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China condemns U.S. gun ownership as human rights violation

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus



The people who take the second amendment too seriously


What exactly is too seriously? That our Founding Fathers thought enough of it to put it in the Bill of Rights? That having guns and a militia was what allowed them to fight the Revolutoin and win? By the way, back around 2000, someone campaigning for 3rd district in my city told me that Democrats were trying to disarm the civilians and revise history to eliminate as much understanding of the Revolutionary War and why it was fought so that the younger generations won't understand how important and vital it was, and how vital the Constitution is. Next time you hear a politician whining about the Constitution just being a piece of paper, you better know they plan on robbing you of your Constitutional rights.


The democrats are almost as bad as the republicans, but you mistakeningly think republicans are super patriots when in fact they are the ones who constantly burn the midnight oil conjuring different ways of starting as many global conflicts as possible to enlarge the military-industrial complex, while at the same time eliminating as much of the welfare constructs as possible.

If you think the republicans care about the constitution more than democrats you are probably not paying attention because you let you're preconceived notions dictate what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

Not to mention too many commercial codes have been added, the meaning of freedom of speech has been bastardized to include campaign donations and the second amendment is a bit too archaic.

Again I support the right of people to bear arms, I just don't support militias and people encouraging one another to take arms against elected party officials. The proper way to change government is by a)freedom of individual speech as we are currently doing and b)voting come election time.




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:13 PM
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Isn't it amazing how democrats feel like anyone that doesn't agree with them is either stupid or a shill? Like it's not possible to come to any other opinion but theirs if you are an intelligent "right thinking" adult?

While I'm not a fan of the Right or the Left I do find it telling how the left seems to want to shout down, muzzle, or outright ban the voicing of opinions that contradict their party line.

It's a pretty glaring sign of how valid someone's arguments are when instead of responding point by point to what you have to say they instead tell you you have no right to say what you've just said.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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Without militias we wouldn't have this great nation to begin with.

With that said I find it telling that you seem to think I'm a republican.... this is not the case at all. I see nearly as much bad coming out of them as I do out of the left. The difference is republicans don't want to ban any mention of opinions that differ from their own. I will always side with the group who is intellectually honest enough to let their arguments stand on their own merits rather than legislating the other side's opinion out of existence.

IN addition as I've addressed in my previous posting the second amendment according to the supreme court exists specifically to guarantee access to militarily useful arms to the populace. This is not up for debate it's already been settled. They didn't do this because military armaments are fun or cool they did this because the citizenry are the ultimate check and balance of this great system they have put in place. Now I know the idea of any sort of armed revolution is less than palatable (the thought of an american civil war gives me nightmares too) but the founding fathers had extremely good reasons for the second amendment.

Honestly I dislike the term militia as it has been so tainted by hate groups masquerading as legitimate citizens militias. BUt I still feel they are valid and useful organizations if done right and operated in the spirit of the constitution. All negative connotations aside a militia is really just a mutual aid society with teeth. It's a way to connect with friends and neighbors.... What it's not is a way to threaten, bully or cajole concessions from an opposing side.


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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 





The problem is you don't understand at all what you attempt to criticise and end up misinforming people.


YOU should know about disinfo as you are doing it now. Currently, a key strategy of the Democrats now is to pretend that Barack is a centrist. It sounds to me like you are engaged with this type of rhetoric full speed ahead.
You ought to try studying the strategy of Fabian socialism to see exactly how it is being employed by the DSA within the Democrat Party. Next you can listen to the words of Lenin to see that he knew that Marxist principle is that socialism is a bridge to the more dramatic communism.
Next you can admit that Universal health care and Universal pre k are both socialist programs based on Marxist redistributionist theories.
You have given me no clues except your own little disinfo campaign. I truly feel sorry for people who believe that Utopian bull.

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Why would you have a problem with redistribution unless you are really that well off?

Why would you have a problem with universal healthcare unless you can afford to pay for out-of-bounds rising healthcare costs? Maybe you work for an HMO? Are you the type that makes videos telling people they will have to wait months to see a doctor for any reason, eventhough the emergency door is always open?

I honestly cannot comprehend people like you, unless you are paid to post propaganda for a PR firm or the DOD!



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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You are trying to pidgeonhole me into a stereotype.Yes, I am conservative, but leaning Libertarian and I don't care for RINOs who lean to the left. I am well aware of the Hegelian dialectic and "Managed conflict" described by Antony Sutton. I want more liberty and less Statism(either democrat or republican). I want free enterprise not monopoly capitalism.

