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China condemns U.S. gun ownership as human rights violation

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:20 PM
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No, I am not any part of the "too big to fail" crowd. AHHHNNN the big buzzer just went off. I was Tea Party and AGAINST all the baillouts, including the auto, the stimulus, QE2. The auto baillout was part of the socialist plan to nationalize the auto industry and you can bet your booties I was against it. Let American car companies compete in real enterprise competition. But Obama bailed out the freaking UNIONS and the Unions are tools of communism. The Unions are the proletariat worker bees working the collectives while the Union bosses are the intermediary elites cracking the whip to make sure the proletariat do their jobs in opposition ot the petty bourgeoisie business owners.
And the Rothschilds sit right on top of the whole heap right now.

I have to go somewhere for a few hours but would be up for some genuine economic debate later on.


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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Progressives are NEITHER lazy nor atheist. Those are communist traits.

Just goes to show how little you understand the left-right paradigm.


Most progressives are either agnostic and/or spiritualists!
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SheopleNation
 


Can I give you a thousand stars for your post??? Oh well, in cyber land you get my thousand stars.


I appreciate your kind words my friend. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Seriously doubt "you and I probably agree on more things than we disagree"

I love facism and you love capitalism. Big difference, no?


Yep, I knew you would get all butt hurt. Oh well, whatever. Don't make the mistake of believing that I care about what you asume that I believe. Course, this is a discussion forum, so I will retort.

Facism the same as Capitalism? Well yeah they are very damn close, but different in many ways. Did you want to discuss The Third Reich's form of Facism, or todays form of it? Because if you're talking todays, it's much different than National Socialism.

To be honest, I prefer to stay away from the -ism- detour because it's set up for misled, easily fooled robots like yourself. You're young are you not Mr. Earth Citizen? You think you're some kind of Nazi? Let me tell you something my friend, I was once just like you.


Only facism exposes the multinational corps and the bilderberger bankers.


Yep, but they first use it to build up their own National Capitalism, which is basically what National Socialism was. It's not International Capitalism like what we see playing out today.


THAT is why hitler and mussolini lost the war.


Wrong. They lost the war because the International Bankers wanted it that way. The debt that Italy and Germany owed them was greater than those of the allies. The Allies had their debt as well, but the one with the largest balance always pays the price. I guess your Stormfront master didn't teach you that part of the story eh?


You keep living in your dellusional existance though and I will live in the real world. Too bad the american education system is a complete farce. It has already claimed lots and lots of victims!


Yes it has, but nothing is perfect. Without a doubt not a Government ran Public institution. I believe folks should educate themselves unless they need College for sports or to become a doctor ect. I bet your Nazi State sponsored schools would have turned out just perfect as time went on as well eh? = Delusional, useful tool.


You PRETEND to hate the status quo when in fact everything you preach is pro-elitism. How ironic is that?


What I find entertaining is how you make all of these assumptions without ever asking me my opinion on them. What I find equally amusing is that you're so brainwashed into believing that National Socialism is not pro-elitism?

Yuh know, What I always respected, and still do even to this day, about National Socialism was that everything was for the benefit of the State, and not Internationalized. The Nationalist stand point of it all was what always interested me. No, not the death camps or the part where you just report that your neighbor is a commie or jew, and then they are rounded up overnight. Maybe you like that kind of elitism though? I dunno, you tell me friend?

However, if you're foolish enough to believe that The Third Reich was not Capitalist, then you're a Historically un-educated know nothing. What do you think about that assumption? Yep, I got mine too.

~$heopleNation
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 08:16 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
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Progressives are NEITHER lazy nor atheist. Those are communist traits.


Well Hitler was not a Progressive, and if you did your homework, which you clearly have not done, you would already understand that. He just used The German Workers much like Obama uses the Union androids here today, or better said, fools like you. Hitler was in bed with Krup, Rothschild and various other international corporations, but don't let me spoil your bullcrap party with historical facts. I don't wanna do that.

Let me ask you this. Ever wonder why Hitler flew many Rothschild family members out of Germany to England? Think Mr Earth Citizen, think really hard.


Just goes to show how little you understand the left-right paradigm.


Oh ok my friend. Am I now expected to feel defeated by your reckless assumptions and condescending mindless garbble that you have tried to drop on many of us here today? Grab some wood there bub. If class is in session for anyone, it's you.



Most progressives are either agnostic and/or spiritualists!


