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My take on Masonry

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:19 PM
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I, also, have heard personal accounts such as yours. Despite what people on here say about Bill Cooper, he had as much love for this country as any other man out there and I dare anyone to prove otherwise.

His radio show will never be forgotten. From this interview, to the interview of key witnesses AT the OKC bombing trial. He even had a reporter who was at the "execution" of McVeigh call in for an interview.

In June of 2001 Cooper warned of an imminent attack on freedom worldwide that would be blamed on Osama bin Laden. On 9/11 Cooper fired up the gear and produced a commercial free 9 hour broadcast which includes live feeds from all the major TV networks so you can REALLY see the different stories and inconsistencies that were being reported.

Two months later, on November 5, 2001 Cooper was gunned down in front of his wife and children by authorities. A FOIA request for the records of the investigation that he was the center of revealed that the Nov 5 raid had been rescheduled once before. The original date set forth to arrest and detain William Cooper under charges of income tax evasion was september 11, 2001.




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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I have never known a brother to break the law, but if a brother broke the law, and also did something immoral, then I would certainly turn him over to law enforcement, no doubt about it. Now, for me personally, I don't always agree with every law, and if someone technically broke a law, but didn't do anything immoral, I would NOT turn them over to law enforcement, but that has nothing to do with Masonry, that is just me.

I don't see FM as a shadow government, but I draw a lot of parallels between Masonry and just about every other organization. Legislatures, Courtrooms, Corporate Board Rooms, and Toastmasters all conduct their meetings in ways similar to Masonry. I don't believe that was intentional by Masons, or by the emulators, I think it was just an effective method for running a meeting that bled over into regular life.

I will admit that I think some governments are afraid of Masons (Iran), because we are organized in a manner that would be very effective if SHTF and someone had to step up and bring some order. We NEVER discuss any such thing, and I we never prepare for any such thing, it is just a convenient structure that could be called into play under the right circumstances. I think that is a good thing. If SHTF and governments collapse, why not let a group of morally upright, honest men, with a successful history step in and quell some of the chaos until other arrangements are made?



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by protocolsoflove
reply to post by EnochWasRight
 



I, also, have heard personal accounts such as yours. Despite what people on here say about Bill Cooper, he had as much love for this country as any other man out there and I dare anyone to prove otherwise.

His radio show will never be forgotten. From this interview, to the interview of key witnesses AT the OKC bombing trial. He even had a reporter who was at the "execution" of McVeigh call in for an interview.

In June of 2001 Cooper warned of an imminent attack on freedom worldwide that would be blamed on Osama bin Laden. On 9/11 Cooper fired up the gear and produced a commercial free 9 hour broadcast which includes live feeds from all the major TV networks so you can REALLY see the different stories and inconsistencies that were being reported.

Two months later, on November 5, 2001 Cooper was gunned down in front of his wife and children by authorities. A FOIA request for the records of the investigation that he was the center of revealed that the Nov 5 raid had been rescheduled once before. The original date set forth to arrest and detain William Cooper under charges of income tax evasion was september 11, 2001.


The police state is created and run by the Masons. Their urine stains are all over the symbols left behind. We can follow the symbols back to the original builder and bringer of illumination to man. Our choice is still the same as it was in the Garden. We are to choose God first.

Enoch on the Builders

12 Woe to you who make deceitful and false measures,
And (to them) who cause bitterness on the earth;
For they shall thereby be utterly consumed.
13 Woe to you who build your houses through the grievous toil of others,
And all their building materials are the bricks and stones of sin;
I tell you ye shall have no peace.

1 Peter 2

The Living Stone and a Chosen People

4 As you come to him, the living Stone —rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— 5 you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:

“See, I lay a stone in Zion,
a chosen and precious cornerstone,
and the one who trusts in him
will never be put to shame.”

7 Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe,

“The stone the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone,”

8 and,

“A stone that causes people to stumble
and a rock that makes them fall.”

They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 08:57 PM
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Damn Dude, is there anything we are not responsible for?

