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Secular Researchers' Findings that UFO Activity is Not Extraterrestrial in Origin

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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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And by the way, many people have now been able to trace UFOs with infrared cameras, that they couldn't see unless some form of heightened awareness would have made that possible for them.




posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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I have some questions at hand? I've had some experiences over the years I've taken notice of and was looking for some answers, if any are available? First, I would like to note that i agree with probably 70-80% of your comments on this topic. There definitely is something here with us all... There was one occasion where it gave itself away once when a friend was present near me... It was back in 97-98 or so. I was watching tv with a friend at our house and we got done watching tv and I was heading to my room and he was heading to his room, but I felt something right behind me, my hair was standing up and it whispered something really evil into my ear as if to get me in a fight with my friend, Me knowing that my friend was also heading to bed, i yelled"What?" out loud to see where he was and he yelled back from in front of his bedroom door,"What?", proving to me that he wasn't the thing that was right behind me trying to cause a confrontation between us two. After he yelled back I asked him,"Did you hear the same weird # that I heard?" and he said,"YES!".
But then there have been occasions when something told me a few years ago that there wouldn't be a sunspot on the sun for a few years, then reading an article on line a bit ago i ran across this:
www.astrophysicsspectator.com...
science.nasa.gov...
Strange how something actually came into my mind to tell me this would be happening?...So it makes me wonder, since i have a gift of premonition, then imagine the gift of pre-montion higher intelligent beings would have working as a whole to get the desired outcome they are looking for on a planet that they probably helped create! The plot thickens. For some reason all this stuff going makes sense to me. Don't let them tighten a noose around our necks, because it seems like something sure as hell has been trying to for years. If the world only knew the true mental battle that is going on here for everyone whether they know it or not or already gave in to it.
Something is always talking to us, whether it is other lives of our minds connected in other dimensions having a superconductivity communion through mind waves or Quantum string theory, it's something profound and awesome in its perfect timing even though some of the things i've used it for has proven that time is also irrelevant whilst using these powers. You see, when I was growing up my parents divorced and I had no real father and the one step-one i did caused me to lose respect for him at too young of an age of 5 or 6, leaving me only one option, to look up to a higher being or entity for a father figure. I think that after giving it this respect, just that one thing has brought much enlightenment and open-mindedness into my life. I think by knowing this it brings more light onto the theories that implicate and explicate order exists and this also relates to the double slit electron theory of observation.
Got tons to talk about to you all, I grew up on many airbases around the country including Nellis AFB where i got to shake the V.P. George H. Bush Seniors hand while he asked me," if I knew why I was there?"back i n the 80's, Seen many aircraft and can name many, all up until I saw my first UFO that cloaked itself back in the mid 2000's...So looking forward to hearing from you.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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Added to that, it's probably the people with heightened awareness that can see UFOs and alien beings, whereby others without such capabilities would not. It's logical that alien beings would cloak themselves from human beings until they were sure that we aren't hostile and that they would only approach people that they considered open for the experience.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:36 AM
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They are prolly hyper dimensional craft and beings and their intersection with
our 3 dimensions give them a weird look.
In 1989 , in eastern germany I did see in broad daylight, a Fighter Jet with its wings swept forward and most people
will mistake them as triangular flying machines



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:37 AM
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It's a shame there isn't a way to tell the made-up stories from the real stories and go even further and look for other possibilities besides just what the witness reports. If we really believe something, our memory has a way to make it seem even more real for us regardless of what happened or didn't happen.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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So far: 35 Christians approve of this thread.





posted on May, 30 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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reply to post by RevelationGeneration
 

*shakes his head*

I was like you one time. So lost in religious faith, like a rain cloud that follows you everywhere you go. Your thinking is so distorted that you'll never make sense of anything so long as it continues.

Your life is fear-based. You think it's love-based. I don't know if you'll ever know the difference.

Aliens aren't demons and Jesus is not the son of God. How do I say this in a way that will not make me seem to be a sinner to you? Nothing I say can convince you because you think I am blinded by the devil. I know that replying to you is not helping anybody. Why am I doing this.

The problem with religion and spirituality is that they cannot be tested and disproven. They're immune to scientific inquiry. They're impenetrable. This is precisely why they're so dangerous.

If a man wields a sword, he's dangerous. But if he also wields FAITH, he's much harder to put down. It's easy to disable a man without faith if you can break through his logic and disprove it.

But you can't disprove FAITH. There's no negotiating with a dangerous man who has FAITH, not if he's on a crusade and you can't use his own beliefs to your advantage.

This isn't about science vs religion. This is about sanity vs insanity.

I respect people of all faiths. I have family members that're still deeply caught up in christianity, for example. I feel sad for them, but at the same time, sometimes I wish they were right. This reality sometimes gets me down because it can be very immense and hard to understand. Sometimes I despair. The idea that some people do not experience this despair makes me wish it were true. I want to let them be that way. But I know that I should stand up for sanity and not insanity, all the same. But I do it intelligently, not carlessly. I try to inform the world in different ways and in different places, but I do not hate religion or hate someone because they believe in a god or something. I just do what I can and hope that somebody can hear me. Maybe these're not just wasted words.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 12:06 PM
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So let see i am an ET i go to a planet where people lives in caves and I show them a tablet pc and show them images of thieir world, then i take a picture of them with the 3 megapixel camera and show them on the table, what do you think that cave people will think about me? ....