What would you rather be doing? Working for a private business or a State run collective farm? I have read your posts over the months and you appear to lean toward Utopian ideals, and you may be sincere, but my view is Utopian ideals are naive at best.
Now, shall we discuss the World Council of Churches and the UN?

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by roguetechie
Isn't it amazing how democrats feel like anyone that doesn't agree with them is either stupid or a shill? Like it's not possible to come to any other opinion but theirs if you are an intelligent "right thinking" adult?

While I'm not a fan of the Right or the Left I do find it telling how the left seems to want to shout down, muzzle, or outright ban the voicing of opinions that contradict their party line.

It's a pretty glaring sign of how valid someone's arguments are when instead of responding point by point to what you have to say they instead tell you you have no right to say what you've just said.


I have no problem with freedom of speech. Why should I? It is the pinnacle of democracy.

Just because I disagree severly with some posters does not mean I want to shut them up.

Just do me a favor from now on and use the "reply to" or "quote" button so I don't get confused.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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I am of the belief that the day guns are no longer allowed in any nation, that will be the day all nations are forced to solve their problems using something that doesn't mandate the death of innocent people.

How about using brains and compassion instead of guns? Killing or wounding is quick, but converting an enemy to your cause (or coming to an understanding) works much better.

If you train a dog with a stick, beware the day you lose that stick...



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by EarthCitizen07
 


You are trying to pidgeonhole me into a stereotype.Yes, I am conservative, but leaning Libertarian and I don't care for RINOs who lean to the left. I am well aware of the Hegelian dialectic and "Managed conflict" described by Antony Sutton. I want more liberty and less Statism(either democrat or republican). I want free enterprise not monopoly capitalism.


Free enterprise is good but I don't think it should be controlling government....like it is now. Both liberals and progressives appreciate free enterprise, but unlike conservatives, want much more oversight so that government dictates the terms TO corporations.


What would you rather be doing? Working for a private business or a State run collective farm? I have read your posts over the months and you appear to lean toward Utopian ideals, and you may be sincere, but my view is Utopian ideals are naive at best.
Now, shall we discuss the World Council of Churches and the UN?

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I look down upon both capitalism and communism.

I favor social democracy aka mixed economy. Something like national socialism but without the intense racism and imperialism pushed by hitler. A little racism is ok though!

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
The democrats are almost as bad as the republicans, but you mistakeningly think republicans are super patriots when in fact they are the ones who constantly burn the midnight oil conjuring different ways of starting as many global conflicts as possible to enlarge the military-industrial complex, while at the same time eliminating as much of the welfare constructs as possible.


Actually, There is no difference whatsoever between them other than drumming up a few orchestrated domestic issues set up that way in order to keep the sheople squabbling with eachother while both parties take orders that are given to continue their Globalist agenda.

Here is what your beloved Democrat Obama has been doing,

- Waged war on Libya without congressional approval
- Started a covert, drone war in Yemen
- Escalated the proxy war in Somalia
- Escalated the CIA drone war in Pakistan
- Conducted military operations within Pakistan itself
- Will maintain a presence in Iraq even after "ending" war
- Sharply escalated the war in Afghanistan
- Secretly deployed US special forces to 75 countries
- Sold $30 billion of weapons to the dictatorship in Saudi Arabia
- Signed an agreement for 7 military bases in Colombia
- An agreement with Australia to deploy 2500 troops (Courtesy of SecretFace)

Wow, It sure looks like it's only the Republicans who are pushing the Military Industrial Complex eh? Maybe you should look into who was in office when our largest Wars were waged? No matter really, because both parties are controlled by the same masters of puppets.


If you think the republicans care about the constitution more than democrats you are probably not paying attention because you let you're preconceived notions dictate what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.


Well it sure seems like you're a yes man for the Democrats. Contrary to your signature. Don't get all butt hurt either. I have read alot of your posts and you and I probably agree on more than we disagree. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Why would you have a problem with redistribution unless you are really that well off?


Well, applying your kind of logic, why would you be FOR redistribution if you weren't hoping to get some of that free stuff from other people's paychecks?

Two can play that game and I'm onto yours.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by Daedal

China is one of the largest countries with human right's abuses, not saying the U.S. is exempt. But surely the record shows what can happen to an unarmed population when they have no means to defend themselves against would be aggressors.

