Originally posted by METACOMET
Originally posted by ANOK
And what is the communist agenda? Can you explain it all for us please?
I'll take a shot at that...
The desire to plan the lives of others coupled with a monopoly on the force necessary to impose that plan on unwilling subjects, put into the hands of
a centralized bureaucracy of self serving busybodies, all for the good of society?
How'd I do?
Where do you get that from? That is not communism. Sounds like someones propaganda.
In fact that is a pretty accurate description of the system we have now in the US and most of the rest of the world.
Capitalist have a monopoly on the force to impose their plans on the rest of us due to their economic power, supported by a centralized bureaucracy of
self serving busybodies, all for the good of a minority privileged class of private owners.
You seem to think actions of someone self labeled is the definition of that label. If I were to call myself a Christian, and openly worship the
devil, would you then consider Christianity devil worship? Of course you wouldn't because you know better, so neither should you think communism is
defined by the actions of those who claimed to have been communist but practiced something completely different.
There have been no true communists countries, they were all called communist for political reasons, not because the term described their economic
systems. Russia, North Korea, China etc., are about as far from communism as they could be. Their economies were a mixture of nationalism, and
capitalism with totalitarian states.
Communism and socialism are economic systems just like capitalism, not political systems. Anarchists are traditionally socialist, or communist. How
can that be if they both were political systems?
"Anarchism is stateless socialism", Mikhail Bakunin
No socialist, or communist, wants what you are claiming. If they do they are either confused to lying.
Socialism is divided into three main trends: reformism, anarchism and Marxism.
Socialism being the common/worker ownership of the means of production. The main difference between Marxism and anarchism is the path to free
association. Marxism being a political route, and anarchism being the direct action route. Marxists believe a transitional period is necessary, of
nationalism with a revolutionary worker controlled government in order to increase production. The dictatorship of the proletariat.
It was a temporary period that would lead to communism. Anarchist thought that unnecessary and wanted immediate change to socialism, and eventually
All left wing ideologies want the same thing, free association of producers...
In the anarchist, Marxist and socialist sense, free association (also called free association of producers or, as Marx often called it, community
of freely associated individuals) is a kind of relation between individuals where there is no state, social class or authority, in a society that
has abolished the private property of means of production. Once private property is abolished, individuals are no longer deprived of access to
means of production so they can freely associate themselves (without social constraint) to produce and reproduce their own conditions of existence and
fulfill their needs and desires.
The capitalist class has had the power since it replaced feudalism, and has done all it can to demonize the true left, and create a pseudo-left in
government that is really just a more liberal right. Neither the establishment of east, nor the west, wanted worker ownership, and both appropriated
left-wing terms to propagandize the people.