I feel so dirty.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by network dude
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Damn Dude, is there anything we are not responsible for?

I feel so dirty.


You are only responsible for the deeds you commit. There is no difference between your walk to find the light and the walk of anyone else on this earth. The problem here is not with you. The problem is with the associations you make with the world. We are all in this sinking ship together. There are some really evil people in high places that have family traditions of retaining power and control over their sphere of influence. In this day of networking and connectivity, we have the chance to reach back in time and feel our way around for the source of where these families gained their power.

Why would a person willingly swear oaths to an organization that traces it's traditions from a well identified source that is evil? There is no question here on the source. It reaches back to Genesis 3 and the promise to be like God if we simply do what thou wilt. Essentially, the deception was to break the simple and reasonable law of God. So, what's the difference with Christianity? Didn't Rome do the same thing with the emergence of Christ's teachings?

Yes. They claimed the same works doctrine. They claimed that the High Priest was the person to purchase the indulgence to gain eternal life. They offered ritual magic, idol worship and a man in the middle. If only you work hard enough, you'll get to heaven by your own merits. You can rise to the capstone and be a God.

What did Christ intend? First, he condemned the pagan mysteries as idol worship and the doctrines of demons. He condemned the Builders and we cannot argue that he was speaking of another group of builders. We trace this back to our history as we reach to the root of what was said. He condemned the moneychangers, who were directly connected, again, to the Experts who manipulated the Law. These were the Temple Priests of Jerusalem. On the list so far, we have Egypt Pagans and Israel's Priests who took what God intended and made his intention into a den of thieves. Priests, builders and moneychangers. Why did he call the Pagans builders? Egypt. We know the answer.

What is the difference? God calls us out of Egypt. That's obvious when looking at the story of Moses. He calls us to be set apart from the world, especially those who corrupt His law of giving rather than taking; loving rather than hating; making peace rather than making war.

How can I verify this? Take a look around you and see the world as it is. Who do we connect the simple list above with when we examine our history?

Bottom Line

This is not about what we do. That would be pride and boasting. It's about what's been done for us. When we realize what God did for us, our own selfish pride is removed by shame. What can we do to return what he has already done for us? What can our efforts possibly accomplish?

Listen carefully to Ephesians 2: AUDIO

What can a Mason do to escape from the Synagogue of Satan? Get out of Egypt and be Free. Repent and bear fruit because of your faith. Trust God to get to the gate with the Shepherd and not with men.

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

Christ is the cornerstone of the temple he builds. It has nothing to do with what we think we build by our own efforts. We rise to new life with Christ in the Water.


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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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You are only responsible for the deeds you commit. There is no difference between your walk to find the light and the walk of anyone else on this earth. The problem here is not with you. The problem is with the associations you make with the world.
Amen to that brother....

"Birds of a feather, flock together", and we know all masons are not great people. The evil ones will spoil your barrel, but you will take the rap.

Lets see, George Bush was in a "Satanic" fraternity, skull & bones. Yet he rubs elbows with who? Do these Masons know George is a Satanist? Do they care?



The Satanist don't care who takes the rap, Christian or Mason, matters not.


george w bush thomas s monson freemason patriarchal grip handshake

President George W. Bush greets Thomas Monson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints at the church’s headquarters Thursday, May 29, 2008, in Salt Lake City. Also pictured at right is Henry Eyring, First Counsel in the Counsel of Twelve. White House photo by Eric Draper




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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You are mistaken, being a member of any college Fraternity doesn't give you access to or authority over Freemasons. Also, LDS people don't share their Temple secrets with non LDS people.

It should go without saying, that none of these societies are "Satanic".
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by no1smootha
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You are mistaken, being a member of any college Fraternity doesn't give you access to or authority over Freemasons. Also, LDS people don't share their Temple secrets with non LDS people.

It should go without saying, that none of these societies are "Satanic".
edit on 30-5-2012 by no1smootha because: (no reason given)
That was not my intention. I only showed the associations. And it isn't "Any" fraternity, it is a Satanic fraternity.


