New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

So when should the state take over when the civilian population seems unwilling or unable to make a good decision on its own? Should they regulate fast food joints, civilians, or just stay out of it, and let America glut itself into obese death?

Not saying they are right to try and force the issue.. but something has to be done. I'm curious what alternatives could be offered, since people don't seem smart enough to help themselves.

For the record, big gulps have:

7-Eleven 32 oz Big Gulp : Sugars, total: 91g; Calories, total: 364; Calories from sugar:364
7-Eleven 44 oz Super Gulp: Sugars, total: 128g; Calories, total: 512; Calories from sugar: 512

512 calories.. and a staggering 128g of sugar.. in one drink. 32 TEASPOONS OF SUGAR! You don't think they should in any way regulate this? If people are too dumb stupid to realize what they are doing to themselves, maybe they should interfere.

useless waste of politics, they want to ban 32 oz, you can just buy 2 16 oz drinks.. you can't stop obesity so easily, around the corner there is a mcdonalds. Best we can do is educate people more on the side effects of these foods.

Originally posted by navy_vet_stg3 It's about protecting you from yourself. SIEG HEIL!

(BTW, that was all sarcasm, as this is a stupid law. Just another example of Socialism at its finest.)

I think you've got Socialism confused with Fascism.
In any case, it's a lot of fuss over oversized sweet drinks.
Americans are fat for Many, Many other reasons and the blame should not be placed on one thing.

Personally, I'd like to see cell phones banned (and those evil masts from hell brought down!), along with the elimination of SUVs, and there's no need for bottled water either unless there's a radiation or bio leak. And those bastard McMansions simply Must go. They are, after all, for big Fat people just like SUVs to drive them around!
No wonder other countries hate America.

reply to post by fleabit

So when should the state take over when the civilian population seems unwilling or unable to make a good decision on its own?

When should your neighbor decide what you should eat for supper?

Never. It's not the government's job.

Should they regulate fast food joints, civilians, or just stay out of it, and let America glut itself into obese death?

Absolutely not, as long as there is no fraud being perpetuated on the customers. I don't think people are buying these drinks and then realizing to their horror that the sellers lied by giving them more than 16 ounces.

I haven't needed a babysitter in over 40 years.

TheRedneck

This is where Freedom of Choice goes to far in my opinion. It is only because of the viruses of Industrialism and Wealth that these things exist.

I guess I do not believe in Freedom of Choice. Things should only be legal if they are A) healthy for the planet B) healthy for those who consume the product and C) are based off of free, renewable resources. This ideology is going to make me look like the bad guy, but if you allow evil to exist, under any circumstance, it will find a way to win.

reply to post by albertabound

You do realize you just covered

• Cell phones
  
• Televisions
  
• Computers
  
• Automobiles
  
• All plastics
  
• 90% of all agriculture
  
• All electricity
  
• Medicines
  
• Heating/Cooling

Right?

TheRedneck

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by albertabound

You do realize you just covered

• Cell phones
  
• Televisions
  
• Computers
  
• Automobiles
  
• All plastics
  
• 90% of all agriculture
  
• All electricity
  
• Medicines
  
• Heating/Cooling

Right?

TheRedneck

In their current petrolium based production, yes. I can guarentee you there are alternatives to the current production of these products that are not destructive.

This is the first step - legalizing hemp, once and for all.
lwww.cbc.ca...

Basically, in order to right these things, we need to destroy Wealth, Inheritance, and Privilege. This is at the center of it all - want and desire of more wealth and power. If we do not eliminate these things, it will never stop, period.

if weed is a schedule one drug sugar should get you life in prison.

reply to post by albertabound

Freedom is both dangerous and scary. Here's a flag that fits your mentality quite well.

reply to post by albertabound

In their current petrolium based production, yes. I can guarentee you there are alternatives to the current production of these products that are not destructive.

Really?

How does one make microchips without silicon doping processes and etching processes?

How does one make transformers without insulating oil?

How does one make batteries without the metals that go into them?

I would love to hear your answers, because it would turn the entire world of physics upside down. You would be the next Albert Einstein or Stephen Hawking!

So please... enlighten us.

TheRedneck

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We all die eventually, enjoy your coke zero.

And have a doughnut too.

