Kansas pastor calls on U.S. government to kill LGBT people

Originally posted by TheXoor
This pastor is a nut-job.

Even so, I bet this kind of story brings great but secret joy to many in the "LGBT Community." Because it makes them feel like threatened victims. Some lunatic making totally unrealistic threats is nothing for anyone to fear, but you can be sure many are secretly delighted, hunkering down in that warm inner feeling of victimhood-without-true-threat. Oooh, ooooh, I'm an oppressed minority, bask in the glory of my victimhood! See all the scary people who want to hurt me! Must be positively warm and fuzzy for all those LGBT folks who cling to their identities as source of that special glow of victimhood.

Do you care to elaborate? Being a gay man in Los Angeles I really don't feel like a victim at all. Actually I feel slightly priveleged to belong to such a community of people. I'm not sure why you're trying to paint all homosexuals as people that feel victimized. I suspect you have never met a homosexual most of us are very strong people.

Perhaps you have been a victim to your own homosexuality and you are projecting that onto other homosexuals?

Actually the poor pastor is the victim. He has been brainwashed by his own religion. This is something I have experienced myself. I feel sorry for him. I lost my family because of religion.

Religious arguments quickly open the door to broad accusations and generalization of opinion on both sides of the coin. I am not a religious person. I have had my own run ins with religion and I choose to stay away from it. They are all the same when you get down to their fundamental tenets.

Whether or not this is reflective of all christians is not the point. The point is this is reflective of the bible. According to the bible this man would be a perfect prophet to spread the word of God.

Originally posted by dbloch7986
Actually the poor pastor is the victim. He has been brainwashed by his own religion. This is something I have experienced myself. I feel sorry for him. I lost my family because of religion.

And even if the pastor is a charlatan playing this for attention then members of his congregation are most certainly victims of his hateful rhetoric

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

Ever seen this one? It's shuts down the old testament types pretty quickly.

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Best post ever! I'm always amused at the hypocrisy exhibited by the various faiths, but you've added just the right amount of poetry to make it evident and intellectually available to everyone. Kudos!

Originally posted by detachedindividual
As a gay male living in the UK, I have never met a practicing Christian who treated me with respect or equality. Every single practicing Christian I have ever met has been pretty hateful, judgmental, has a superiority complex, is closed-minded and arrogant in the extreme - "we are right, you are wrong, and you'll burn in hell for being gay - but I love you. Because I have to."

Exactly my friend. I have experienced the same holier than thou attitude but not only from christians. Some people tend to think that heterosexuals or the heterosexual lifestyle is superior to the homosexual lifestyle somehow. I don't find myself feeling superior to anyone. I do feel priveleged to be living in such a large progressive community as Los Angeles because it is easy to find people who accept you for who you are.

It is not so easy in the heartland of the US or in other countries because most people are still under the impression that homosexuality is a choice.

Originally posted by Mkoll

Originally posted by dbloch7986
Actually the poor pastor is the victim. He has been brainwashed by his own religion. This is something I have experienced myself. I feel sorry for him. I lost my family because of religion.

And even if the pastor is a charlatan playing this for attention then members of his congregation are most certainly victims of his hateful rhetoric

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As is the case with most religions and religious organizations.

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Originally posted by dbloch7986
Do you care to elaborate? Being a gay man in Los Angeles I really don't feel like a victim at all. Actually I feel slightly priveleged to belong to such a community of people. I'm not sure why you're trying to paint all homosexuals as people that feel victimized. I suspect you have never met a homosexual most of us are very strong people.

Perhaps you have been a victim to your own homosexuality and you are projecting that onto other homosexuals?

Actually the poor pastor is the victim. He has been brainwashed by his own religion. This is something I have experienced myself. I feel sorry for him. I lost my family because of religion.

I feel like he was equating homosexuality with masochism! Sounds like he's been hangin' around craigslist for way too long

He wants the Government to kill all those people. As if the Government were not made up of humans like his neighbors and congregants. So we'd have deliberately organized an army of jackbooted thugs to beat up and kill gay men and women. As if engaging in that slaughter of civilians wouldn't have an effect on the government employees who did the dirty work.

And then we'd discover .... America would then have a shortage of interior decorators, florists, hair stylists, dress designers, ballet dancers, etc. Women's golf would have lower its standards, Wimbledon would take forever to finish a tournament, the US could not gather a team for the Olympics in men's synchronized swimming, etc.

Originally posted by Liquesence
reply to post by babybunnies

 

Because he's not directly and imminently inciting violence of a clear and present danger (which he isn't), he's just expressing a disgusting belief of what "should" happen, which is his right.. So says the Supreme Court.

I wonder, would the same apply if he were Muslim?

In fact, would fellow Americans accept that it's his right to say that if he were Muslim and speaking of Christians?

Would you really accept that too, or would you be calling for him to be arrested for hate speech and inciting violence?

There's a lot of double-standards in America (and in the UK) when it comes to religion. It's okay for a radical Christian nut case to scream about killing people, but if he's a Muslim he's called a terrorist and locked up. Even though he's "just" saying what he thinks the government should do to gay people, if he were Muslim and he ere calling for the government to slaughter Christians there would be national outrage.