When Saddam Hussein talked of 'the devil Bush' he may not have been so far from the truth. U.S. president George W. Bush, his father and grandfather are proven initiates of this multi-generational occult lodge. George W. was tapped (initiated) in 1968 at the group's Yale University HQ, a mausoleum known as 'the tomb'. When undergraduates broke in they found that the 'holy of holies' inner sanctum has red velvet walls and carpet, with a large pentagram emblazoned on the wall.
www.bilderberg.org...


Next your going to tell me a pentagram is a christian symbol?

It should go without saying, that none of these societies are "Satanic".
And why is that???



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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The pentacle has already been discussed, refer to that discussion if you will.

They are not Satanic because they don't as a Fraternity or religion give worship to Satan.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Okay, I've tried to listen twice, but I've fallen asleep...dead honest.

Citizens Agency for Join Intelligence? I looked them up and from the looks of it, they are against personal freedoms. They seem like an overly intrusive bunch.

Infiltrated? Undercover? They sound like a deceitful bunch and from all I can gather from their motives, liars, as they joined with ulterior motives and lied to gain entry. How can you take the word of such a man?

William Cooper and "William Morgan" really makes themselves sound arrogant and self-important. I love how the guy says we cannot prove we are involved in charity work when that is easily proven. So there is one major strike against this "Mason".

Around 7:00 he says he has taken over 2 dozen oaths before becoming a Master Mason...WHAT?! Strike two!

A little after 8:00, "William" says that anyone who hasn't left the Blue Lodge knows nothing. What an arrogant asshole. He can't speak for every Master Mason ever (alive or dead), and say they know nothing. Around 10:00 they make a bold statement that says that the Lodge officers are paid and get a retirement. Now maybe his Lodge does, but my Lodge only pays the Master, Secretary, and Treasurer, but none get a retirement. He speaks in absolutes as if his experience is applicable to Masonry worldwide. That is nonsense. He doesn't sound like he actually has too much experience in Masonry.

Nor is the Secretary and Treasurer "unaccountable". They are accountable and in my jurisdiction they must be elected. Maybe this guy's Lodge was ran that way, I doubt it.

This guy acts like 32 degree makes him an expert. Degree doesn't equal rank or knowledge.

Blah blah blah...The usual lies about Albert Pike (KKK and Mazzini hoax). Blah blah blah

This guy is a disgrace to the Craft and has put nothing out that is remotely true. It's quite sad that non- and anti-Masons hear this and will accept it because they know not otherwise or wish to be deceived out of their own ignorance and bigotry.

I do love how after they came back from the 1st break he tries to make it sound like going from EA to 32nd in 2-years is some giant ordeal. For those that are aware of the requirements, one realizes that once you're a MM it takes a weekend and you've got your 32nd.

At 25:00, no Jim Shaw was never a 33rd, he made that up. He was a Scottish Rite Mason, but he never received that distinction. I believe Brothers Morris and De Hoyos debunked that little lie.

Blah blah blah...Luciferian lie chatter...blah blah blah

Blah blah blah...Lies about supposed Masonic apotheosis promises that don't exist...blah blah blah

Okay, I couldn't get past 30-minutes as my crap meter is completely busted and I couldn't take much more of that pompous "Mason".



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 01:28 AM
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Nice! Haha. After a while I start to like your style of ripping things apart that are untrue. I find it highly possible that this guy probably did actually deceive the lodge in that he had all the "taxil hoax" stuff worked up and had a predisposed idea as to what it was. When he became a member he probably did nothing but look for bad examples and out of context quotes. It's like looking for a shape in the clouds.

The part that makes me sad is that these people have so much in common with masons in that at the end of the day they just want a better world for everyone. While Obama literally checks off his assassination list (just came out in the news) people are still engaged in this hundreds of years old "he said she said" or what is or isn't masonry.



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 05:33 AM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
Next your going to tell me a pentagram is a christian symbol?


I surely won't.

