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Dark Side of the Hippies

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:04 AM
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I think most people know by now that the '60s counterculture was not all the "peace love and understanding" it was projected as being, but the dark side goes much deeper and connects to the same puppet masters that continue to direct social trends and public opinion today.

This article link is to the first in a long series of articles that can be accessed either through the Signs of the Times or the author's website. I strongly suggest everyone read them all. They are fascinating, well researched and very well written and entertaining.

155794-Inside-The-LC-The-Strange-but-Mostly-True-Story-of-Laurel-Canyon-and-the-Birth-of-the-Hippie-Generation-Part-1




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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Herbert Marcuse, the man who coined the phrase "Make love, not war" was a leading intellectual behind the hippy power movement of the 1960s.

The Origins of Political Correctness

He was also a cultural marxist who was a member of the Communist Frankfurt School dedicated to destroying Western civilisation from the inside.


Where does all this stuff - the victim feminism, the gay rights movement, the rewritten history, the demands – where does it come from?

We call it “Political Correctness.

If we look at it analytically, if we look at it historically, we quickly find out exactly what it is.

Political Correctness is cultural Marxism.

It is Marxism translated from economic into cultural terms.

In classical economic Marxism certain groups, i.e. workers and peasants, are a priori good, and other groups, i.e., the bourgeoisie and capital owners, are evil.

In the cultural Marxism of Political Correctness certain groups are good – feminist women, (only feminist women, non-feminist women are deemed not to exist) blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals.

These groups are determined to be “victims,” and therefore automatically good regardless of what any of them do. Similarly, white males are determined automatically to be evil, thereby becoming the equivalent of the bourgeoisie in economic Marxism.

The Origins of Political Correctness





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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Your link doesn't work. By the way, you do realize that 1960s counter-culture did not have a single unifying philosophy or agenda. Some people were motivated largely by politics, others were on a spiritual quest. Some became junkies, others got their act together and became scientists or stock brokers.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:29 AM
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Excellent points there, and another good link-- thank you ! I was a little too young to fall into the whole '60s mindset and much of it really gave me the creeps. The Laurel Canyon articles connected some dots, as they say, and confirmed a bit of what I'd long suspected.

Hopefully this thread will shed some light on the subject and raise awareness of how public opinion is manipulated through popular media. Your post was a great contribution !



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:31 AM
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Oops. Does this one work ?

www.davesweb.cnchost.com...



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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Of course there was no single driving force. I do understand that. It was a complicated time, and no major social trend ever has a single cause or direction. This thread is just about one of them.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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the 60s movement was about peace and ending war, that's really it. you may find individuals who joined it for their own agenda but that doesn't make it about them. they just didn't want to see any more killing.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Oops. Does this one work ?

www.davesweb.cnchost.com...


Yep.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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I put the Signs of the Times link in because it had the photos that the other site didn't have. I don't quite understand the feud between ATS and Signs of the Times, and I'll respect the moderators' choice to censor. But what I will say to other ATS readers is that, whatever the underlying dispute is between the sites, in my experience BOTH sites have been generally very good and fairminded in their approaches on most subjects. Signs of the Times is not a wacko site, and neither is ATS.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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The time period we are referring to was only for the last half of the 60s though and primarily 67-69. The music from the 70s was much better, on a whole.

What the bands during the so called "hippy movement" had going for them was being the first out of the gate so all ideas were new and easy to come by. Then again, we would have never heard from these bands if it were not for new technology. This was when amplifiers were being perfected, effects, guitars etc. If you really think about it someone wrote the music but without fender, gibson, mashall, vox, etc. none if it would have ever happened.

The article referred in op is kind of interesting, read it many years ago, but is mainly fantasy.


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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 05:16 PM
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My cow! I just spent ten hours reading through all seventeen installments of this. I always knew there was something malevolent about LA rock. Sex, Drugs, Rock&Roll, and Death. I think it must have all been a massive MK-ULTRA experiment, like we're all lab rats. This was an excellent find! Thank you, OP.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:35 PM
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Thank you so much for that, you really made my day. It seems you also had the same uneasy sense about the '60s counterculture I had, and the same reaction to reading those articles.

It sure answers a lot of questions that have been bugging me for a long time. How was it that a supposedly "anti-establishment" subculture managed to have the benevolent support of the corporate media establishment ? How did they get away with so much that they could have been imprisoned for and today's protestors are getting abused and persecuted for far, far less ? There's plenty of real musical talent around these days- why no major label record contracts and music festivals promoting real protests now ? All the old hippie cultural icons from the 60s who haven't overdosed yet ought to be stepping up to the plate now, but they aren't.

I don't intend this to be a diatribe against an entire generation. I've known quite a few hippie types who are genuinely principled and these days they're furious with the hypocrisy of many of their peers and their former cultural heroes.

Again, thanks so much for your comments.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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The fact that so many of the musicians had familial ties to naval intelligence and elite circles is a big ol red flag. Genuine war protesters and peaceniks never had a clue. What do we not have a clue about in these times?

I read this a while ago and wish he would finish it!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Pilot
The fact that so many of the musicians had familial ties to naval intelligence and elite circles is a big ol red flag. Genuine war protesters and peaceniks never had a clue. What do we not have a clue about in these times?