What that has to do with this discussion is beyond me? Since you brought it up though, I am quite aware of the difference between an atheist and an agnostic. I grew up a protestant Christian, but now I am closer to an agnostic, but my god or gods are not of this world and I don't care to corrupt this thread with any of that discussion.

Let's stay on course here. Don't try to squirm your way out of this one. Oh my, You progressives are so high and mighty. We are all asleep and you guys have all the answers to the problems of this world now don't yuh? LMAO!

Let me give you my take on what a progressive is ok, here goes..................................

A progressive = A self righteous, high and mighty, condescending, I deserve more, and then even more after that, whiney little robot yes man slave of the Unions and whichever Government at the time, that is pretending to wipe their ass or give them a job, useful tool puppet.

Ok, Back to Red China, Hillary and the madman Obama trying to disarm us all now. ~$heopleNation
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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I am really glad that I'm not full of hate the way you are. Really you should consider getting some therapy, and I am not being comedic by saying this. You really do have some issues that need to be addressed, every single post of yours is nothing but hate.

Another member posted that they loved America and thought it was great and you called that selfish, yet you ended your post by saying you love Australia and basically said it is great. So why then are you not selfish, or is your love of your country considered patriotism?

As far as your statement saying that Australia is the one that defeated the Japanese in the Pacific, well was it the Australians that obliterated the Japanese combined fleet in Saigon? Was it the Australians that defeated the Japanese at Iwa Jima which should be noted was the strategic staging area for the assault on Tokyo?

As far as your repeated statements about the US getting out of the Pacific. I'm sorry does Australia own the entire Pacific? No they do not and I am really beginning to realize that you are a hate filled hypocrite and now I see why you referenced Hitler in a prior thread and said how he was so great and did so much for the German people, its because you share many of the same traits as that sociopath.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 09:06 PM
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There are immediate repercussions when mishandling or misusing a firearm. Every gun owner is aware of this to some extent.

The Chinese government does not have their priorities straight. For example, military personnel cannot be apprehended by police authorities.

Their system is flawed and their government is mad with power.

The United States is known to have one of the most dense civilian armament rates than any other nation. This is another form of independence and defense preparedness that other nations cannot match.

The Chinese have every right to criticize our second amendment right, as it is a preventative measure against foreign occupation. So please, do fear us.

We are aware. Awareness breeds responsibility.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by QQXXw
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again I am going to ask you and the rest of the "Go USA" crowd in this thread, how are your guns going to protect you against artillery or mortar rounds?




So I suppose you would prefer going against mortars and artillary with sticks and stones? Or perhaps try to fist fight your way out?

You obviously know nothing of military tactics do you? When I was in the Navy my team of 10 men would routinely neutralize enemy fireteams of 75 to 100 men armed with RPG's, light artillary, mortars, and IED's using nothing more than light machine guns, rifle fire, and 1 heavy machine gun.

Its called elude and suppression, you don't go after the artillary guns themselves you neutralize the ones firing the guns. Quite easy to do with a rifle, impossible with fists, stones, or bows and arrows.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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I think China wants to use international law to subvert our own domestic laws.

Everyone needs to be really careful about these international organizations. They are not for our benefit.

Europe is in a serious quagmire right now because they realize that they have given Brussels(EU) the right to make laws and subvert their own national law. There are groups in Britain right now fighting to be free from the European Union.

This is a threat from China. If the U.S happens to sign a treaty or joins an organization in the future we could lose our rights.

We are a member of the World Trade Orgnaization(WTO) and because of that we lose the ability to regulate our international trade to a certain extent. Membership deliberately limits the actions we can take regarding trade with other nations.

This is giving your nation's power over to an international organization. NOT A GOOD IDEA.

I think the illusion most people have is that the guns will be taken away in a day.

Not so. As with anything it will be done deliberately slow. It may take decades to erode our constitutional rights, but it will be done.

They have taken a deliberate step in that direction, no matter how long it takes.

They won't come banging on your door. The fight is in every law that is passed.

Each law builds more control onto the last law. The biggest propaganda is that they always tell you it is for your benefit and we buy it.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:00 PM
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Machine guns are not going to be in possession of civilians - again here is the denial and complete lack of understanding about the situation that most American sadly poses. Your navy experience was also about relevant as a paintball game.