But these folks might.

Early Christians attributed the pentagram to the Five Wounds of Christ and from then until medieval times, it was a lesser-used Christian symbol. Prior to the time of the Inquisition, there were no 'evil' associations to the pentagram. Rather it was a form that implied Truth, religious mysticism and the work of The Creator. The Emperor Constantine I, used the pentagram, together with the chi-rho symbol (a symbolic form of the cross) in his seal and amulet. However, it was the cross (a symbol of suffering) rather than the pentagram (a symbol of truth) that was used as a symbol by the Church. The early Christian Church subsequently came to power and assumed supreme power over the Roman Empire, using a forged document - 'The Donation of Constantine'. The annual church feast of Epiphany, celebrating the visit of the three Magi to the infant Jesus as well as the Church's mission to bring 'truth' to the Gentiles had as it's symbol the pentagram. Over time the Church drooped the circle and altered the pentagram to a simple five-pointed star, presumably in reaction to the neo-pagan use of the pentagram with the circle intact.



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
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Lets see, George Bush was in a "Satanic" fraternity, skull & bones. Yet he rubs elbows with who? Do these Masons know George is a Satanist? Do they care?




Actually, George W. Bush is a Methodist, not a satanist.

Which leads us to the obvious conclusion: the Methodists are plotting to take over the world.



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 08:45 AM
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Oh I know they would not hold me against my will (at least I think they wont LOL). Maybe down the road when I am needed less in my home and find myself bored and needed in my community I will re-consider. But currently I don't need a brotherhood tax (no offense).



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by abeverage
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Oh I know they would not hold me against my will (at least I think they wont LOL). Maybe down the road when I am needed less in my home and find myself bored and needed in my community I will re-consider. But currently I don't need a brotherhood tax (no offense).




No rush, whenever you are ready. The "tax" is quite low though. For my Lodge it is $115 for the 3 degrees, background check, and first year's dues. After that it is $60 per year.

The meals are usually a voluntary $5 contribution just to reimburse the brother for supplies, and nobody is making sure you pay, just pay if you can. If the cook comes up a little short, he either doesn't mention it, or a brother with more resources will chip in the extra. If he comes up with a little extra, it is donated to charity. During my year as cook, I got a pizza place to donate all of our meals, the brothers got tired of pizza, but we raised about $1000 for charity that way!



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 09:10 AM
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Well said.


Originally posted by Masonic Light
Actually, George W. Bush is a Methodist, not a satanist.

Methodists, Satanists, same thing...wait...all of my dad's family is Methodist...damn it!



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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I thought it was more like $60 a month lol.



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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Interesting.. I never associated Cooper's death and the timing of it.

Creepy



posted on May, 31 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by abeverage


I thought it was more like $60 a month lol.


My Lodge charges $55 per year.

Keep in mind that Masonry is a non-profit fraternal organization. It only charges membership dues to the point that it can pay its bills.
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posted on May, 31 2012 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by JBpage76

As the years pasted and my understanding of Masonry became more familiar, I too asked, took my place in the center of the lodge and was made a Mason. A decision that I have never since questioned or regretted. I can honestly say that people that I now call brothers have been among the most honorable men I have met to date. And if there were a super secret upper hierarchy of upper level Masons that for some reason 32nd degree and down were not privy to, they would have had to come from pool of people to my left and my right. That alone is comfort enough for me. I have been mentored by a 33 degree Mason and have been mentored by numerous 32nd degree Masons, and have never once seen any shred of anything but nobility.

Hi op, i personally believe that alot of freemasons don't have the slightest clue what they are part of, but so far i have met a man who's uncle is a freemason and i've also met a young man who's father is a freemason, and believe me, they vehemently insist that nearly everything i've heard is true, and there is more that they didn't even want to go into as they are fed up of people mocking them, yet they have seen it first hand. i hope you don't think i'm disrespecting you in any way as this is not my intention, i'm just pointing out what those who have seen it for themselves would contradict the message you are trying to put out. thank you




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