IMO the opinion of China doesn't carry much clout. Just have a look at Tibet where the Universal Declaration of Human Rights including the rights to self-determination, freedom of speech, assembly, movement, expression and travel are revoked or limited.





www.examiner.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
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definitely pot calling the kettle black there. Tibet is the perfect example. What a load of bullsh#
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I'm loving your username.

"I fart in your general direction!"

Oh my, the classics...



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
Why would you have a problem with redistribution unless you are really that well off?


Probably because it's a product of lazy atheists. Isn't that what you called them?


Why would you have a problem with universal healthcare unless you can afford to pay for out-of-bounds rising healthcare costs?


Again, Could it have something to do with it's origins coming from lazy atheists?


I honestly cannot comprehend people like you,


I can relate. You seem to be a walking contradiction yourself my friend. Listen, You Socialists had your chance. Your great experiment is an absolute failure. The very reason that everything is collapsing is because of international Socialist ideals like you support. The Unions, The hand outs, the butt wiping, the paying for health care of illegal aliens ect, ect, ect are just a few policies of your suicidal doctrine that is slowly destroying Nations. Oh yes, there are other reasons. However, Socialist ideals are a very large part of this sinking ship. ~$heopleNation



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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If it was truly free enterprise how would it be controlling govt? Crony Capitalism in bed with Big Govt is no good. I said I was for FREE enterprise, not fascism. Or you can call it State Capitalism if that makes you feel better. Either way, it's still a function of the same ideology. Big govt and big business big pharma and Totalitarianism.

Do you have visions of living on a collective farm in rural Soviet Union?


Collectivization in the Soviet Union was enforced under Stalin between 1928 and 1940. The goal of this policy was to consolidate individual land and labour into collective farms: mainly kolkhozes and sovkhozes. The Soviet leadership was confident that the replacement of individual peasant farms by collective ones would immediately increase the food supply for urban population, the supply of raw materials for processing industry, and agricultural exports. Collectivization was thus regarded as the solution to the crisis of agricultural distribution

en.wikipedia.org...


Don't worry, you wouldn't be the first. Some 60's hippies thought that too and experimented with communes.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Can I give you a thousand stars for your post??? Oh well, in cyber land you get my thousand stars.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by SheopleNation

Well it sure seems like you're a yes man for the Democrats. Contrary to your signature. Don't get all butt hurt either. I have read alot of your posts and you and I probably agree on more than we disagree. ~$heopleNation


Seriously doubt "you and I probably agree on more things than we disagree"

I love facism and you love capitalism. Big difference, no?

Only facism exposes the multinational corps and the bilderberger bankers. THAT is why hitler and mussolini lost the war. You keep living in your dellusional existance though and I will live in the real world. Too bad the american education system is a complete farce. It has already claimed lots and lots of victims!

You PRETEND to hate the status quo when in fact everything you preach is pro-elitism. How ironic is that?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:10 PM
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I look down upon both capitalism and communism.


The socialists were classically against communism, and why should you be any different? Fascism is just the combining of state policing of socialist programs. Stalin himself knew that there had to be a way of enforcing the communist system.
Russian communists classically knew and admitted that there would have to be a ruling politburo of elites to run things till the poor little common proletariat could finally get the swing of things.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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I will live in the real world.


Now exactly what real world is that? I asked if you wanted to live in a commune. You never answered me.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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What really scares TPTB in america and the government is real gun registration didn't start till 1968.
Many vets from WW I, WW II, Korea and Nam have a ton of unregistered gun , and have said they would never register them. Those weapons have been handed down to familys with a warning never to register them.
I've seen many fine old weapons in mint condition.
Any wonder why dischared vets are on the watch lists ?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Why would you have a problem with redistribution unless you are really that well off?


Well, applying your kind of logic, why would you be FOR redistribution if you weren't hoping to get some of that free stuff from other people's paychecks?

Two can play that game and I'm onto yours.


What free stuff? Are you kidding me? Are the "too big to fail" now people? What planet do you live on?

I never agreed to outsourcing or automation, but got shafted just the same. I expect tax money to be spent wisely. You must be unbelievably naive to for a moment to think "socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor" is anything other than state capitalism.

State capitalism IS capitalism. Wake the hell up! Mussolini talked about state capitalism when he said the corps merge with the government, but disinformation agents keep taking everything out of context to suit their evil agenda.



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