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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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I wanna go douse myself in petro and light a match! LoL ! LMFAO! wtf does china have to say that means a crap other that their contribution to crappy fire works, combs and plastic goods!!! LoL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! F the world I kew is going , going..... gone! Oh #e im on the red or blue or purple list!!!!!!!!!!! LoL!!!!!!!!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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Actually as a civilian if you have the money and the inclination you can own a machine gun. It takes a 200 dollar transfer tax an EPIC background check permission from the local police chief fingerprints and a recent photo oh and 6 to 12 months of waiting and you too can own a legal machine gun in almost every state in the union.

As far as what can semi automatic rifles and shotguns do against mortars and artillery.... *grins* one hell of alot if you know what you're doing and are motivated enough.

The bottom line is the second amendment was made for a reason and it's one of the most important amendments of them all.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by QQXXw
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Machine guns are not going to be in possession of civilians - again here is the denial and complete lack of understanding about the situation that most American sadly poses. Your navy experience was also about relevant as a paintball game.


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Really? I am curious do you live in the US? You obviously have no idea of US gun laws.

I'm a civilian and have several full auto machine guns as well as destructive devices (flashbangs, explosives). Its called a class 3 FFL with tax certificate and anyone not prohibited by Gun Control Act or Brady Bill can legally own such guns with an appropriate license.

Oh, and plea se inform me how my 16 years as a Navy Special Warfare Operator is irrelevant? People like you are really laughable.

What I think is that you're irrelevant because you are talking out of the crack below your back, and every time you make a post you are showing showing your lack of knowledge.

BTW if you despise America so much you are more than free to stop using a site owned by an American and based out of America.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:25 PM
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I don't know if it was in response to the old saying "the pen is mightier than the sword" but Mao said "power comes from the end of a gun". And personally speaking, anytime a foe recommends I disarm..... I might be more likely to increase my gun ownership rather than lessen it! Anyone remember Red Dawn? lol If it weren't for the armed citizens of revolutionary times, we would still have a King from England!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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I appreciate a lot of what you said, but if you think we should eliminate all regulations and just start belching out poisonous gases and smoke and particulate matter just for the sake of making money, you are part of the problem. Regulations are necessary because a conscience is not necessarily a part of capitalistic action. You really don't think environmentally sound business practices are beneficial to our country? If it makes us less competitive, add tariffs to Chinese products to help offset our higher costs. Beijing has the worst air pollution in the world now. Ever seen news about it or video? Check it out. Seriously. They shut down many factories during their Olympics and it was still horrible. How about pics of early industrial Britain or America? Or read up on the health costs of those days with all the lung problems and toxic poisons in the food and water. I still find it hard to believe that people don't think we need clean industry. Or maybe you don't have children or grandchildren or family or friends with family you care about? Off the topic of or right to bear arms, which I fully support, but really.... get rid of regulations?????



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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The funny thing is most people who claim to be anti gun are so ignorant about guns and gun laws as to make their opinions laughable. Why again do we let people who know nothing about guns make up the rules those of us who do know something about guns have to live by? It really doesn't make any sense and should probably stop.

The other portion of people that claim to be anti gun though are the ones I really truly dislike. They are the Bill Cosby's and the Rosie O'donnels and the California legislatures of this world. They want to have guns or somehow benefit from others having guns to protect them but don't want YOU to have them.

for example:

Bill Cosby who is famously anti gun has a Concealed Carry Permit he just doesn't want YOU to be able to have one!
talk.baltimoresun.com...

Rosie O donnel hires armed bodyguards but Doesn't want your family to be protected by force of arms she supported the million moron.... errr mom march which wanted to do away with your right to protect your family though.
www.alphadogweb.com...

And finally we come to the Kalifornia legislature which has enacted some of the toughest and most nonsensical gun laws in teh country..... and then they promptly voted to EXCLUDE THEMSELVES FROM HAVING TO FOLLOW THEM..... YEs you read that right they want to take your guns but they're going to keep theirs thanks.
www.washingtontimes.com...

So this is how all the spokespeople for the anti gun campaigns really feel.... they like their guns just fine they just don't want YOU armed.

Oh and one more just for fun www.stentorian.com...

If you still believe the people at the top have anything but DISDAIN for you and your kind hearted ways that makes you feel that guns should be taken out of EVERYONES hands I don't know what to say.

This is not an ideal world and until that day comes where it becomes one I reserve the right to protect me and mine with lethal force if necessary.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Wow. How many lies can you spout in one day? You must have the world record or something close to that.

