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Originally posted by CynicalDrivel
reply to post by MamaJ
Even as a "Creationist" I'm not lacking in awareness that scientifically, this world will eventually end, as will this Universe. If reincarnation deals with living again and again in a dying body, eventually it's going to be well worth a change of pace for an incorruptible one what will not face the end of all existence. Even with reincarnation, there's no such thing as forever, when subjugated to how this reality works.
Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by FortAnthem
Sure, I read that the Catholic and Orthodox churches keep the books in the Bible.
If I may ask somebody from those faiths, in what form are they kept?
Are they between the Testaments (which is apparently where Luther put them in his translations, but I'm not quite sure), or somehow spread amongst the other chapters?
But then again Luther supposedly also wanted to do away with the book of Revelations at a stage.
It must have been hellish to translate, one can imagine.
Despite some sects, the main church in England kept the books however, and when they were removed in 1885 I'm not sure what specific anti-Catholic sentiment or war existed at the time to make their removal specifically "anti-Catholic"?
I'm not saying it wasn't so, I'm just wondering why at that time?
And why did it then also happen to German Lutherans and so forth?
We're told these societies removed it all of a sudden, but not really why.
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
TextSome one else decided to change his version again for their own reasons....It comes down to greed and control. So there is your answer. Is it a disgrace? I suppose, but it's nothing new. The bible has been changed, altered and had parts left out or even added, for centuries....
Tobit (Tobias). The account of a pious Jew of the tribe of Naphtali who is deported to Nineveh and who becomes blinded by having bird’s dung fall in both of his eyes. He sends his son, Tobias, to Media to collect a debt, and Tobias is led by an angel, impersonating a human, to Ecbatana (Rages). En route he acquires the heart, liver, and gall of a fish. He encounters a widow who, though married seven times, remains a virgin because of each husband’s having been killed on the marriage night by Asmodeus, the evil spirit. Encouraged by the angel, Tobias marries the widowed virgin, and by burning the fish’s heart and liver, he drives away the demon. Upon returning home he restores his father’s sight by use of the gall of the fish. The story was probably written originally in Aramaic and is estimated to be of about the third century B.C.E. It is obviously not inspired by God because of the superstition and error found in the narrative. Among the inaccuracies it contains is this: The account states that in his youth Tobit saw the revolt of the northern tribes, which occurred in 997 B.C.E. after Solomon’s death (Tobit 1:4, 5, JB), also that he was later deported to Nineveh with the tribe of Naphtali, in 740 B.C.E. (Tobias 1:11-13, Dy) That would mean that he lived more than 257 years. Yet Tobias 14:1-3 (Dy) says he was 102 years old at the time of his death.
reply to post by halfoldman
TextI mean that's all very fable-like. If fables make bad scripture, I'd have thought they would take out Balaam and the talking donkey (Numbers 22:28), or perhaps the Ark with all the animals.
reply to post by putnamcrab
TextOkay! Anyone got a pre1885 bible? That should end this thread! or Keep it going in Factual Knowledge!
"The theory of reincarnation is recorded in the Bible. But the proper interpretations were struck from it during an Ecumenical Council meeting of the Catholic Church in Constantinople sometime around 553 A.D, called the Council of Nicea. The Council members voted to strike those teachings from the Bible in order to solidify Church control." [New York: Bantam Books, 1983, pp. 234-5.]
 And in that same place there was a great dragon, which they of Babylon worshipped.
 And the king said unto Daniel, Wilt thou also say that this is of brass? lo, he liveth, he eateth and drinketh; thou canst not say that he is no living god: therefore worship him.
 Then said Daniel unto the king, I will worship the Lord my God: for he is the living God.
 But give me leave, O king, and I shall slay this dragon without sword or staff. The king said, I give thee leave.
 Then Daniel took pitch, and fat, and hair, and did seethe them together, and made lumps thereof: this he put in the dragon's mouth, and so the dragon burst in sunder : and Daniel said, Lo, these are the gods ye worship.