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reply to post by NOTurTypical
One of the prophecies mentioned in the New Testament is a quote from a book not in the Bible. Not looking it up right now. Something in
reply to post by jhill76
Well, some of it was plain historical documentation, not that there was all that much to live by. Acts comes to mind, not a lot of direct education or
rules, but is there to document the first generation of Christianity, in Jerusalem, and the missionary trips of Paul. The big thing that comes from
is is that Greek (Gentiles, Non-Jewish) Christians are accepted, but are not forced to follow OT laws that Christ did not directly command, besides
abstaining from eating meat sacrificed to Idols--even that's expounded on under Paul. More than 1/2 the Old Testament is just historical dialogue,
not a lot pertaining to laws or commands. The big reason not to ignore these? Evidence of cultural influences on commands. Evidence of people that
we're still trying to find, archaeologically (few, now). (Hittites, for a long time, were doubted to exist, when in the book of Joshua they were
described at least as a bunch of city-states bound together. At most? Ran more like Egypt.)
As for other books? Some are social commentary, warning about another round of captivity. Get a hold of a Bible in Chronological order, as best they
can tell, and it starts to make more sense.
But in the New Testament:
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you
the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in
This is Christ speaking directly to Peter, and possibly, by extension, to the whole of Apostles. 19b should read: "whatever you bind
on earth has been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth has been loosed in heaven." Tense is wrong in English. It's not Peter that
makes the law, but that the Law already set comes out of him. If we take Christ's word as Authoritative, from Him, then by this, we have to accept
So, if we accept Peter:
2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he
does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and
unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.
Peter vouches for Paul, through the authority given to him by
This isn't the only way to "establish authority" in the scriptures. The other route is by whom has the power over miracles. That takes much
longer to wrangle out. Which makes some sense. Someone who is obviously dead, who comes back to life of his own accord has the power to dictate your
life to you, and it's kind of silly to stand against that, if and when it's true. Someone who makes water heave up from the earth is not someone
you have the power to cross. I'm not talking about levitation, or claiming a prayer healed your cold virus, some 2 weeks later. I'm talking about
being dead so long that your blood separates into layers, and you get up and walk after that. If this is real, you can't touch it.
And this just covers some of internal authority.