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Why your jobs are gone and why it will never come back!

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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In one single word its automation. Job automation is the process in which jobs are transferred from humans to machines.

Since computers have come into existence and more machines have been build, jobs which have been previously done by humans have been transferred to machines and robots. Computer technology has come a long way. And we can expect it to increase significantly to a point where all and any work can be done by machines.

These machines do not need any wages, no vacations, no medical or maternity leaves.They can work 24/7, and make products with super precision and accuracy. This will allow a company to sell high quality low cost products.

Now why would an employer employ humans when such machines exists. Even if he does not want to at first, a competitor will sooner or later start employing robots, and he has to adapt to technology lest he gets kicked out of business. And as machines get smarter and more dextrous we will see them replacing every single job available.

Even jobs moved out to India or China will sooner or later end up being replaced by robots. The end result is the same. No jobs, and in the future, no jobs anywhere.

There is a free to read PDF book or around 200 pages, I would highly recommend. It delves into details of job automation and socialist utopian future that lies after the turmoil, when we have super abundance of goods and services due to machines and no need of money or work.

LINK




posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:59 PM
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Back in the 80s I read an article about a Japanese manufacturing plant that was state of the art at the time. The entire production floor ran in pitch black. No need for lighting as it was 100% automated. I knew then that eventually the vast majority of manufacturing jobs would eventually be totally go that way if automation could be utilized in the process.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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Technology is a double edged sword, as all knowledge tends to be. Is it not possible or probable that beyond the horizon of the world you envision in your OP is a world completely changed by technology in all aspects of our lives?

Since a robot is simply an expedient, and if factory robots are inevitable, then so are robots accomplish all the labor and manufacturing needs of an individual. In that case a "job" as we know them today become pointless. Money, for the most part, would become pointless as well. It's definitely a brave new world ahead.
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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:15 PM
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And I believe that's a way forward for us as human beings. Yes the intermediate stage is very painful, as there are no jobs, no money, poverty and starvation. All the goods and services in all it's abundance will stay at the warehouse with no one having the money to buy them. At this point the business owners will start loosing profits and eventually losses. And then it will be too late to hire humans again. At this point comes in socialism, where everything you can imagine is free of cost, and the need for labour and work is gone.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Originally posted by METACOMET
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Technology is a double edged sword, as all knowledge tends to be. Is it not possible or probable that beyond the horizon of the world you envision in your OP is a world completely changed by technology in all aspects of our lives?

Since robots are simply an expedient, and if factory robots are inevitable, then so are robots accomplish all the labor and manufacturing needs of an individual. In that case a "job" as we know them today become pointless. Money, for the most part, would become pointless as well. It's definitely a brave new world ahead.


The process has already begun, many many jobs have been lost to robots. And this is a blessing in disguise. After the suffering will come paradise. And frankly nothing can stop it now, the process has already begun. We do not need socialist revolutionaries to bring in socialism. Capitalism is dying.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Yous seem confident that mankind will achieve a utopian outcome as a result of this Pandora's box we opened.

Might you elaborate on why you think this is so?



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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It will eventually go something like this IMO.

A plant in the not too distant future will employ NANO-Tech. Building items up atom by atom. Creating near perfect products. Imagine a perfect piece of glass or metal? ZERO defects. No point having any structural flaws. This flys in the face of our supposedly modern world where planned obsolescence plays a very profitable role...



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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I must say that I agree with you.

Although I actually build robots for a living, and I am having difficulty finding a job. When I was younger I thought it would be the sneaky career choice to avoid this mess, but then I discovered that there are machines that can build other machines. So yeah, that really messed up my plans haha, damn silly career choice of mine.


Thanks for the link to the PDF, got some reading to do tonight



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:26 PM
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I hope you are right, but I don't think you are. If there was robots to replace everyone, then the rich would no longer have a use for most of us. They would kill off most of us, just keep enough of us around to keep the machines up and running. Or worse yet, learn to service their machines themselves, and get rid of us all.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
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It will eventually go something like this IMO.

A plant in the not too distant future will employ NANO-Tech. Building items up atom by atom. Creating near perfect products. Imagine a perfect piece of glass or metal? ZERO defects. No point having any structural flaws. This flys in the face of our supposedly modern world where planned obsolescence plays a very profitable role...


If the magic of nano-tech is realized, then forget factories employing nanotech to sell us cheap goods. In a nanotech world there is nothing to stop you or I from creating our own spaceships, our own planets and our own universes and our own realities.

But there are many roads mankind may take and nobody knows what is due us in regards to our relationship with technology. You bring up planned obsolescence. Maybe it's us that will become obsolete.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by METACOMET
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Yous seem confident that mankind will achieve a utopian outcome as a result of this Pandora's box we opened.

Might you elaborate on why you think this is so?


Yes of course. Imagine 75% unemployment due to automation. Now 75% of the population has no job, no income. Thus no food, or other basic necessities. They won't be paying taxes either, thus social welfare will collapse. As a result many people will die. At this point, I am sure they will not die silently, crime will increase, safety will decrease. At this point the government must have to do something. Hiring back humans is not an option, as majority of companies are bankrupt and gone out of business. Only other option is nationalize all industries. As no tax has been collected governments cannot pay the workers as well, and GDP is non existent. So naturally a socialist system will come into existence with automated factories churning out all goods imaginable and these good will be freely distributed.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by asen_y2k
 


I hope you are right, but I don't think you are. If there was robots to replace everyone, then the rich would no longer have a use for most of us. They would kill off most of us, just keep enough of us around to keep the machines up and running. Or worse yet, learn to service their machines themselves, and get rid of us all.


Well in the process the rich will loose wealth as well. As people with no jobs will not be able to buy their products they too will go bankrupt and once oil dries up, oil tycoons will be gone as well.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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Just imagine what would happen if and when we hit technological singularity. When robotics and A.I will be equal or greater than humans. What they intern will invent and make will eventually be incomprehensible to us.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by asen_y2k
So naturally a socialist system will come into existence


Naturally, of course. Love of power and the tyrants that serve it will simply vanish in this new technological word we find ourselves in.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by asen_y2k
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Just imagine what would happen if and when we hit technological singularity. When robotics and A.I will be equal or greater than humans. What they intern will invent and make will eventually be incomprehensible to us.


Trans-humanism is a probable outcome. Just thinking about all this makes my head spin. May you live in interesting times indeed.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Most of the tyrants, lobbyists, the rich will be gone by then as businesses have dried up and gone bankrupt. And the rulers of a nation will be face to face with a huge population of hungry and angry people.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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The rich may lose some value, due to money, but the other assets they hold, such as houses and land they own will be their wealth. These people don't have mortgages over their heads, they own it outright. Also they would own the robots of course.



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:50 PM
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When robots and AI becomes equal to us, we are screwed. They will likely see us as parasites on the earth, plundering the planet thoughtlessly and exterminate us



posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:51 PM
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But you see land will have no value and currency will collapse and hyperinflation will prevail. Once the whole capitalist system collapses money will have no value.
Things that will have value are basic food and necessities. For which most of the people will not be able to pay for. Then the looting starts. The army and police will not get their salary, now who will they help out.
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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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Land and food will always have value. Without land, you have nowhere to live, nowhere to grow food or raise livestock. Land and food are all we really need to survive, I think those will always have great value, even if it is not measured by currency or gold or whatever.



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