe it ok?


OK, as the queen of Jiserkistan, I declare Mitt Romney a citizen of my nation.
Now I just disqualified him according to what you say is the situation at hand.
no, you just made some random claim which hardly applies.
did you conceive or birth Mr Mitt Romney ?? no ?? well then, it's still nonsense.








There is no way you are this stupid.
I do not believe it.

You said dual citizenship disqualifies you for the office of president.
Explain to me how what I wrote is wrong then?
If some other country declares Mitt a citizen, he is disqualified.

Are you suggesting that Obama was birthed by two different countries?
Why would you ask if I conceived Romney? Did Indonesia conceive Obama?



You really got try to make this little sense.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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Stupid argument is stupid.

Citizenship isn't the responsibility of the recipient, it is the responsibility of the issuer.

Iran could make Mitt Romney a citizen tomorrow by declaring it so. They are the issuers of said citizenship status, not Mitt Romney, not The United States. Mitt Romney could denounce it, but it doesn't matter, as far as this logic goes, because he was once a citizen of Iran.

If a sitting president does something that a different country doesn't like, they could just declare that the president is now a citizen of their country, thus disqualifying him for the presidency. Hey, maybe they will have better luck with the next guy!

This is getting pretty pathetic.

EDIT:

I was ninja'd by the preceding poster!
edit on 1-6-2012 by Furbs because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by MuonSpin

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I expected someone would say this. The 'ties' factcheck.org's parent company has to Bill Ayers or Obama is not enough to convice me their information is false or distorted. Your claim is ambiguous @ best.


Well alright then, you won't be seen complaining about posts using WND either.


Not 100% sure what you are saying here. I did take my adderall today, yet I don't see the connection between my post and WND.

But since you said I won't be seen complaining about WND, I'll tell you my experience w/WND is that its ganglion of erroneous information.


You just proved my cynical point, that you will say that Factcheck is just fine but WND is not.

Umm ok about the Adderall. I generally don't have a problem with people and ADHD.


One is reliable and can be confirmed as accurate.
The other is constantly being proven to be wrong.

Why do you not understand these simple concepts?



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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OK, is this some sort of reality show based on internet message boards or something? Seriously! This can't possibly be real, there's no way. There aren't actually adults in this world, capable of using the internet and able to type and form words that are literally this....well... stupid.... are there??
What station will be running the show? Do I need to sign some sort of release form or something? How does all this work?



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by raresf
reply to post by PurpleChiten
 
Natural Born and Native Born are two different things. You can be a Native Born Citizen (born in the U.S.) and still not be a Natural Born Citizen (one born in the U.S. of two U.S. Citizens). The Supreme Court ruling in Minor v. Happersett defines a Natural-born Citizen as the offspring of TWO U.S. Citizens.



Actually - - the USSC has never finalized an exact definition of what Natural Born Citizen is. They have made decisions on individual cases - - - but have always left themselves a loop hole - - by intent it seems.

Anyway - - you are a Natural Born citizen if you are born on US soil (not territories) and not if you are a child of a diplomat from another country.

Your parents could be born on Mars - - - it does not matter where your parents were born.



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