This treath is just a waste of time, ET are not demonic in nature, ET are the care takers of planets like earth type, yes there are many billions of planets such like earth living same situations like us, some more advance others way behind us and ET's are the ones who take care of the place, they bring new spieces to this world and take others out, they bring technology (like roswell crash) to gives us some boost and some ets bring pain and conflict because souls ask for this , because souls here on planets like earth live in a duality good and evil , and they bring what the souls wants because thats the lesson on planets like earth above earth the lessons are different there is no good or evil choosing.

Ets travel on ships but only locally, they use it inside solar systems, when they want to travel great distances to another part of the galaxy they dont use SHIPS or UFO's they just get out of their body (yes people ETs can create bodies, organic for their daily work on planets like earth) and travel instantly to the place they need to be and on soul level nothing applies, you can travel infinite times more faster than light speed, cross a black hole or tru a sun and nothing will destroy a soul, thats why it is said that its eternal. Greys on the other part has you know it are androids, organic androids who work for the real ET's who always stays behind them, they do the dirty work on humans and around the planet, both good ets and not so good ets use them, even really deep black ops on earth use them, thats why they are call EBE's, thats a term the military give to them when they first knew about them on the roswell crash. EBe's sound more like a robot than actuall soul being and that's why they give them that name to greys.

Yes there are souls out there and bad beigns but this type of polteirgest has you know it are allow i that pesone have some dealings with them, polteirgest dont pass just because they want to interact or do stuff, the peson do something to trigger that and sometimes your guides with let it pass because you need to be teach a lesson even that it sounds that its demonic in nature.

So lets assume then than ET's are demonic , they would already conquest earth with the power they have, why they have not do that?? it would be so easy, they dont do that because that's not their nature and its something irrelevant to them, planets like earths have this duality because we are in the lower chain of creation of the souls. Ets are a level above us and there are many beigns above the ET who controll galaxies all together that are above them, and there is infinite levels above and below of us.

Dont worry my friend if you want to believe that Et's are demonic so bee it, its not wrong to believe that, that only means you are not ready to deal with stuff information like this and every human have his own level of understading.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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Yes... Fallen angel is another word. But its clear to all who have those eyes open, that whatever you want to call these things, they are not flesh and blood biological extraterrestrials. This is obvious to most who have studied the subject.
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You are just pushing fear of the unknown. Why should we fear the unknown when it is the human ego and duality views that is the problem? You want to use this fear to get us to become Christians share your views and be caught up in your fear and duality. Thank you for trying to save us but many of the people here do not need any saving at all, because they already have understood things in their own way. I am very happy with my choices and will never go back to total ego dualistic smallminded thinking. I do not fear anything but being smallminded and ignorant. And I especially do not fear god at all and he/she/it is also a bit unknown to me.

From my point of view fallen angels fall for a reason and they choose to fall. Bless their spirits for their sacrifice.

Let the will of the devine whole with the highest ideals be done. Lets the evolution of souls continue until the smallminded ones have understood. Now and forever until all souls are home.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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Originally posted by Hydroman
Since they were apparently created before man, why would they be given shape shifting powers to serve him? What would they shape shift in to to serve him, before man was created?


That is something you will have to ask God your self, I do not know the answer to why God gave angels certain specific powers. But they can shape shift, and their is scripture that backs this.


Originally posted by Hydroman
Why are they waiting for the tribulation period to "cause havoc". Why not destroy us RIGHT NOW? Is that all they are going to do is "cause havoc"? Well, man causes havoc to themselves every single day. That doesn't sound like anything special. Why don't they simply destroy us? Just wipe us out? They have such strange battle plans. "Hey you guys, let's go cause some havoc on earth..." Woopity do.


They are destroying us right now, but try to remember they are spiritual beings, so don't expect war in a phsyicall sense, although I'm sure they are behind alot of modern wars telling our leaders what to do.

It is said that only about 1 in 40 is going to Heaven. (50 in 2000) That's about 2.5% (saints, true Christians) going to heaven, and 97.5% going somewhere else (Hell).


As long as I am going somewhere else but a place where people are dualistic viewsets with a lot of ego then I will be happy. Even a bad enviroment can become heavenlike with hard work if you have the right people with you and you feel connected with your fellow man.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Great stuff, I think you got most of it on the head. But in my short span of time here I can tell you that most don't want to hear the truth... even though it's salient and has reason. And yes it's true - if there were demonic entities flying around in ships effing with the earth population I'm certain they would have already taken over.

Also, what's with all the positive messages the aliens give like warnings of environmental collapse, the urging of cleaning up the planet and healing illnesses in the body - these themes are VERY common in the abduction literature out there. How in the world could that ever be demonic? No one has had a solid, reasonable answer to this.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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Not the case at all. This is just more of your personal tripe Auto. You do have a choice but you have chosen hell.