Originally posted by neo96

New York Plans to Ban Sale of Big Sizes of Sugary Drinks

www.nytimes.com

New York City plans to enact a far-reaching ban on the sale of large sodas and other sugary drinks at restaurants, movie theaters and street carts, in the most ambitious effort yet by the Bloomberg administration to combat rising obesity.
The proposed ban would affect virtually the entire menu of popular sugary drinks found in delis, fast-food franchises and even sports arenas, from energy drinks to pre-sweetened iced teas. The sale of any cup or bottle of sweetened drink larger than 16 fluid ounces — about the size of a medium coffee, and smaller than a common soda bottle — would be pro

(visit the link for the full news article)

HAHA this isn't going to stop someone who is thirsty.

they will simply buy 2 medium drinks.


another thing is- if the diet soda is still for sale, ALL the thirsty people will go buy it instead ( and get EVEN fatter) because diet soda is WAY worse for you than normal soda already is.

this will do absolutely NOTHING.

they need to stop selling soda all together, and sell tea, and healthy hippie drinks (but ones that taste really awesome)

not trying to be evil or controlist, but.... people are DYING because they are so fat.

usually i try to stay out of peoples business, but really, they need help.

im not trying to make them take pills, or drug them, and im not forcing them to put ANYTHING into their bodies that they don't want, but my suggestion would be that they do something about the type of foods that are available to people in general.


movie theaters shouldn't sell disgusting heart attack hot dogs sitting on the heated rollers for 1 week, instead they should sell healthy lean tasty fresh hot dogs instead.


instead of selling popcorn with grease and fake chemicals, they should sell FRESH healthy REAL popcorn with REAL butter.

Good riddens. Nobody should be drinking that oversized crap anyway.

The Empire State or the Emperors State.

Everyone complained when Buy a Term Bloomberg banned smoking. But it went through.

Unfortunately this "ban" will go through as well. Why? Because of the people out there who feel that the American Citizen is completely incapable of making their own decisions. What I choose to purchase in a free market should be my own decision. Don't tell me what I can buy, when I can buy it and how much I can buy. It's as simple as that.

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with protecting the "people". This has EVERYTHING to do with lowering insurance companies costs of operation. The less so called "fat" people insurance companies have to pay out for the better in their eyes.

I'm getting terribly sick and tired of this crap. First off, Mayor Bloomberg is only the Mayor of New York City.. not the mayor of the entire frigging state. And yet the problem is, once this power hungry idiot spews an idea, every other area in NY seems to follow.

The government needs to STOP telling me how to live my life. Every day it seems this country is falling further and further away from what it used to be. And I for one am sick of it.

reply to post by neo96


You must be a fatty or have alot of fat relatives. I'm sorry about that but you fat people consuming less soda is a good thing, when you drop 15lbs you'll be thanking Bloomberg. Trust me you'll feel alot better after you lose the weight and the money society on the whole will save in healthcare costs treating fat people will be well worth it in the end.

I'm not usually a big fan of nanny states, but in this case you've allready shown your lack of responsability by getting so fat to begin with. So since you can't be bothered to work out and take better care of yourself you force the government to do it for you.

This is ridiculous!

Are we free or not? Do we own our bodies or not?

Just wait until government healthcare is in place!

I've said it before I'll say it again ...

These control freak politicians won't be satisfied until they can dictate every aspect of your life ...

... all for the greater good of course

Just wait they will be telling you what you can eat and when, dictating what medicines you MUST take or else, what your thermostat is set on, how many miles you are allowed to drive a week, how much water per month you get to use, etc etc etc.

It's coming this is just the beginning ...

I give it 10 years or so and you want be able to take a dump without some government controller knowing about it. Oh and you get 2 sheets of TP per dump. Good Luck

If they really want to make an impact, they should start banning HFCS for all of its deleterious effects on the body. Sodas are just the tip of the iceberg here. As if banning people from buying a larger size soda is going to magically reverse diabetes, obesity, etc.
Psshawww

Hold on now
How are the people whom are constantly screaming states rights, now upset that a state is doing what they think is in the best interest of their citizens?

Sure, complain about a soda ruling in new york, but say nothing about dry countys...because, you know...thats their right.

hey, shaddup you damn anarchists! You want your tax dollars to go support a overburdened healthcare system in your state due to all the diabetes? Ya..didn't think so.

People are generally retarded...no, they won't stop..they will keep going and going until they pop or run out...this is states rights.

SfX - Laughing at the inconsistency.

Thought I would point this out. Is this ban simply unconstitutional? Is it a violation of your 10 Amendment rights?

Powers granted to the Federal Government. I give you the Commerce clause.

Article 1 sec. 8. para. 3.

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

Separation of powers act.
10th Amendment.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I would point out that the state of New York does not have the constitutional authority to tell 7-11 what it can sell or define those sizes. As long as the product is coming from out of state their regulations would be unconstitutional.

Those are federal powers.

I'm not usually a big fan of nanny states, but in this case you've allready shown your lack of responsability by getting so fat to begin with. So since you can't be bothered to work out and take better care of yourself you force the government to do it for you.

New York doesn't top the list for fattest states. Not even in the top 10. Also, you are jumping to a lot of conclusions, and rudely so, about someone's weight. Lighten up Francis.

Ok.. how about they impose age limits to buying huge cokes?

You could be carded at 7-11 when you try to by that 52 ounce soda.