BP oil spill toxins from Gulf of Mexico found in eggs of pelicans nesting in Minnesota - IMPORTANT!, page 1


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Topic started on 31-5-2012 @ 11:34 AM by Nspekta
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Nearly 80 percent of collected samples contained Corexit, a chemical dispersant used to break up oil spills. Both the petroleum compounds and Corexit are dangerous in small doses, capable of causing cancer, endocrine disruption, and birth defects.

Researchers for the Department of Natural Resources have found evidence of petroleum compounds and the chemical used to clean up the 2010 BP oil spill in eggs of pelicans nesting in Minnesota.

Petroleum compounds were present in 90 percent of the first batch of eggs tested. Nearly 80 percent of collected samples contained Corexit, a chemical dispersant used to break up oil spills. Both the petroleum compounds and Corexit are dangerous in small doses, capable of causing cancer, endocrine disruption, and birth defects.



So now the effects of this disaster are spreading out through the migration of birds.. And bringing with it potentials for causing:

cancer, endocrine disruption, and birth defects.
among other horrible diseases and side effects

I think we all knew that the easy-peasy fix it solution, Corexit, was going to have lasting long term effects. It was untested and now you barely hear of anything about the gulf issue except tose damn commercials with people talking about how safe and clean it is down there.. ugh. poor sheeple!

here some threads related:

State officials shut down shrimping in Gulf amid scientists finding deformities and ‘horrifying cr

The fishermen have never seen anything like this..." Gulf seafood deformities alarm scientists

Toxicologist: Corexit Destroys Basic Biological Structure Of Life *Video*,

Thoughts?!


reply posted on 31-5-2012 @ 12:12 PM by Nspekta
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Another Article :

www.thisdishisvegetarian.com... ollutants-found-in-eggs.html

And another,

minnesota.publicradio.org...

They are almost all the same but may give you some better resources if you want to delve into it
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reply posted on 31-5-2012 @ 12:21 PM by GuidedKill
Originally posted by Nspekta
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post by GuidedKill



Another Article :

www.thisdishisvegetarian.com... ollutants-found-in-eggs.html

And another,

minnesota.publicradio.org...

They are almost all the same but may give you some better resources if you want to delve into it
edit on 5/31/2012 by Nspekta because: (no reason given)


Thank you, I had done some digging and pretty much found the same article over and over.


reply posted on 31-5-2012 @ 12:23 PM by Ophiuchus 13
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Snf and thanks for sharing some updated info on the mess made. I still wonder what effects the oil/coritex is having on the atmosphere. The birds spend a lot of time in the air so maybe its a clue of how dirty the atmosphere is becomming.


reply posted on 1-6-2012 @ 04:05 AM by ignorant_ape
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i know rational reaction is frowned upon in these sorts of doom-monger threads

but - how about looking past the chicken-little headlines and asking questions , like :

1 - what was the sample size ?

2 - how were the sampled eggs selected

3 - were the sampled eggs ` live ` or ` stillborn `

4 - was the testing destructive or non destructive

5 - what was the adult pelican mortality rate in minnesota for the years :

2010 , 2011 , 2012

and most important - how did this statistically compare to the aggregate mortality for the decade 1990 to 2000

6 - what was the pelican chick mortality rate in minnesota for the years :

2010 , 2011 , 2012

and most important - how did this statistically compare to the aggregate mortality for the decade 1990 to 2000

7 - what was the actuall ppb value for the tested chemicals in the egg

8 - what was the ratio of live births to stillborn eggs in minnesota for the years :

2010 , 2011 , 2012

and most important - how did this statistically compare to the aggregate ratio for the decade 1990 to 2000

thse 8 questions are just the tip of the iceberg - but the answers will put the entire story in context

i cannot find a online summary of the results of this testing - just the fear mongering reaction to what t allegedly means - all hype , no facts

but hey - i have come to expect this
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reply posted on 1-6-2012 @ 09:10 AM by Flatfish
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I think you may have left out some of the most important questions of all, like;
1.) How many dead birds are we willing to view as acceptable?
2.) How many birth defects are we willing to view as acceptable?
3.) Which industries are less important than oil, thereby deeming them as expendable in the quest thereof? (Commercial fishing, shrimping, oystering, tourism, etc...)
4.) Unless it affects me personally, do I really care?

You can look for and probably find as many reasons as you want to declare these recent test results as being less than accurate, but the truth of the matter is; If the chemicals from the oil spill are showing up in these pelicans, then eventually they're going to show up in every other species, including people, that fed on seafood from the contaminated region as well. At least in trace amounts and according to the experts in the field, that's all it takes to have devastating effects.

The real question is; How much are we willing to accept?


reply posted on 1-6-2012 @ 11:31 AM by Nspekta
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
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post by Nspekta



i know rational reaction is frowned upon in these sorts of doom-monger threads

but - how about looking past the chicken-little headlines and asking questions , like :

1 - what was the sample size ?

2 - how were the sampled eggs selected

3 - were the sampled eggs ` live ` or ` stillborn `

4 - was the testing destructive or non destructive

5 - what was the adult pelican mortality rate in minnesota for the years :

2010 , 2011 , 2012

and most important - how did this statistically compare to the aggregate mortality for the decade 1990 to 2000

6 - what was the pelican chick mortality rate in minnesota for the years :

2010 , 2011 , 2012

and most important - how did this statistically compare to the aggregate mortality for the decade 1990 to 2000

7 - what was the actuall ppb value for the tested chemicals in the egg

8 - what was the ratio of live births to stillborn eggs in minnesota for the years :

2010 , 2011 , 2012

and most important - how did this statistically compare to the aggregate ratio for the decade 1990 to 2000

thse 8 questions are just the tip of the iceberg - but the answers will put the entire story in context

i cannot find a online summary of the results of this testing - just the fear mongering reaction to what t allegedly means - all hype , no facts

but hey - i have come to expect this
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Well since ALL the news stories don;t have this info, and to cheer you up, I did look all over for the actual scientific data, but alas, none to be found. SO, since it interests you AND since you obviously have questions of the validity of the science please review the following links:

Mark Clark - Click to get his full BIO including emails and Phone numbers that he can be reached at. Maybe he will provide you the info or let you know when/where he will be publishing it

Here is another link to another article describing his findings
and another

I think its great that you question the science, as there are no stupid questions and the way to deny ignorance is to ask questions and research yourself. so good on you.

**ADDED* I have personally sent him an Email asking where/when we can take a look at his findings. I will let you know when/if I hear from him****

Thank you!
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reply posted on 1-6-2012 @ 11:12 PM by thov420
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That picture just brings the whole issue to rest. That is a huge area, I'd guess what 70% of the US lives within that range? Not to mention all of Mexico and Guatemala and the surrounding countries. Mind-boggling.

I hope you get a response from the researcher as that would definitely give this story even more weight.
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