Some people say the nazis were communists, some say capitalist. Always badmouthing stuff on purpose or out of ignorance.

And if you think national socialism is so horrible it is because you REALLY lack a perspective of history. England, France, Spain and Portugal were always colonialists. Germany and Italy did nothing extraordinary.

Jews have been persecuted throughout the ages. In the russia the same thing, ie prognum. Do I hate them? Of course not, but you have to admit they do conspire to keep many good jobs for themselves and they hate to get their hands dirty.

As for the commies. What is there to admire about everything being public property and the state officially banning any form of spiritualism and/or religion. That is called atheism although some people did attend eastern orthodox churches.

There was a reason for germany, italy, japan to be aggressive. They were shut out of the markets and suffered great unemployment. Germany had lost world war 1 and wanted revenge. The reason they lost the war was because the ptb like political extremism, ie either capitalism or communism. It is the reason they bad mouth national socialism so much.

Again get a clue! You seem to act like a spoiled 13 year old girl with premenstrual syndrome.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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Considering the source, their opinion means nada. Plus are we to only allow those in control to have the guns? So that we have no way to protect ourselves from an over powered corrupt government?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by jaxnmarko
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I appreciate a lot of what you said, but if you think we should eliminate all regulations and just start belching out poisonous gases and smoke and particulate matter just for the sake of making money, you are part of the problem. Regulations are necessary because a conscience is not necessarily a part of capitalistic action. You really don't think environmentally sound business practices are beneficial to our country? If it makes us less competitive, add tariffs to Chinese products to help offset our higher costs. Beijing has the worst air pollution in the world now. Ever seen news about it or video? Check it out. Seriously. They shut down many factories during their Olympics and it was still horrible. How about pics of early industrial Britain or America? Or read up on the health costs of those days with all the lung problems and toxic poisons in the food and water. I still find it hard to believe that people don't think we need clean industry. Or maybe you don't have children or grandchildren or family or friends with family you care about? Off the topic of or right to bear arms, which I fully support, but really.... get rid of regulations?????


I am not for zero regulations, but in case you haven't noticed, the Progressives in this country have made it very difficult for businesses to operate here, while giving some kind of bizarre deference to China, and even in my post have I not pointed out the pollution that China creates? Why are the Progressives punishing us while giving China the green light? The only possible answer is because they can. It can be really difficult for some people to realize how much engineering has gone into all this, because China fell to Communism a long time ago, and TPTB have worked hard at bringing America to her knees to force her into the International Socialist plan for One World Domination. This is why there are so many top operatives working so hard at sabotaging everything which has been America's strengths.

I was listening to an ad on the radio today, and it was about a local land trust, and I realized the ad had every major buzzword from the UN Agenda 21 in it. These words are: public-private partnerships, NGO's, sustainable, stewardship and a few others which have sllipped my memory, but they are all directly from UN Agenda 21 as enivisioned to spread into local communities.

Why am I talking about this? Because it is the implementation of UN policies not voted on by Congress but being implemented right here in our local communities as if by osmosis. In short, it's the One World Govt running us without even the knowledge of most people.
Why don't I like the UN? It sounds all lovely and wonderful talking about sgtewardship of the land and so on, but it is really a Totalitarian centralized control of all the world's resources by some bureaucratic power mongers and they WILL ration your water supplies as well as everything else.
One thing these people understand about economics is the availability of resources and these people want to control all the resources. Do you think for mone minute they are doing it for your benefit? If you do think again.
But I digress. China signed the Kyoto Treaty and the US did not. The One World Govt has to punish us till we comply with that treaty. Meanwhile the Totalitarian Barack is working on a number of other treaties to force America to her knees.

But I would sure like to know what you think we should do for jobs? Surely we have enough baristas in the big cities. You want to keep the air pure but in the meantime we are supposed to buy cheap Chinese stuff. Isn't that just a tad bit hypocritical and short sighted?

Another thing I would like to point out in regard to China. China seems to have been getting the oil contracts and contracts for pipelines lately. Look at what happened when Barack decided to block the pipeline from Canada. Also China got oil contracts from Iraq after the fall of Saddam. Don't you ever even think about who is engineering this stuff and why?



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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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It looks like China may think twice about invading the USA with 90 guns per person per 100 people. I need to buy around 88 more guns to keep up with the Jones so to say.



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