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Originally posted by Infrasilent
Left and right are essentially unproductive slurs used to generalize beliefs. The paradigm allows the populace to be easily divided into equal and (supposedly) opposite camps such that entrenchment of illogical ideology feeds back upon itself and effective policies can no longer be implemented by either side. The result is our current political climate, where money is the only true motivator because all other positions are deadlocked against their counterparts.
I should add that extreme left and extreme right are essentially indistinguishable.
On most political spectrum charts, you'll find fascism at the extreme right end and communism on the extreme left. I challenge anyone to find a meaningful difference in their historical implementation. Totalitarianism is the outcome on either side of the aisle.
Originally posted by Kali74
The ideologies aren't an illusion not on a personal level and not in society. In government and politics it is absolutely an illusion. On the politics and government level it's become theater, actors taking on a role. Maybe not ALL of them but so much that one can truly say it doesn't matter if you vote democrat or republican.
From our most recent history, post 9/11, what has changed in our government, in the policies enacted by our officials? Security, that's it really. Every single other issue, from social issues to economic to environmental...have gone no where, even when the People have an overwhelming consensus on an issue...nothing happens. Sure we've had issues gain or lose ground then a few months later back to nothing.
When is the last time a republican actually introduced legislation to shrink the government or told government to get out of everyone's business or voted to lower taxes on the middle class? When is the last time a democrat introduced legislation to protect workers rights or bring an environmental offender to justice or protected our tax dollars from going to private industry?
Originally posted by SaturnFX
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Abortion, gay marriage, religion...All of these are a pitance in comparison to your REAL problems as Americans, and current members of a global economy. Actually any nation on earth feels these same issues; just in varying degrees of severity.
Its not important to you...you may not see it as a problem
I however may see civil rights and definition of life a major epic problem that outweighs todays fiscal issues or other concerns.
Who are you to judge what is more or less important based on your personal perspective?
Tomorrow we will pay our late bills, and babies will still be murdered without care, or someone may define your body as not your own to choose should some cells be replicating (depends on how your views are).
So, how is bills trumping potential loss of liberty with your own body (or murdering unborn..perspective)?
That is perhaps the weakest argument out there....these issues don't matter because there are more important things...more important to who?
Economics will always be rising and falling for every civilization throughout time...but once you deal with civil rights, with personal liberties, it resolves it for (theoretically) all time...to me, that is a greater issue than something that will never, ever go away.
Originally posted by miniatus
the right and left are mostly an illusion in that they've both drifted to a point that they are extremely similar.. the old school republicans are NOTHING like what they used to be.. the old school democrats are the same way..
Most republicans these days are anything but conservative, nor are they proponents of small government.. they should form a new party called Republicratsedit on 5/31/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)
An issue EVERYBODY gets mad about and
NOBODY can agree on!"
from Illuminati-Mutal Assured Distraction Set/Steve Jackson
In Wednesday's blog, titled "Holy Smokes," Turner said it is "unfortunate" that he was suspended from the federal Conservative caucus, but added that it's more important to look after his constituents than "heed" his party.