Again with the threats of an imagined place. When are you people going to learn?
The Hebrew word used by Christians for "hell" is Gehenna.

Gehenna (Greek γέεννα), Gehinnom (Rabbinical Hebrew: גהנום/גהנם) and Yiddish Gehinnam, are terms derived from a place outside ancient Jerusalem known in the Hebrew Bible as the Valley of the Son of Hinnom (Hebrew: גֵיא בֶן־הִנֹּם or גיא בן-הינום); one of the two principal valleys surrounding the Old City.

In the Hebrew Bible, the site was initially where apostate Israelites and followers of various Ba'als and Caananite gods, including Moloch, sacrificed their children by fire (2 Chr. 28:3, 33:6; Jer. 7:31, 19:2-6).

In Jewish, Christian and Islamic scripture, Gehenna is a destination of the wicked.[1] This is different from the more neutral Sheol/Hades, the abode of the dead, though the King James version of the Bible translates both with the Anglo-Saxon word Hell.
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Valley of Hinnom, c. 1900

Geography

The exact location of the Valley of Hinnom is disputed. Older commentaries give the location as below the southern wall of ancient Jerusalem, stretching from the foot of Mount Zion eastward past the Tyropoeon to the Kidron Valley. However the Tyropoeon Valley is usually no longer associated with the Valley of Hinnom because during the period of Ahaz and Manasseh, the Tyropoeon lay within the city walls and child sacrifice would have been practiced outside the walls of the city. Smith (1907), Dalman (1930), Bailey (1986) and Watson (1992) identify the Wadi er-Rababi, which fits the data of Joshua that Hinnom ran East to West and lay outside the city walls. According to Joshua, the valley began in En-rogel. If the modern Bir Ayyub is En-rogel then the Wadi er-Rababi which begins there is Hinnom.
en.wikipedia.org...

So tell me, why would ANYONE be scared of going here? The Christian concept of Hell is for the ignorant who are so afraid they need a being much bigger than they telling them what to do, through a medium, prophet, or preacher. Christians have been trying to scare me for 50 years, friend, so join the club. It ain't happening.

What I said stands. It makes no intelligent logical sense at all, and if you can find a shred of common sense in it, be my guest.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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I do not believe the Universe is that old, so I do not believe in ultra-technological advanced civilisations indwelling other star systems.

All the evidence suggests that these alien beings are in fact inter-dimensional, thus not needing nuts and bolt spacecraft. They can simply open a portal and appear/disappear at will. This is how they are able to bend the standard laws of physics. If they are coming from a different dimension (spiritual realm) it would seem they do not need to travel vast distances across the universe. The reason I believe they are all malevolent is because they seem to have an anti-biblical agenda, and good angels would not appear in an alien form.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by OrionHunterX
considering that the Universe is = - 15 billion years old.


First you need to prove that, all the evidence suggests the opposite, that in fact the universe is young, under 10,000 years old to be precise. Abiogenesis & Evolution are still unproven theory's created by man. You need to start thinking out side the box, when you purely think in a carnal way you will never overcome your ignorance. Think in terms of aliens being spiritual entity's that inter dimensional beings that can open portals and appear/disappear at will, and stop thinking about starwars spaceships. Interstellar travel is not possible! And no human has even been outside the Van Allen Belt. It would seem we were simply not meant to travel the stars. God wants us to focus on him, not space exploration looking for "something else"... When you do that you open your self up to all sorts of deception.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Well I am glad you are able to see the agenda being played out by these beings which exposed in my original post. I hope you do more research into the claims made by Christianity and I am confident if you are generally searching for truth you will find it. John 8:32 and you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

I also have more threads about this subject in my profile that you can read, I offer more evidence there for these beings are fallen angels.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Well atleast you admit they are Demonic/Dimensional beings...



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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You need to start thinking out side the box,


Coming from the guy thinking inside a book written over a thousand years ago?


Interstellar travel is not possible!


Tell that to Neil Armstrong.


God wants us to focus on him, not space exploration looking for "something else"...


Oh gee, as I was saying...

And this god wants us to stay on earth and focus all of our undivided attention on him instead of exploring the universe he supposedly created?

Sounds like a spoiled child.


When you do that you open your self up to all sorts of deception.


So when we explore, we should expect deception? A wonderful deduction, coming from a member of a species that has mastered the art of deception. Not every species is as despicable as we are.

Deliberately withholding yourself because you have convinced yourself that praying to an invisible deity for safety and security sounds a lot worse than cutting myself while exploring a coral reef.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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What parts did you disagree with and why? I wasn't pulling any cards, just trying to expose this deception for what it is.
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posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:19 PM
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Do you really expect a book that has not been updated in over a thousand years to know anything about truth in the modern world?

These are people whose truth stated, quite adamantly, that the earth was flat. In fact, the Vatican placed Galileo on house arrest for daring to contradict their official scientific stance on the Earth being the center of the universe.



posted on May, 30 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Yes they will say anything to further their agenda even if what they say seems "friendly"... The further the person continues to fall for the deception, the more brainwashed they get and they end up accepting some twisted "new age" version of reality, which has strong undertones of a anti-christ agenda.




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