I read this a while ago and wish he would finish it!


Given the times it may not be so out of the ordinary. The Jim Morrison stuff is really interesting, considering i have been a fan of The Doors music for so many years, but having seen many interviews...Jim was the real deal. Morrison Hotel was / is a masterpiece and his voice only got better, imo, on the last album -

Land Ho

Grandma loved a sailor who sailed the frozen sea.
Grandpa was that whaler and he took me on his knee.
He said "Son I'm going crazy from living on the land
Got to find my shipmates and walk in foreign sands."

This old man was graceful with silver in his smile.
He smoked a briar pipe and he walked four country miles
Singing songs of shady sisters and old town liberty
Songs of love and songs of death, songs that set men free...hey

I've got three ships and sixty men
A course for ports unread.
I'll stand at mast, let North winds blow
Till half of us are dead.

Land Ho!

Well if I get my hands on a dollar bill
Gonna buy a bottle and drink my fill.
If I get my hands on a number five
If I get my hands on a number two
Come back home and marry you
Marry you, marry you. allright!

Eeeeeeeeeey Land Ho!, Eeeeeeeey Land Ho!

Well If I get back home and I feel all right
You know baby gonna love you tonight
Love you right, love you right

aaaaayyyy land ho...aaaaayyyyy land ho

Follow me down-

Written by Robbie Kreiger, Jim hated this song (what i read) because of the line get your guns. but i love the song-

"...cant you see the wonder at your feet, your lifes complete.

tell all the people that you see its just me...Follow me down." wow, that is great writing. Maybe that wold get certain people nervous because its spiritual, but i dont think he got a hot shot just because of the supernatural aspect. It's just art.

Waiting for the sun-

"This is the strangest life i've ever known."

It's all in the delivery. Morrison was one in a million, there will never be another Jim Morrison, even live footage and recordings Jim nailed it.

Peace Frog - Robbie Kreiger, funky riff then the drums, bass and Ray come in. Blew me away and still does. It's perfect.

I love Jim...Malcher salute you, wherever you are. Great band, great band. So yeah, Robbie Kreiger was overshadowed by Jims voice but he could play that guitar...he may not be like Hendrix or Duanne Allman, just a different type and perfect for the type of sound...but good riffs all the same...he could lay it down. Well, i know i couldnt write that stuff in a thousand lifetimes.

That said, i dont know where "touch me" came from. Real top 40 / big band sound. Jim must have been channeling on that one.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by seaside sky
reply to post by Lazarus Short
 


Thank you so much for that, you really made my day. It seems you also had the same uneasy sense about the '60s counterculture I had, and the same reaction to reading those articles.

It sure answers a lot of questions that have been bugging me for a long time. How was it that a supposedly "anti-establishment" subculture managed to have the benevolent support of the corporate media establishment ? How did they get away with so much that they could have been imprisoned for and today's protestors are getting abused and persecuted for far, far less ? There's plenty of real musical talent around these days- why no major label record contracts and music festivals promoting real protests now ? All the old hippie cultural icons from the 60s who haven't overdosed yet ought to be stepping up to the plate now, but they aren't.

I don't intend this to be a diatribe against an entire generation. I've known quite a few hippie types who are genuinely principled and these days they're furious with the hypocrisy of many of their peers and their former cultural heroes.

Again, thanks so much for your comments.


We are maybe a little less free but people take things too literally today. I was just listening to Iron Maiden and they were from the 80's, ever hear of the misfits?

I learned at an early age...hell, after reading Dostoyevski (sp) at 14 or so "crime and punishment" because right then i appreciated the writing, great writer he was, but didnt agree with the main character (i dont have to agree with it, it's fantasy) but in the end he wanted to pt out a good book and not some dime store novel. After all, he was in a gulag and coming from a different place. Did he not achieve some immortality? And after all, what else is there?...Exegi Monumentum...

I dont care for politics in music but then i listen to the clash and they were political and i have no problem with it. if that is what is written in music or some book...so i dont see it as anything far fetched.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Ah, that's possibly what the start of the movement was. Like almost any movement out there, things get subverted by periphery groups.



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
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Ah, that's possibly what the start of the movement was. Like almost any movement out there, things get subverted by periphery groups.


indeed they do, just look at government and corporate America.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 12:53 AM
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Whooops, I sorry about going overboard with those posts. Had a party at my house and had one too many. When it broke up i came online and was posting like I was still at the party. I crashed right after. Should have known better. That said, the OP topic came up here a month or so ago.



posted on Jun, 1 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Hey Malcher, I hesitate to tell you this but [nyuk, nyuk] I'm going to tell you anyway. Many years ago I was also a big time fan of the Doors, and several other bands, including Blue Oyster Cult. After I became a Christian, I found I didn't like the music anymore, so I took all that hard rock, slipped each LP out of its slipcase, and ran a sharp awl across the grooves. Yes, even my nearly-complete Doors collection, including the post-Morrison albums. I even destroyed a serial-numbered White Album, and a copy of that Rolling Stones album with the 3D cover (you know the one). A copy of Jim Morrison's book, The Lords and the New Creatures fared better, as I gave it to a friend. No regrets, but lately I have been shocked on listening again to some of that music on EweToob, that Blue Oyster Cult was really not a very good band, but the Door were.



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