But it's okay, he's Christian, and he's calling for the murder of gay people - that's alright!

reply to post by draco49


I wish I could take credit for it, but it's beeb floating around the net for years. Sometimes it's to Jerry Fallwell or Pat Robertson, and even once to George W.

Exodus and Leviticus are the achillies heel of bible worshippers, so most just ignore them.

Originally posted by Shoonra
And then we'd discover .... America would then have a shortage of interior decorators, florists, hair stylists, dress designers, ballet dancers, etc. Women's golf would have lower its standards, Wimbledon would take forever to finish a tournament, the US could not gather a team for the Olympics in men's synchronized swimming, etc.

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Not to mention the sudden loss of thousands of writers, artists, teachers, paramedics, firefighters, military, police, doctors, lawyers (okay, we could all do with fewer lawyers).

I know you were being humorous, but I just wanted to point out that just because a person is gay does not mean their career choice or talents are limited. WE ARE EVERYWHERE!

I am a writer, an artist, was a security professional for fifteen years, and now self-employed. I wouldn't know the first thing about hair styling (really, you should see me lol) or interiors, and I could not tell you the running order of the soundtrack for Cabaret or the Sound of Music. I could tell you plenty about Metallica, and how to disable a man with your thumb though

Originally posted by crimsongod21
wow, people really are making me and all my fellow Kansas look like bigoted A-holes!

I am really tired of it. Can we please just shut up all the bigoted, racist idiots that populate this state? As if it wasn't bad enough having Mr. Phelps here now we get this jackoff too god help us all.... ugh

Don't be like that...I think people had that view well before this pastor came out and said what he did. You use the word jackoff? Need I say more.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by Shoonra
And then we'd discover .... America would then have a shortage of interior decorators, florists, hair stylists, dress designers, ballet dancers, etc. Women's golf would have lower its standards, Wimbledon would take forever to finish a tournament, the US could not gather a team for the Olympics in men's synchronized swimming, etc.

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Not to mention the sudden loss of thousands of writers, artists, teachers, paramedics, firefighters, military, police, doctors, lawyers (okay, we could all do with fewer lawyers).

I know you were being humorous, but I just wanted to point out that just because a person is gay does not mean their career choice or talents are limited. WE ARE EVERYWHERE!

I am a writer, an artist, was a security professional for fifteen years, and now self-employed. I wouldn't know the first thing about hair styling (really, you should see me lol) or interiors, and I could not tell you the running order of the soundtrack for Cabaret or the Sound of Music. I could tell you plenty about Metallica, and how to disable a man with your thumb though

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I have no artistic inclination at all.

I'm an accountant, strictly math and numbers

Originally posted by dbloch7986
ets.

Whether or not this is reflective of all christians is not the point. The point is this is reflective of the bible. According to the bible this man would be a perfect prophet to spread the word of God.

I think this is reflective of his interpretation of the bible. Jesus never advocated killing anyone or hating anyone. True followers of Christ are supposed to demonstrate love to all. It is so simple really- Jesus told us to do two things- love God and love your neighbor. What this pastor preaches accomplishes neither.

Originally posted by lobotomizemecapin
Yes let the religious show themselves for what they truly are. This is how the god of your bible wants you to behave toward your fellow man.

Quite right, Christians should not follow Hebrew scriptures.
Were all the gays killed in Isreal or did they just fake their faith?

reply to post by longjohnbritches


Religion, in all its forms is fatally flawed. Each religion professes to be the only "true" religion, with the caveat that followers of every other faith are wrong, and doomed to spend eternity in hell. So it makes no sense to even bother comparing the merits of one against the other.

I much prefer to live a life guided by rational thought and a personal, spiritual connection that is unencumbered by the dogma and restrictive guidelines of any organized faith. God gave us incredible abilities of thought and reason, and the churches of the world have consistently worked to separate us from that ability. Lose the church, lose the indoctrinated dogma and restrictions, free yourself from the filters put in place by these organized establishments of control, and allow yourself to experience the consciousness and spirituality that feels right to you.

This is propaganda. No real christian would ever advocate murder. More and more propaganda appearing left and right.

Originally posted by micmerci

Originally posted by dbloch7986
ets.

Whether or not this is reflective of all christians is not the point. The point is this is reflective of the bible. According to the bible this man would be a perfect prophet to spread the word of God.

I think this is reflective of his interpretation of the bible. Jesus never advocated killing anyone or hating anyone. True followers of Christ are supposed to demonstrate love to all. It is so simple really- Jesus told us to do two things- love God and love your neighbor. What this pastor preaches accomplishes neither.

Those are some things that are in the bible. There are a lot of brutal things in the bible too. That can't be denied. "Being a good tolerant christian" seems to consist of nit picking the good things out of the bible and not acknowledging the bad. All this guy did was acknowledge the intolerant and bad parts of the bible.

Kill them all! Lynch them!

Oh, wait, what? Were not talking about our own government?

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reply to post by dbloch7986


Being a good tolerant Christian consists in following the teachings of Christ (hence the name), and not a law that was directed to ancient Jews. There are alot of things in the Old Testament that applied to the people of that time. When Jesus came, He showed the impossibility of following that law to the letter and introduced grace. The result of the law is death but the result of grace is life.

All Christians do not think alike, so please do not paint us with such a broad brush. I suspect you know how it feels to be stereotyped?